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Re: Coca growers [Re: SalviaGod]
    #24543112 - 08/10/17 06:24 AM (6 years, 9 months ago)

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Is distilled white vinegar a safe ph down to use for these plants?

When you ph down are you wanting the water you water with to be 5-5.5ph or do you want your run off water to be 5-5.5ph?

I also saw farther back in the thread that people are using 9-3-6 npk liquid ferts, but whats the ratio of ferilizer to water? And how often do you add fertilizer, every time you water?
This is all assuming i would be growing in coco coir and perlit as a non nutritious substrate.



I use ph down phoshoric acid and the fert you posted. I use 2.5 ml of nutes to every 5 litres of tap water and use it everytime they get dry when the pot feels super light.


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Re: Coca growers [Re: mrmazdarx9]
    #24543283 - 08/10/17 08:57 AM (6 years, 9 months ago)

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Is distilled white vinegar a safe ph down to use for these plants?

When you ph down are you wanting the water you water with to be 5-5.5ph or do you want your run off water to be 5-5.5ph?

I also saw farther back in the thread that people are using 9-3-6 npk liquid ferts, but whats the ratio of ferilizer to water? And how often do you add fertilizer, every time you water?
This is all assuming i would be growing in coco coir and perlit as a non nutritious substrate.



I use ph down phoshoric acid and the fert you posted. I use 2.5 ml of nutes to every 5 litres of tap water and use it everytime they get dry when the pot feels super light.




Thanks for the info!
Is phosphoric acid just your prefered ph down or is there a specific reason you would use it over other acids?
I was asking about vinegar just because i already own it, so its less id have to buy.
Is there any reason i wouldnt want to use vinegar?

Also at what point do you start ferilizing? As seedlings, or is that after they mature?

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Re: Coca growers [Re: SalviaGod]
    #24543494 - 08/10/17 10:40 AM (6 years, 9 months ago)

I started when they where about a year old it may be a bit too strong for seedling. Im not 100% about the vinegar i use phosphoric as i buy ph down if it contained a different acid then id use that plus phosphorous is the p in npk so cant be too detrimental to its health in my mind.


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Re: Coca growers [Re: mrmazdarx9]
    #24543499 - 08/10/17 10:41 AM (6 years, 9 months ago)

I use slow release ferts for mine. But they are a couple years old.


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Re: Coca growers [Re: ferrel_human]
    #24543910 - 08/10/17 02:34 PM (6 years, 9 months ago)

The good thing about phosphoric acid is that it is a multiple acid 'system' and can buffer pH - like carbonates there is more than one 'step' of releasing protons which is what most acids do (well the typical protonic acids rather than lewis etc but don't worry about that)...
Buffering can help stabilize pH though I guess it can also mean it can take a little more work to get it where you want it.

That phosphorus is also in NPK is not a good thing IMO by the way even though it seems like it. Yes, plants need it and usually get it in the form of phosphates but fertilizers have other insoluble phosphorus compounds which slowly release that. Providing too much in soluble form can mean fertilizer OD, on the other hand it also means it washes right out again.

Am not certain about the odds that this kind of phosphate OD would negatively affect your plants, it doesn't sound like you are having serious problems but if you get them and you can't find any other explanation, this might be it.

I'd say you want to control the fertilizer compounds you give, since it is not the more the better. Keep those applications separate. :smile:

Can't think of any such 'side-effects' using vinegar as your acid would cause. Just saw some literature on the effect of sodium acetate on millet (acetate similarly is the anion for vinegar rather than the phosphate) and it doesn't seem like it was bad for it.

Despite this discourse, don't overthink it.

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Re: Coca growers [Re: Solipsis]
    #24543971 - 08/10/17 02:59 PM (6 years, 9 months ago)

It did take a while to get the amount right i was getting nute burn and slow growth for a while, but once i got it right things took off like noones business.


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Re: Coca growers [Re: Solipsis]
    #24545262 - 08/11/17 03:22 AM (6 years, 9 months ago)

Lookin gooood buddy! Mine have all died now. I am so sad. The heat here did them in. I really fucking hate where I live. It was over 100*F for the past two weeks. Haven't had any rain in months. The only time it has been overcast, it was smoke from wildfires lmao!


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Re: Coca growers [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #24550354 - 08/13/17 10:52 AM (6 years, 9 months ago)



Lookin a little week... /:

What do you think


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Re: Coca growers [Re: Alpineswift]
    #24550436 - 08/13/17 11:28 AM (6 years, 9 months ago)

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Lookin a little week... /:

What do you think




Good stuff Alpine. It looks very good.:seriousthumbsup:

Here are mine 2 days ago.


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Re: Coca growers [Re: ferrel_human]
    #24550787 - 08/13/17 01:46 PM (6 years, 9 months ago)

Looking good ferrel


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Re: Coca growers [Re: mrmazdarx9]
    #24551273 - 08/13/17 05:08 PM (6 years, 9 months ago)

Ah shit BBW :frown:  r.i.p. ,those novs.
I'm sure otherwise you could have done a good job with them. Trying again during different season sounds like a smart plan, though maybe you one day face similar issues and might need to go all-in with em them. I don't know exactly how hot bolivia / colombia etc get...


Ferrel, what a beautes!

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Re: Coca growers [Re: Solipsis]
    #24552612 - 08/14/17 07:22 AM (6 years, 9 months ago)

Hi,

I'm wondering if anyone ever had success in rooting cuttings of E. Novo and if yes how long it did take for the cuttings to set roots ? Is it really that difficult to obtain plants made from cuttings ? Thanks :smile:

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Re: Coca growers [Re: DBCOOPERCE]
    #24552643 - 08/14/17 07:36 AM (6 years, 9 months ago)

Most people have no success but we had one member who did
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Irie,
Never had any success with cuttings my self!
Berries are far easier to propagate....
I'll try cuttings again now the bushes need pruning!
Respect,
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Irie, 
Well about 6 weeks ago I pruned back the bushes...
I just took a big stick of it and whacked it in the ground no hormones, nothing!
Well the Mrs was weeding out a bed when I saw this;

So it is possible!
Respect,
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Re: Coca growers [Re: DBCOOPERCE]
    #24552660 - 08/14/17 07:47 AM (6 years, 9 months ago)

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Hi,

I'm wondering if anyone ever had success in rooting cuttings of E. Novo and if yes how long it did take for the cuttings to set roots ? Is it really that difficult to obtain plants made from cuttings ? Thanks :smile:




Ive tried it several times with no success. Dont know anyone who has succeeded either.


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    #24552678 - 08/14/17 08:08 AM (6 years, 9 months ago)

hanx for the input! Trying right now...after 4 weeks still no roots, but they're still standing strong (y) I will keep you updated how it ends!

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Re: Coca growers [Re: DBCOOPERCE]
    #24552709 - 08/14/17 08:24 AM (6 years, 9 months ago)

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hanx for the input! Trying right now...after 4 weeks still no roots, but they're still standing strong (y) I will keep you updated how it ends!





Goodluck man. Ive had them look like that for months and no success. Hope yours do better.


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Re: Coca growers [Re: ferrel_human]
    #24552916 - 08/14/17 10:43 AM (6 years, 9 months ago)

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DBCOOPERCE said:
Hi,

I'm wondering if anyone ever had success in rooting cuttings of E. Novo and if yes how long it did take for the cuttings to set roots ? Is it really that difficult to obtain plants made from cuttings ? Thanks :smile:




Ive tried it several times with no success. Dont know anyone who has succeeded either.




Air layering works. A friend of mine is air layering me some cuttings right now :smile:


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Re: Coca growers [Re: theMallacht]
    #24553005 - 08/14/17 11:25 AM (6 years, 9 months ago)

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ferrel_human said:
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DBCOOPERCE said:
Hi,

I'm wondering if anyone ever had success in rooting cuttings of E. Novo and if yes how long it did take for the cuttings to set roots ? Is it really that difficult to obtain plants made from cuttings ? Thanks :smile:




Ive tried it several times with no success. Dont know anyone who has succeeded either.




Air layering works. A friend of mine is air layering me some cuttings right now :smile:




Might have to give that a try. Thanks man.


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Re: Coca growers [Re: ferrel_human]
    #24553811 - 08/14/17 05:32 PM (6 years, 9 months ago)

Iv just received my berries now.
Whats the best way to germitate them?

Is the ph important in the seedling stage ?

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Re: Coca growers [Re: SalviaGod]
    #24553900 - 08/14/17 06:05 PM (6 years, 9 months ago)


One of the berries is dark red I think I will try germinating it, the other is getting there and it looks like I have one more on the way. This is good as i'm down to one plant at the moment


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