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Supalemonhaze
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noob47 said: The ones I have growing now they are no where near as dense as my last what would cause that? Maybe my sub too dry?
My guess is the warmer temps. Colder temperatures will give you dense shrooms. The one in my sig that weighs 75g was only the length of my middle finger, it was grown in temps around 60-65F. Had one the length of my palm on my last PE tray and it was only ~50g
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Boogieman47
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Ya come to think of it it was still cooler out then at that time and my room is average about 76℉ now it was 72℉ then if not cooler
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uncle_rico
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Teperature + Speed of Growth + Genetics = Fruit Density / Hollowness
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Bigbadwooof
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Higher temperatures = faster growth, which I believe is why you get less dense mushrooms. However, genetics also play a role. I hadn't thought about temperature, because the room I grow in has an air conditioner lolz.
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Pastywhyte
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Registered: 09/15/12
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Okay the results are starting to roll in and I am going to try to cover all the bases without boring you good folks.
Clone A Coir
So clone A was ready for some printing action and partial harvest this morning. The remainder was harvested when I got home from work. The coir tub did pretty good, total wet yield was 878 wet grams. Pretty decent IMO for 2 quarts spawn actually. Got a nice pic of the filled centers of the big fruits, nothing hollow here
Clone A this morning

This evening

Substrate is pretty spent. Overall I am fairly happy.
Clone A Poo
Poo sub also did well with clone A. Total yield was 818 grams wet, just a little under the coir yield. I attribute this to the extra water that the coir can hold compared to poo which just gets muddy if you added as much to it. Remember the nutes are in the grain spawn, its water that counts with bulk.
Morning harvest

Evening harvest

Clone B Coir
Both the clone B tubs are about a day behind the others, it wasn't ready for harvest or printing as of this morning, and I am probably gonna need to get up early to finish tomorrow. Got a print going now. While clone B was the yield loser it did have the biggest fruits. It should be noted that clone B on coir actually did not too bad, but the poo really shit the bed.
Evening harvest

Clone B Poo
This evening
Clone B put out some real monsters but seemed to do poorly on the poo. I suspect again this is a water issue. Huge fruits need huge water supply. If I ever grow this one on poo again I am either going to add straw into the mix or a lower spawn ratio.

Clone C Coir
Clone C did alright, tho I noticed what seemed like a lot of side pins in the poo tub. Even the coir tub had a few. I finished harvest of the top of the poo tub and pulled the sub out to get at the side pins. The sub seemed really spend despite what seemed like a lower yield. I then flipped the sub and saw the most bottom pins I have ever seen. They gave no fucks about the liner. No fucks. Unbelievable. Still waiting on some in the coir tub to finish, they will be pulled in the morning with the rest of the B clone.
Morning harvest

Evening harvest

Clone C Poo
So clone C bottom pinned like no ones fucking business. Unless a miracle occurs with the B clones it will have the biggest yield of all the tubs in this run. But I consider the bottom pinning to be a strike, it had the same conditions as all other tubs, I ain't about dicking around with a harvest on the bottom. Final yield with clone C on poo is a whopping 960 wet grams.
Morning harvest

Evening harvest

Final results will come tomorrow but I think we can already see where this is going.
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mycohumanity
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Registered: 06/21/13
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Great post and an interesting study.
Unless potency becomes a factor, I was anticipating (or hoping for) some sort of consistency between the coir vs hpoo subs between all clones.
At glance, I can't see a benefit to choosing coir over hpoo if both are available at similar prices...except also the effort of prepping coir, since you can get away with a bucket tek "pasteurization".
Although, if there's some kind of consistency in regards to potency between the sub types, I would love to read a follow up on that.
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lukehighwalker710
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Registered: 03/04/16
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let's see some perfect rusty spores on those bad boys even though they aren't stable yet, you're moving em in the right direction with each generation. You are doing amazing work!! Great yields, solid fruits, nice color. Let's see some rust pasty for president!
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Boogieman47
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Good shit I doubt you can bore anyone with some write ups and grows like that man right on 818 wet is killer what are those mini monos? And a smaller spawn ratio will reduce the amount of water? Maybe that's what happened to my first two tubs I had high spawn ratio I was talking to a guy on here and he said he would rather use 4 quarts on a 66 qt tub than anything else mine was over double that .... I made more tubs with less spawn hopefully I see better results keep on keepin on pasty
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Pastywhyte
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Registered: 09/15/12
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Well they all produced rusty spores, you can see them in some of the pics. Might have a small spore dump when I harvest the rest tomorrow morning.
As for the poo vs coir comparison, I think the main highlight is genetics. Some strains are going to demand more water, others might move the water better or be able to force pinning in the areas where there is extra water (hence the bottom pins) while others may not care about nitrogen boosts or even need it. Remember that with most fungal species, nitrogen can only be used at a certain rate and once that quantity is saturated, the rest sits unused.
I read a paper that was on my old phone on alkaloid production of aspergillus species and the use of nitrogen. They found that adding more nitrogen beyond the ability of the organisim to absorb yielded no difference in final alkaloid production. That is why we tell people potency is genetic, because regardless of substrate composition, the ability of the strain is what determines how it is used.
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lukehighwalker710
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neat. Well let us know how potent those turn out lots of genetic potential there
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Bigbadwooof
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Man.. I'm really digging that strain your making. The caps look whiter than AA+ to me. I like that the stems are solid like that. It looks like you're on to something, and I want a print! Lmao!
AA+ is my favorite strain so far, but this looks like a contender for the title!
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Bigbadwooof
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What do you do to add nitrogen? I don't recall them benefitting from nitrogen additives.
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Boogieman47
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I think blood meal is a good way to add nitrogen
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Pastywhyte
Say hello to my little friend



Registered: 09/15/12
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Coffee, chix poo or worm castings all are good sources of nitrogen. Manure also has a little more nitrogen than coir if you were about keeping the sub simple. But extra nitrogen can make a hot sub if you overdo it, 5-10% is more than enough. Also I have had many a deadly grow on just coir and verm. Which again is why I say genetics.
Once these are ready there will be many making the rounds. I'm sure in a few years people will be sick of seeing em 
But they are my babies and I am proud of em
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Boogieman47
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Fuck the amount of time and love you gotta give them they are your babies make sure who ever you send prints to won't come get you for child support haha
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Inocuole
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I won't be sick of seeing them for a bit. And if that happened, I'd just try crossing them with something else. Would be cool to use it to give APE some vigor.
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Teemo 6T3
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Registered: 07/21/14
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Pastywhyte said: This evening
Substrate is pretty spent. Overall I am fairly happy.
I just love that brown deposit pattern on the caps, its so SEXY, reminds me of pantyhose for some reason lol
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blindingleaf
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Registered: 07/19/13
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I see a red spore and I want to paint it black!
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lukehighwalker710
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blindingleaf said: I see a red spore and I want to paint it black!
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mupetmower
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