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MrTurtle
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(Pics) Update: New Mold Growth? 1st Grow. Beautiful Cluster Pinning.
#23399020 - 06/30/16 08:51 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Hey guys, first time growing and I think everything is going pretty well 
These pins started growing about a day and a half ago and so far I'm really pleased with the growth of them. So exciting to finally see the beginning or my beloved shroomies.
Two questions:
Does this seem like a lot of pins? Thsee pictures are between 5 different cakes but all of the pictures are of different clusters. I assume some of them will be aborts right? How many can I expect to become aborts?
2nd question is about moisture content. These pictures were taken right after a misting and fanning. In the light you can see little water droplets on them. Is this amount of moisture alright or will it cause rotting and I should cut back on the misting?
Appreciate any advice and thanks for all the help in getting to this stage!
UPDATE 1:
Might have run into a big problem here Here are some pics of a few of my cakes. The clusters are forming beautifully with good growth, but so is the white bacteria at the bottom of 3/5 of my cakes.

So my questions are: How do this mold affect the shrooms/cakes? Are the shrooms growing near the mold ruined? Are they all ruined? Can I clean it with diluted hydrogen peroxide? Won't that hurt the shrooms?
I've lowered the temp in the room to about 65-70F to help reduce baterial growth. Side note: From all my reading on this site I was under the assumption that once the mycelium completely took over the substrate it would be strong enough to fight off baterial invaders which is why you don't have to be super sterile in this stage. Where am I wrong?
Edited by MrTurtle (07/01/16 10:01 PM)
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Re: First Grow. First Pinning. How do they look? [Re: MrTurtle]
#23399152 - 06/30/16 09:33 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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That misting looks good. Just let them air out a bit before you mist again so you don't waterlog them.
Are the pins like that all over on each cake? No way to guess how many aborts. Try not to over think it, you're doing good so far.
If you share pics with us as they mature, we can let you know if something looks off.
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Re: First Grow. First Pinning. How do they look? [Re: Grey]
#23399205 - 06/30/16 09:53 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Thanks for the reply. Good to know I'm not over misting. They're always dry by the time I mist again.
There really aren't any individual pins. Maybe one or two, but the vast majority are clustered like that. I'll definitely post more pictures as they grow. It's exciting how fast they're growing already.
It's about 10-14 days for full growth, right? On average ofc. I'm sure every grow is different
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Re: First Grow. First Pinning. How do they look? [Re: MrTurtle]
#23399305 - 06/30/16 10:27 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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You'll have those harvest before this time next week.
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Re: First Grow. First Pinning. How do they look? [Re: LocN9ne]
#23399894 - 07/01/16 03:40 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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They're gonna be pretty it looks like. Don't forget to chill on the misting when they start to fruit so you don't waterlog your caps. You're doing great right now though keep up the good work.
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Re: First Grow. First Pinning. How do they look? [Re: Adden]
#23400077 - 07/01/16 06:23 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Clusters are cool, makes for great clones. Now is a good time to start playing with agar and maybe clone some of those bitches.
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Re: First Grow. First Pinning. How do they look? [Re: Supalemonhaze]
#23402442 - 07/01/16 09:34 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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UPDATE 1:
Might have run into a big problem here Here are some pics of a few of my cakes. The clusters are forming beautifully with good growth, but so is the white bacteria at the bottom of 3/5 of my cakes.

So my questions are: How do this mold affect the shrooms/cakes? Are the shrooms growing near the mold ruined? Are they all ruined? Can I clean it with diluted hydrogen peroxide? Won't that hurt the shrooms?
I've lowered the temp in the room to about 65-70F to help reduce baterial growth. Side note: From all my reading on this site I was under the assumption that once the mycelium completely took over the substrate it would be strong enough to fight off baterial invaders which is why you don't have to be super sterile in this stage. Where am I wrong?
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Re: First Grow. First Pinning. How do they look? [Re: MrTurtle]
#23402600 - 07/01/16 10:34 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Mycelium in a cake won't overrun bacteria. Certain types weave themselves inside the cell walls. If you manage to get some mushrooms off them then good, but it'll likely be a lackluster first flush and maybe a little bit.
Start making new jars now if you haven't already.
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Re: First Grow. First Pinning. How do they look? [Re: MrTurtle]
#23402696 - 07/01/16 11:18 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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MrTurtle said: UPDATE 1:
Might have run into a big problem here Here are some pics of a few of my cakes. The clusters are forming beautifully with good growth, but so is the white bacteria at the bottom of 3/5 of my cakes.

So my questions are: How do this mold affect the shrooms/cakes? Are the shrooms growing near the mold ruined? Are they all ruined? Can I clean it with diluted hydrogen peroxide? Won't that hurt the shrooms?
I've lowered the temp in the room to about 65-70F to help reduce baterial growth. Side note: From all my reading on this site I was under the assumption that once the mycelium completely took over the substrate it would be strong enough to fight off baterial invaders which is why you don't have to be super sterile in this stage. Where am I wrong?
No, you aren't wrong... Just kinda taking it out of context... Of your cakes colonized healthy (no contams) then once they were colonized they would then be strong enough to FEND OFF contams... Since they were already contaminated with bacteria from the get go, you just have to deal with it... And no, the shrooms aren't ruined... They are 100% fine and safe to consume... And please don't ever spray peroxide on your cakes, it's only use is to combat cobweb mold which you do not have.
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Re: First Grow. First Pinning. How do they look? [Re: LocN9ne]
#23402794 - 07/02/16 12:17 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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You seem to be confusing bacteria with molds. Molds are fungi, much like our mushroom mycelium while bacteria are... well.. Bacteria.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bacteria
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Re: First Grow. First Pinning. How do they look? [Re: LocN9ne]
#23402828 - 07/02/16 12:43 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Whoa, interesting. So you're saying they've been contaminated since they were in the jars? That's kind of disappointing as I thought the jars were doing fine the entire time. Here's a few pictures of the cakes in the jars during the mycelium growth period:

I'm currently cultivating 12 more jars and would like to know if there is bacteria growing in them atm. I did notice a different texture in a couple of my jars. Is this signs of that bacteria?

Apparently I need to read up much more on possible bacteria contaiminations. I'll take a look at that bacteria wiki and search some thread for more general info. Thanks a lot for the expertise.
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Re: First Grow. First Pinning. How do they look? [Re: MrTurtle]
#23402848 - 07/02/16 12:57 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Not using agar to start your cultures pretty much guarantees you to have some degree of bacteria... Fruiting is done in open air, so spores are anything but sterile... That is the precise reason why agar is the go-to for any cultivator who is worth their salt... I can't tell if that jar is bacterial by looking at right there... But there is a pretty Damn good chance that it is...
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Re: First Grow. First Pinning. How do they look? [Re: MrTurtle]
#23402850 - 07/02/16 12:58 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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It looks like you're packing your jars too tightly or it's going bacterial from bad syringes. Do you flame the needle then eject a drop and inoculate? And then do so again between jars? Are you starting your pressure cooker timer for 60 minutes once the rocker starts? You've got bad spores or you're messing up somewhere between syringe and jar (provided the jars are sterilized properly). Packing jars too tightly maybe? Hard to tell.
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Re: First Grow. First Pinning. How do they look? [Re: LocN9ne]
#23402854 - 07/02/16 01:01 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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The "bubbling" in the last pic seems like bacteria to me. Could just be a shitload of strains growing on each other making them look strange but as loc said, every syringe has some bacteria in it.
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Re: First Grow. First Pinning. How do they look? [Re: Supalemonhaze]
#23402873 - 07/02/16 01:22 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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LocN9ne said: Not using agar to start your cultures pretty much guarantees you to have some degree of bacteria... Fruiting is done in open air, so spores are anything but sterile... That is the precise reason why agar is the go-to for any cultivator who is worth their salt... I can't tell if that jar is bacterial by looking at right there... But there is a pretty Damn good chance that it is...
I'm looking into agar inoculation methods now. Definitely something I'm interested in doing.
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Adden said: It looks like you're packing your jars too tightly or it's going bacterial from bad syringes. Do you flame the needle then eject a drop and inoculate? And then do so again between jars? Are you starting your pressure cooker timer for 60 minutes once the rocker starts? You've got bad spores or you're messing up somewhere between syringe and jar (provided the jars are sterilized properly). Packing jars too tightly maybe? Hard to tell.
I packed the jars pretty loosely. Crumbled the substrate and let it fall off my hand into the jar freely. I did flame the needle but with a lighter not alcohol lamp. I flamed in between every inoc. Maybe there was some bacteria in the syringe to begin with. I pressure cooked for 60 minutes after the rocker started.
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Supalemonhaze said: The "bubbling" in the last pic seems like bacteria to me. Could just be a shitload of strains growing on each other making them look strange but as loc said, every syringe has some bacteria in it.
I previously asked about that texture in another thread and someone said it was just dehydrated in that area and ready to fruit :/ Knowing what I know now, I'm thinking it was bacteria. It had a completely different texture.
Edited by MrTurtle (07/02/16 02:08 AM)
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Re: First Grow. First Pinning. How do they look? [Re: MrTurtle]
#23402889 - 07/02/16 01:39 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Supalemonhaze said: Start reading up on a bunch of agar threads. Here's a few to get you started.
Cleaning and isolating mushroom strains.
Working with agar
Hidden contams.
This one isn't as important but it's good even if you skim it for a bit for now, gives you an idea of what ingredients you can use for agar. Media cookbook.
And to get you started, the most widely used no-pour agar tek. Pasty plates.
There is more that you can read if you want to, cloning and slanting are two awesome things you can do with agar but for now, the links above should prepare you well for what you intend to do.
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Re: First Grow. First Pinning. How do they look? [Re: MrTurtle]
#23402911 - 07/02/16 02:02 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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You should edit out that sponsor. I think it's against the rules. I made better syringes in a shot glass inside an SAB with sterile water off the stove. It startled me that my next flushes didn't get all fucky spiky bacteria. They're really good at mislabling spores and they can't count, either.
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Re: First Grow. First Pinning. How do they look? [Re: Adden]
#23402956 - 07/02/16 02:34 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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What do you mean count? They sent you less syringes than what you paid for? Here, I'm kinda wishing you counted every single spore in your syringe you would go in the book of records for that. And have both your eyes transplanted later from all the hours you spend in front of a microscope.
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Re: First Grow. First Pinning. How do they look? [Re: Supalemonhaze]
#23402990 - 07/02/16 02:57 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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I got shorted one. Also, I got 4 of one variety, not 2 and 2, they didn't care.
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Re: First Grow. First Pinning. How do they look? [Re: Adden]
#23403216 - 07/02/16 06:37 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Faggots. Sponsors are not usually that way, you should take your business elsewhere and let them know about it.
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