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Grey
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Nice bottom pinset. The two plate pins I've cloned did that no matter the liner or moving during colonization. I just throw those in the dehydrator and rub the sub off before storing.
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Pastywhyte
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Re: Clone test [Re: Grey]
#23465142 - 07/22/16 07:52 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Lucky for me they were very lightly rooted in. Almost no sub came off with the fruits.
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Grey
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Those are the best.
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Pastywhyte
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Re: Clone test [Re: Grey]
#23465150 - 07/22/16 07:58 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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It was weird cause the fruits on top were rooted in like oaks. . .
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Supalemonhaze
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Invitro pin clones are weird for sure. Had this one that pinned like crazy but wasn't able to grow them out. The ones that grew a little were 1" tall tops
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Inocuole
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So like my APE clone... heh.
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Supalemonhaze
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Those aren't that bad.

Would have made for a nice flush 
Also.....
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spacechildo
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Fuckin A pasty, they're all monsters!
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Pastywhyte
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Updated final results are in folks.
Clone A Coir
So clone A was ready for some printing action and partial harvest this morning. The remainder was harvested when I got home from work. The coir tub did pretty good, total wet yield was 878 wet grams. Pretty decent IMO for 2 quarts spawn actually. Got a nice pic of the filled centers of the big fruits, nothing hollow here
Clone A this morning

This evening

Substrate is pretty spent. Overall I am fairly happy.
Clone A Poo
Poo sub also did well with clone A. Total yield was 818 grams wet, just a little under the coir yield. I attribute this to the extra water that the coir can hold compared to poo which just gets muddy if you added as much to it. Remember the nutes are in the grain spawn, its water that counts with bulk.
Morning harvest

Evening harvest

Clone B Coir
Both the clone B tubs are about a day behind the others, it wasn't ready for harvest or printing as of this morning, and I am probably gonna need to get up early to finish tomorrow. Got a print going now. While clone B was the yield loser it did have the biggest fruits. It should be noted that clone B on coir actually did not too bad, but the poo really shit the bed.
Evening harvest

Final harvest

Wow, clone B on coir ended up doing better than it looked. Guess pinset ain't everything when you got monsters like these. 1023 grams wet 
Clone B Poo
Clone B put out some real monsters but seemed to do poorly on the poo. I suspect again this is a water issue. Huge fruits need huge water supply. If I ever grow this one on poo again I am either going to add straw into the mix or a lower spawn ratio. Evening harvest

Final harvest

Clone B poo ended up with a final tally of 875 wet grams. Short of the coir by a big mark but still a bigger yield than I expected. Bastard also put out a huge amount of bottom pins. Almost no side pins. . . bottom pins. Odd that it only happened on two of the tubs both of them poo tubs.
Clone C Coir
Clone C did alright, tho I noticed what seemed like a lot of side pins in the poo tub. Even the coir tub had a few. I finished harvest of the top of the poo tub and pulled the sub out to get at the side pins. The sub seemed really spend despite what seemed like a lower yield. I then flipped the sub and saw the most bottom pins I have ever seen. They gave no fucks about the liner. No fucks. Unbelievable. Still waiting on some in the coir tub to finish, they will be pulled in the morning with the rest of the B clone.
Morning harvest

Evening harvest

Final harvest

Clone C totaled 992 wet grams. Better than I thought it would actually. I really loved the way the fruits at the tail end of the flush turned out, they really bulked up a lot. Glad I left em to grow.
Clone C Poo
So clone C bottom pinned like no ones fucking business. Unless a miracle occurs with the B clones it will have the biggest yield of all the tubs in this run. But I consider the bottom pinning to be a strike, it had the same conditions as all other tubs, I ain't about dicking around with a harvest on the bottom. Final yield with clone C on poo is a whopping 960 wet grams.
Morning harvest

Evening harvest

Final tale of the scale
Clone A
Coir: 878 grams Poo: 818 grams
Clone B
Coir: 1023 grams Poo: 875 grams
Clone C
Coir: 992 grams Poo: 960
Coir VS Poo was 2893 grams to 2653 grams in favor of the coir. Best yield was clone B surprisingly enough, I thought for sure it was gonna be the goat. However it seems like clone C was the best average between the substrates and Clone A was the fastest harvest and best top pinset. I am gonna need to think on things and sample some of the fruits of my labour before I decide which one gets the nod for the 5th gen. No matter which one I go with, I think these are all decent candidates, I could have far worse to choose from.
Thanks for reading, its been fun. I feel like I learned a few things here at least
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The coir out-performed the poo with every clone interesting. Definitely let us know how different they are in potency, if possible I agree you could have definitely had worse candidates, you have obviously been thinning the pool favorably and moving along some good genes!! Keep up the amazing work
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Pastywhyte
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I already know how they will be in potency. I have already done this with many different clones over the years. Potency with either be identical or so close as to be indistinguishable. Potency is and always is genetic. People who claim otherwise often have never run controlled comparisons.
However I do plan to sample some of these tonight. I may post a report in this thread for lulz.
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While or after?
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Re: Clone test [Re: Grey]
#23467365 - 07/22/16 08:05 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Definitely after
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spacechildo
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Re: Clone test [Re: Grey]
#23467366 - 07/22/16 08:05 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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great stuff as always pasty, and very thorough! Been a joy to watch
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Boogieman47
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I didn't read the whole thread but how many flushes was that?
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Pastywhyte
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Quote:
noob47 said: I didn't read the whole thread but how many flushes was that?
One
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lukehighwalker710
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Quote:
Pastywhyte said: I already know how they will be in potency. I have already done this with many different clones over the years. Potency with either be identical or so close as to be indistinguishable. Potency is and always is genetic. People who claim otherwise often have never run controlled comparisons.
However I do plan to sample some of these tonight. I may post a report in this thread for lulz.
Oh, neat! I thought perhaps the varying complexity of nutes may affect alkaloid production in some way. But sweet! Then it seems simplest to just get a clone that favors coir and roll with that, rather then even messing with poo. I mean for me.
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Boogieman47
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Damn man that's impressive you really know you're shit ... I wasn't sure if that was final weight for all harvests
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Boogieman47
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Being that they are so dense will they be more dry ? Cause that's roughly 22 zippers going off a tenth of their weight I'm happy for you man I can't wait to be able to post great results like you and some of the others on here
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Pastywhyte
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Well as I explained nitrogen is the only thing that coir is short on. However the ability of a culture to use nitrogen is genetic and any increase in nitrogen levels beyond what the culture is able to utilize simply sits unused. There is some nitrogen available in the grain and I use coffee in my soak, so unless you either spawn with a really low ratio or have some super powered culture that can really take up the nitrogen and convert it, most of it just goes to waste. At least IME.
I harvested the first flush over the course of 2 days. This allowed some of the less mature fruits to catch up and get the max potential for each clone. If I do go for a second flush I will dunk and probably see it come in the next 4 or 5 days.
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