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Bigbadwooof
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Pastywhyte
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Pins showing in all tubs now. Should have a pinset in a few days.
Coir on the left, manure on the right
Clone A

Clone B

Clone C

Loads of knots coming in. Pins look healthy and so far all are Lucy. Thinkin I'm gonna ramp up the FAE a bit on Sunday once most of em are in.
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lukehighwalker710
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well right on, right on
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ralph larun
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I'm not pasty but to me the poo tubs looks like the myc is brighter. He's the enperson so he'll let us know. But the cois tubs seem to be coloinizing the same rate the poo tubs just look stronger might be my eys bit they look whiter.
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Supalemonhaze
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Bigbadwooof said: I am kind of surprised so many people still use poo. I would only use it for pans. I guess I just don't like the idea of asking farmers for aged poo either. Coir is the shit! I even grow Marijuana in it!
Poo is the actual shit though. Seriously, my shrooms are growing taller, thicker and denser with a poo and straw mix. I like coir for it's ease but it's super expensive round here.
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spacechildo
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have you tried a coir+straw tub vs a pure manure tub?
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Supalemonhaze
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Naw, coir is expensive. Adding straw to coir is taking away it's ease of prep advantage. There is no reason why you shouldn't use poo instead since you're still gonna have to pasteurize it. I'm guessing the straw does help but poo still has more varied nutrients in it than coir. I say that straw is only half the story.
Blindingleaf experienced the same as me when he used poo in his grows.
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spacechildo
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but how do you know it was the manure and not the straw that grew you biggies? Did you ask the mashrooms or just leaf?
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Hugh Jorgan
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Lookin Beautiful. I cant wait to see how it turns out!! Those RustyWhyte's look interesting. I imagine the potency is just about the same as other cubes. Albino's with rusty spores... very cool!!!
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Supalemonhaze
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spacechildo said: but how do you know it was the manure and not the straw that grew you biggies? Did you ask the mashrooms or just leaf?
Because, logic. Not something I "know", something I believe. You can question it all you like really, there's nothing else I would rather use.
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When I used straight straw I didn't notice this difference. Shrooms were bigger but not this big and definitely not this dense. 2nd tray was bacterial as fuck as well
Edited by Supalemonhaze (07/16/16 10:47 AM)
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Pastywhyte
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Straw holds a lot of water, more than coir, poo, or verm. It's able to supply a lot more to the colony resulting in large fruits consistently.
The poo tubs are a shade brighter. I have often said that the use of poo in the mix results in a more robust colony. At least IME it does.
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Supalemonhaze
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I believe a variety of nutrients, even the smallest amounts will do the mycelium great. Poo just so happens to be a great additive. I expect that adding coir to poo&straw can only make things better, if nothing else it will better the sub's consistency. Coir has a good airy texture.
I can't really go back to using straight coir though, even if it was cheap enough to rely on. I have gotten a taste of better things. Maybe I could keep some on hand for when I really need to get things done quickly but apart from that, this poo is too awesome to pass up. At 7.50 euro for a 60l bag it's really quite a steal vs 5.50 for 8l of coir.
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Pastywhyte
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Coir is a luxury for some and the only way to easily access materials for others. I always say to work with what you are able to too
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Supalemonhaze
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Yeah, coir is pretty dang awesome in regards to it's ease. Fucking bulletproof to contams as well, which makes it indispensable to some. I love coir honestly but now that I've gotten a taste of how things could be with my current method, I can't see myself quitting after all that searching and failing. Straight straw almost gave me a heart attack.
It's kind of ironic that this poo has been just waiting for me to find it not even 5 minutes away by foot from my apartment. Peat as well.
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spacechildo
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Pastywhyte said: Straw holds a lot of water, more than coir, poo, or verm. It's able to supply a lot more to the colony resulting in large fruits consistently
this was what I was getting at, straw is a pretty well known steroid for cubes. If you had some bacteria issues that may have contributed some to your results too.
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Supalemonhaze
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Yeah, negatively. Never had a positive reaction when bacteria was present 
Yeah, straw does give bigger shrooms but as I said above, the difference wasn't like the one I posted above and the shrooms were nowhere near as dense. BL will say the same thing that I am, pretty sure this is not something I dreamt up.
A more complex bulk helps IMHO. The more you stuff in there, the better.
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spacechildo
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sorry pasty this aint about straw! supa
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Pastywhyte
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No worries guys. To bring back on topic I am noticing a trend for the coir tubs being slightly ahead of the more complex manure tubs. Obviously there was no consolidation for these as they were right into fruiting. I am wondering if the more diverse nutrition profile is causing the lag, and if that's the case will it translate into an increase in yield. I suspect it will but, that it will be roughly proportionate to the amount of lag time involved (minimal).
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Pastywhyte
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Quote:
Supalemonhaze said:
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spacechildo said: but how do you know it was the manure and not the straw that grew you biggies? Did you ask the mashrooms or just leaf?
Because, logic. Not something I "know", something I believe. You can question it all you like really, there's nothing else I would rather use.
From this:

To this:

When I used straight straw I didn't notice this difference. Shrooms were bigger but not this big and definitely not this dense. 2nd tray was bacterial as fuck as well
After looking at this I must say that the real difference between these two substrates looks to be pinset. The larger fruits are throwing a sparse pinset in comparison to the coir tray. I suspect that were you able to supply greater water to the denser pinset you would have seen an increase in the size of the fruits.
I have a wikidzon clone that will pin like mad in a cased substrate. This often results in smaller fruits in a standard cased mono regardless of substrate composition. However when uncased it's a much thinner pinset but the fruits get huge by comparison.
The real kicker with this clone is that when I run it cased in bottles the pinset is dense as usual but the greater volume of sub per fruiting area results in massive fruits.
Pinset vs water supply dictates fruit size IMO. Substrate composition is secondary at best.
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uncle_rico
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Dr. Whyte says,
"After looking at this I must say that the real difference between these two substrates looks to be pinset. The larger fruits are throwing a sparse pinset in comparison to the coir tray. I suspect that were you able to supply greater water to the denser pinset you would have seen an increase in the size of the fruits.
I have a wikidzon clone that will pin like mad in a cased substrate. This often results in smaller fruits in a standard cased mono regardless of substrate composition. However when uncased it's a much thinner pinset but the fruits get huge by comparison.
The real kicker with this clone is that when I run it cased in bottles the pinset is dense as usual but the greater volume of sub per fruiting area results in massive fruits.
Pinset vs water supply dictates fruit size IMO. Substrate composition is secondary at best."
ding ding ding ... the above observations are dead on IMO. I have seen this time and time again.
When growing MS (or a clone or isolated culture in conditions that you can't control well), it is difficult to draw conclusions. This clone study with its controls is AWESOME.
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