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Re: Coca growers [Re: DBCOOPERCE]
    #24917537 - 01/16/18 05:30 AM (6 years, 2 months ago)

I'd say you've got at least a root on that cutting if that's the case. I'd dig around to make sure there was and if so pot it back up into some quality soil and let it grow.


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Re: Coca growers [Re: karode13]
    #24925477 - 01/19/18 11:32 AM (6 years, 2 months ago)

Anyone else getting pms from a member telling them its not possible to manually pollenate a coca plant with its own flowers?
As ive done it a few times and explained my process to the guy he came up with this explaination as to why i got berries seems to be trying hard to say i cant have possibly pollenated my coca with its own flowers.

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Ok so probably whatever have grown there could be from some pollen that was there month before, but its just my idea, or maybe the reason why the seeds haven't developed is because it was only from the same plant. If the first idea is true, it would mean that pollen from e.coca can be viable for quite long. 


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Re: Coca growers [Re: mrmazdarx9]
    #24925624 - 01/19/18 12:27 PM (6 years, 2 months ago)

When do these plants usually seed? Fall possibly?

I'd LOVE to get my hands on one of these plants at some point.


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Re: Coca growers [Re: mrmazdarx9]
    #24926021 - 01/19/18 03:39 PM (6 years, 2 months ago)

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Anyone else getting pms from a member telling them its not possible to manually pollenate a coca plant with its own flowers?
As ive done it a few times and explained my process to the guy he came up with this explaination as to why i got berries seems to be trying hard to say i cant have possibly pollenated my coca with its own flowers.

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Ok so probably whatever have grown there could be from some pollen that was there month before, but its just my idea, or maybe the reason why the seeds haven't developed is because it was only from the same plant. If the first idea is true, it would mean that pollen from e.coca can be viable for quite long. 


:/ any thoughts?




I haven´t got any PM´s.
I pollinate my E.Novo with a qtip going from flower to flower.
And as i get berries they must be self pollinatable.
I usually pollinate one plant at a time.
I also have read that they are able to pollinate themselves.
Dont think there can´t be any question about that.
At least E.Novo.


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Re: Coca growers [Re: Mateo]
    #24926088 - 01/19/18 04:10 PM (6 years, 2 months ago)

They aren't really designed for self pollination but one can self pollinate them.

Read this to understand why. http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1095-8339.1979.tb02182.x/abstract

It contains words that you'll need to learn their meanings to be able to understand the article. It's worth it because you'll learn more about Botany.


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Re: Coca growers [Re: karode13] * 2
    #24937851 - 01/24/18 03:09 AM (6 years, 2 months ago)

How long time get berries from plant novo seed ?

I get berries after 1 year .. Some site,references tells coca plant produces berries after 2-3 years old..But, my novo produces berries in 1 year old (12-13 months)..I don't know whether berries is viable or not?



The small one ,the shortest one which produced berries..Another my novo start developing pods.


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Re: Coca growers [Re: novonova]
    #24937896 - 01/24/18 04:33 AM (6 years, 2 months ago)

Excillent novonovo :smile:

What climate are you in?
You must have a environment suting the E.novo very well.
I have E.novos that are over 5 years old growing inside in a growtent and i recently get my first berries starting to develop.

It is quite clear that growing them outside in a suitable climate is very superior compared to indoors.
Sadly i dont live where it is possible.

Why don´t you try germinating some berries?
There are many members here wanting berries/seeds, maybe you can trade some in the marketplace?
Very nice plants.


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Re: Coca growers [Re: Mateo]
    #24940190 - 01/25/18 01:11 AM (6 years, 2 months ago)

I live in tropical climate,Low land area 82 Ft.Daily average temperature is 86 Fahrenheit in rainy season and Daily average temperature is 91,4 F in dry season.

Sally is harder to grow than novo in my place..I've never succeeded growing sally.

I transplanted novo in Latosol soil.According Wilkipedia ,Latosol soil poor in nutrients and with high acidity and concentration of aluminum that immobilizes phosphorous as iron-aluminium phosphate

I have just recently germinated ripe berries..let see

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Re: Coca growers [Re: novonova]
    #24941052 - 01/25/18 01:01 PM (6 years, 2 months ago)

The more i get experience and read up on Erythroxylum i notice that it seems do better in soils poor in nutrient salts.
For example the scientific paper i found recently (linked erlier in thread), they used tissue culture with different mediums and the medium designed for rhododendron who was very poor in nutrient salts did much better than the others and produced 10 times more alkaloids.
Soil poor in nutrients, with good iron content and a lower PH seem to be much better than ordinary soil for these plants.
I wish i had your climate and have to try simulate it indoors in a growtent.
It would have been great if it were not for those bugs, spider mites, that i simply dont seem to be able to get rid of.

Do you have to conceal the berries/seeds when sending them?
I thought it was only the leaf and maybe woody material that was not allowed.
Why don´t you mark them as coffie berries, they are very similar.


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Re: Coca growers [Re: Mateo]
    #24944591 - 01/26/18 07:33 PM (6 years, 2 months ago)

My baby is outside now. Look at this new growth.


So whats the ph supposed to be? My rain water is acidic and i did like 2 tablespoons of dolomite lime to neutralize. Maybe it will go away.


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Re: Coca growers [Re: Mateo]
    #24945195 - 01/27/18 01:58 AM (6 years, 2 months ago)

Funny you should say that. The most success I have ever had with these, I got like 12 plants to 8 months, and I was using rhododendron soil mixed with coir and sand. Wish I had known about the Epsom salts also...


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Re: Coca growers [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #24945508 - 01/27/18 08:13 AM (6 years, 2 months ago)

I aim for ph5


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Re: Coca growers [Re: ferrel_human]
    #24945523 - 01/27/18 08:19 AM (6 years, 2 months ago)

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My baby is outside now. Look at this new growth.


So whats the ph supposed to be? My rain water is acidic and i did like 2 tablespoons of dolomite lime to neutralize. Maybe it will go away.




Looking good :thumbup:
Your Cocas look so much more healthy than mine...
It´s obvious they really like outside compared to indoors.
The spider mites and my tries to eliminate them has taken it´s toll on the plants.

It is said they like a lower PH somewhere around 5 to 6.
I try make my tapwater to this PH when watering them but with the current bugproblems i can´t judge how good it is working.
In SA they are grown in acidic soil, poor in nutrients and with a higher iron content.


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Re: Coca growers [Re: mrmazdarx9]
    #24945527 - 01/27/18 08:20 AM (6 years, 2 months ago)

Ive heard of it being more alkaline. All my rain water saved up is acidic. Which i believe is how the mist in the mountains would be. :shrug:


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Re: Coca growers [Re: ferrel_human] * 1
    #24945749 - 01/27/18 10:23 AM (6 years, 2 months ago)

That is intresting.
I must investigate some, maybe im feeding my cocas wrong PH water.
That would be no good.

My E.coca is the most healthy of my coca plants.
It seem not so affected by the spider mites creating havoc with the novos.

E Coca


Tried a air layering experiment on the E Coca

I hope the berries will mature on the E Novo´s

The berrie first discovered starting to get a yellow tone


Two other berries on same plant


This one is on another E Novo plant

The berries seem to be maturing slowly and im so happy they haven´t fallen yet.
I try search the net on soil PH for these plants and post if i find anything useful.


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Re: Coca growers [Re: ferrel_human]
    #24945804 - 01/27/18 10:39 AM (6 years, 2 months ago)

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Ive heard of it being more alkaline. All my rain water saved up is acidic. Which i believe is how the mist in the mountains would be. :shrug:




Wrll i finally used my ph control kit and the ph of my rain water is alkaline. Totally sucks as i was wrong. Those test strips suck. This ph control kit i boight is pretty cool. Im all wrong now. I have so much too learn.


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Re: Coca growers [Re: ferrel_human]
    #24945896 - 01/27/18 11:20 AM (6 years, 2 months ago)

We all must learn and one never get to the point when one knows it all.
One can get quite experienced though.

The PH test kits with a little bottle of reagent (using 4 drops) seem to work quite well.
The digital ones work good too, if one calibrates them before use.

The test strips i think more is to show in what part of the scale it is.
But they maybe can show faulty results too.
I wonder how much fertilizers and other additives can influence the results.


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Re: Coca growers [Re: Mateo]
    #24946214 - 01/27/18 02:16 PM (6 years, 2 months ago)

Well my rain water has nothing in it. Just algae and shit from it sitting out so long. Still i wanyed it to be ok ph wise and i had to adjust it.


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    #24954829 - 01/30/18 02:43 PM (6 years, 1 month ago)

Here is my baby. Doing good still. Dipped middle 40s last night. Didnt think it would get that cold. But it still,doing fine. Just gotta be more,careful.



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Re: Novo baby cold weather growth [Re: ferrel_human]
    #24958868 - 02/01/18 04:41 AM (6 years, 1 month ago)

I just received 7 fresh novo berries, what's you guys's favorite way to remove the berry flesh and germinate the seeds?
There was a good resource on WSS but the site seems offline unfortunately.

Ferrel, that's a beautiful bush :thumbup:

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