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JoeMama1992
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Solipsis
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I don't think any plant profits from 24/0... you need those dark processes of the metabolism too. I don't know if it finds a way like 'microsleeps' but it probably won't be healthy from what I hear about experiments with that.
On the other hand, other species of plants start flowering with a shorter light cycle too right (saw that with Salvia Divinorum actually)? Well, only if it is a "short day plant", that is. It depends on the photoperiodism.
This suggests coca is a short day plant too but I can't find that info conclusively.
Another interesting tidbit is that to prevent alkaloid loss, you should dry the leaves at 70C for 2h. https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Stephen_Emche/publication/31434888_Variation_of_Alkaloid_Content_in_Erythroxylum_coca_Leaves_from_Leaf_Bud_to_Leaf_Drop/links/0f317532076c5df573000000/Variation-of-Alkaloid-Content-in-Erythroxylum-coca-Leaves-from-Leaf-Bud-to-Leaf-Drop.pdf
In the lab, plants are grown at 12/12, 22C and 65-70% RH.
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mrmazdarx9
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Re: Coca growers [Re: Solipsis]
#24576497 - 08/24/17 12:15 PM (6 years, 8 months ago) |
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My plant is now producing more flowers after a 2 weeks of 12/12 and the berries are coming along well produced 2 more berries. 12/12 is the winner for me, only problem is my auto flowers are in the same grow room and they need a lot longer day light time so im gonna have to switch to longer time once these berries are done hopefully wont be too long. I dry my leaves in my dehydrator not just good for mushrooms.
Really pissed at the mo my 6 day old viparspectra LED grow light only run 12/12 for 6 day melted itself
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Solipsis
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Wut.. maybe something is up with one of the internal fans?
I am still waiting on my LED driver so that I can build and hook up my new lamp! excited about that... Once I build that I could try if the novo's can handle that (cree 72w full spectrum led cob)
You think that they might abort the flowers / berries still developing if you change the photoperiod?? I wonder if that happens or if there is no risk after they triggered the start of development.
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mrmazdarx9
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Re: Coca growers [Re: Solipsis]
#24578357 - 08/25/17 06:20 AM (6 years, 8 months ago) |
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Im not sure so im not gonna switch from 12/12 till the berries are done not worth the risk.
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Alpineswift
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Welp
This doea not look normal

Lack of humidity ??
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mrmazdarx9
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Looks ok to me just a baby leaf give it a few days to straighten and fill out
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ferrel_human
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Quote:
mrmazdarx9 said: Looks ok to me just a baby leaf give it a few days to straighten and fill out
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Teonanacatl2
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Guys, if you wanna get the same stimulation from coca leaves that u get from snorting coke, just do this. Grinds coca leaves till they become a powder, then mix them with baking soda, 1 teaspoon of baking soda for a spoonful of coca leaves powder. Moisten the mixture with a little water,dont make it washy, just a little wet. Let stand for 15 minutes. For some that's a lot of baking soda, so figure out what is enough for you. Put it on your cheek for half an hour, swallow it very slowly during that half hour, and after that, keep on puting that mix in your cheek till u are satisfaced or till you get the effects that u want to achieved.Your mouths will get anesthetized in the same way as with the white powder. You can also swallow it all after taht half hour, just try what is better for you. Getting used to chewing is not easy for the white man. Good luck.
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Teonanacatl2
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Actually, I do not know if it could be called chewing. This is a technique explained by Jonathan Ott in a magazine from spain. Also, the mount of that mix u wanna put in your cheek depends of how much coke u wanna absorb. Jonathan Ott says one teaspoon every half an hour. Its up to you, just try out.
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ferrel_human
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I always chew my novo with a bit of baking soda. Thanks for the newbie tips.
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Teonanacatl2
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What do u mean with novo buddy? English is not my first lenguage. The stimulation and anesthesia is too mild with the bolus, grinding the coca leaves and doing that mix is getting me to a new level.
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DBCOOPERCE
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Short for "Novogranatense"
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mrmazdarx9
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Thats basically what we do anyway tbh bar the powdering. I find the strongest effects are from tea but i enjoy a chew also, very dependant on what time of day it is if ive just woke up the effect will be stronger than if its half way through the day. Which is why i like a coca tea in a morning.
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JizzMasterZero
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I did my last chew the way Teon described, before even reading that. I didn't use as much baking soda, so I'll try it with more. I need to try tea again, I guess you add baking soda to that too?
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JizzMasterZero
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That berry I plucked over a week ago hasn't germinated. When I got mine, they germinated in the mail. Seems like somebody posted a link regarding coca viability a while back but the link didn't work for me. Anybody know what's going on with that? It was ripe and nearly detached by itself, so I don't think I took it too soon.
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mrmazdarx9
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I think you shouldnt be picking them off the plant they drop when they are ready a day or two before they drop should be fine but without prior knowledge of what a ripe berry looks like i wouldnt risk picking to plant. I think they change colour from red to orange or darker red when they are ready or that might be once they drop. I add baking soda or mix in a few fruit flavoured antacid tablets to tea the last tea i had freaked me out a little my heart (or at least i thought it was) went mad once the buzz ran out, i used 20 large leaves (e.coca so larger leaves lower alk works out about the same as novo) I did a mini extraction of a lot of saved leaves got 2 lines out of it which had a very definate high not awesome but didnt sleep the night i tried. Wouldnt be pure didnt oxidize the undesired alks so powdered agua riga still enjoyed the mild buzz.
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JizzMasterZero
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It was ready to drop. I was watching it daily and it came off when I barely touched it. Otherwise I would have lost it like the lost the last two. I think they got washed away in the rain. It was on the plant and red for about a month. I see more flowers coming on, I'll try to pollinate with a tiny paintbrush again.
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DBCOOPERCE
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What happened to your cuttings, Jizz ?
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DualWieldRake
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Speaking about cuttings, i made some too (var. coca)
1 of three looks promising. Unfolded a leaf and didnt drop any, opposed to the other ones dropping them all
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