|
Some of these posts are very old and might contain outdated information. You may wish to search for newer posts instead.
|
mrmazdarx9
Pffffttt

Registered: 05/15/16
Posts: 9,796
Loc: behind you
Last seen: 1 year, 7 months
|
|
Quote:
SalviaGod said: Is distilled white vinegar a safe ph down to use for these plants?
When you ph down are you wanting the water you water with to be 5-5.5ph or do you want your run off water to be 5-5.5ph?
I also saw farther back in the thread that people are using 9-3-6 npk liquid ferts, but whats the ratio of ferilizer to water? And how often do you add fertilizer, every time you water? This is all assuming i would be growing in coco coir and perlit as a non nutritious substrate.
I use ph down phoshoric acid and the fert you posted. I use 2.5 ml of nutes to every 5 litres of tap water and use it everytime they get dry when the pot feels super light.
-------------------- COCA GROWERS come here and share your knowledge COCA GROWERS UNITE
Click here for UK trades
need some supplies in the UK check Here or PM me UK OTD uk members chat UK supplies and trade OTD place to chat shit Right Here If you use "SWIM" you should DROWN
Edited by mrmazdarx9 (08/10/17 08:40 AM)
|
SalviaGod
Bad Person, Good Guy



Registered: 05/07/12
Posts: 747
Last seen: 11 days, 8 hours
|
|
Quote:
mrmazdarx9 said:
Quote:
SalviaGod said: Is distilled white vinegar a safe ph down to use for these plants?
When you ph down are you wanting the water you water with to be 5-5.5ph or do you want your run off water to be 5-5.5ph?
I also saw farther back in the thread that people are using 9-3-6 npk liquid ferts, but whats the ratio of ferilizer to water? And how often do you add fertilizer, every time you water? This is all assuming i would be growing in coco coir and perlit as a non nutritious substrate.
I use ph down phoshoric acid and the fert you posted. I use 2.5 ml of nutes to every 5 litres of tap water and use it everytime they get dry when the pot feels super light.
Thanks for the info! Is phosphoric acid just your prefered ph down or is there a specific reason you would use it over other acids? I was asking about vinegar just because i already own it, so its less id have to buy. Is there any reason i wouldnt want to use vinegar?
Also at what point do you start ferilizing? As seedlings, or is that after they mature?
|
mrmazdarx9
Pffffttt

Registered: 05/15/16
Posts: 9,796
Loc: behind you
Last seen: 1 year, 7 months
|
|
I started when they where about a year old it may be a bit too strong for seedling. Im not 100% about the vinegar i use phosphoric as i buy ph down if it contained a different acid then id use that plus phosphorous is the p in npk so cant be too detrimental to its health in my mind.
-------------------- COCA GROWERS come here and share your knowledge COCA GROWERS UNITE
Click here for UK trades
need some supplies in the UK check Here or PM me UK OTD uk members chat UK supplies and trade OTD place to chat shit Right Here If you use "SWIM" you should DROWN
|
ferrel_human
stone eater



Registered: 06/26/09
Posts: 16,590
Loc: Mexico
|
|
I use slow release ferts for mine. But they are a couple years old.
-------------------- Nature is my church and walking through it is gospel. It tells no lies and reveals all to those who look, and listen, closely. -Karode

|
Solipsis
m̶a̶d̶ disappointed scientist



Registered: 12/28/09
Posts: 3,398
Loc: the Neitherlands
Last seen: 9 months, 5 days
|
|
The good thing about phosphoric acid is that it is a multiple acid 'system' and can buffer pH - like carbonates there is more than one 'step' of releasing protons which is what most acids do (well the typical protonic acids rather than lewis etc but don't worry about that)... Buffering can help stabilize pH though I guess it can also mean it can take a little more work to get it where you want it.
That phosphorus is also in NPK is not a good thing IMO by the way even though it seems like it. Yes, plants need it and usually get it in the form of phosphates but fertilizers have other insoluble phosphorus compounds which slowly release that. Providing too much in soluble form can mean fertilizer OD, on the other hand it also means it washes right out again.
Am not certain about the odds that this kind of phosphate OD would negatively affect your plants, it doesn't sound like you are having serious problems but if you get them and you can't find any other explanation, this might be it.
I'd say you want to control the fertilizer compounds you give, since it is not the more the better. Keep those applications separate. 
Can't think of any such 'side-effects' using vinegar as your acid would cause. Just saw some literature on the effect of sodium acetate on millet (acetate similarly is the anion for vinegar rather than the phosphate) and it doesn't seem like it was bad for it.
Despite this discourse, don't overthink it.
|
mrmazdarx9
Pffffttt

Registered: 05/15/16
Posts: 9,796
Loc: behind you
Last seen: 1 year, 7 months
|
Re: Coca growers [Re: Solipsis]
#24543971 - 08/10/17 02:59 PM (6 years, 9 months ago) |
|
|
It did take a while to get the amount right i was getting nute burn and slow growth for a while, but once i got it right things took off like noones business.
-------------------- COCA GROWERS come here and share your knowledge COCA GROWERS UNITE
Click here for UK trades
need some supplies in the UK check Here or PM me UK OTD uk members chat UK supplies and trade OTD place to chat shit Right Here If you use "SWIM" you should DROWN
|
Bigbadwooof
Snitterbundem The Dirty



Registered: 12/07/13
Posts: 14,480
Last seen: 10 hours, 26 minutes
|
Re: Coca growers [Re: Solipsis]
#24545262 - 08/11/17 03:22 AM (6 years, 9 months ago) |
|
|
Lookin gooood buddy! Mine have all died now. I am so sad. The heat here did them in. I really fucking hate where I live. It was over 100*F for the past two weeks. Haven't had any rain in months. The only time it has been overcast, it was smoke from wildfires lmao!
-------------------- "It is no measure of good health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society," - Jiddu Krishnamurti FARTS "The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - George Orwell Every one of you should see this video. "Facts are chiels that winna ding, and downa be disputed" - Robert Burns
 
Edited by Bigbadwooof (08/11/17 03:22 AM)
|
Alpineswift
Strangler


Registered: 10/14/16
Posts: 220
Last seen: 1 year, 9 months
|
|

Lookin a little week... /:
What do you think
--------------------
|
ferrel_human
stone eater



Registered: 06/26/09
Posts: 16,590
Loc: Mexico
|
|
Quote:
Alpineswift said:

Lookin a little week... /:
What do you think
Good stuff Alpine. It looks very good.
Here are mine 2 days ago.
-------------------- Nature is my church and walking through it is gospel. It tells no lies and reveals all to those who look, and listen, closely. -Karode

|
mrmazdarx9
Pffffttt

Registered: 05/15/16
Posts: 9,796
Loc: behind you
Last seen: 1 year, 7 months
|
|
Looking good ferrel
-------------------- COCA GROWERS come here and share your knowledge COCA GROWERS UNITE
Click here for UK trades
need some supplies in the UK check Here or PM me UK OTD uk members chat UK supplies and trade OTD place to chat shit Right Here If you use "SWIM" you should DROWN
|
Solipsis
m̶a̶d̶ disappointed scientist



Registered: 12/28/09
Posts: 3,398
Loc: the Neitherlands
Last seen: 9 months, 5 days
|
|
Ah shit BBW r.i.p. ,those novs. I'm sure otherwise you could have done a good job with them. Trying again during different season sounds like a smart plan, though maybe you one day face similar issues and might need to go all-in with em them. I don't know exactly how hot bolivia / colombia etc get...
Ferrel, what a beautes!
|
DBCOOPERCE
Stranger

Registered: 08/11/17
Posts: 58
|
Re: Coca growers [Re: Solipsis]
#24552612 - 08/14/17 07:22 AM (6 years, 9 months ago) |
|
|
Hi,
I'm wondering if anyone ever had success in rooting cuttings of E. Novo and if yes how long it did take for the cuttings to set roots ? Is it really that difficult to obtain plants made from cuttings ? Thanks
|
Chemical Addiction



Registered: 08/16/11
Posts: 2,020
|
|
Most people have no success but we had one member who did
Quote:
Zaka said:
Quote:
Zaka said: Irie, Never had any success with cuttings my self! Berries are far easier to propagate.... I'll try cuttings again now the bushes need pruning! Respect, Z
Irie, Well about 6 weeks ago I pruned back the bushes... I just took a big stick of it and whacked it in the ground no hormones, nothing! Well the Mrs was weeding out a bed when I saw this;
 So it is possible! Respect, Z
-------------------- Vegetation has crawled for miles towards the cities. It is waiting. Once the city is dead, the vegetation will cover it, will climb over the stones, grip them, search them, make them burst with its long black pincers; it will blind the holes and let its green paws hang over everything. —Jean-Paul Sartre, Nausea
|
ferrel_human
stone eater



Registered: 06/26/09
Posts: 16,590
Loc: Mexico
|
|
Quote:
DBCOOPERCE said: Hi,
I'm wondering if anyone ever had success in rooting cuttings of E. Novo and if yes how long it did take for the cuttings to set roots ? Is it really that difficult to obtain plants made from cuttings ? Thanks 
Ive tried it several times with no success. Dont know anyone who has succeeded either.
-------------------- Nature is my church and walking through it is gospel. It tells no lies and reveals all to those who look, and listen, closely. -Karode

|
DBCOOPERCE
Stranger

Registered: 08/11/17
Posts: 58
|
|
hanx for the input! Trying right now...after 4 weeks still no roots, but they're still standing strong (y) I will keep you updated how it ends!
|
ferrel_human
stone eater



Registered: 06/26/09
Posts: 16,590
Loc: Mexico
|
|
Quote:
DBCOOPERCE said: hanx for the input! Trying right now...after 4 weeks still no roots, but they're still standing strong (y) I will keep you updated how it ends!

Goodluck man. Ive had them look like that for months and no success. Hope yours do better.
-------------------- Nature is my church and walking through it is gospel. It tells no lies and reveals all to those who look, and listen, closely. -Karode

|
theMallacht
Clandestine Hero


Registered: 04/25/09
Posts: 3,428
Last seen: 1 year, 4 months
|
|
Quote:
ferrel_human said:
Quote:
DBCOOPERCE said: Hi,
I'm wondering if anyone ever had success in rooting cuttings of E. Novo and if yes how long it did take for the cuttings to set roots ? Is it really that difficult to obtain plants made from cuttings ? Thanks 
Ive tried it several times with no success. Dont know anyone who has succeeded either.
Air layering works. A friend of mine is air layering me some cuttings right now
--------------------
|
ferrel_human
stone eater



Registered: 06/26/09
Posts: 16,590
Loc: Mexico
|
|
Quote:
theMallacht said:
Quote:
ferrel_human said:
Quote:
DBCOOPERCE said: Hi,
I'm wondering if anyone ever had success in rooting cuttings of E. Novo and if yes how long it did take for the cuttings to set roots ? Is it really that difficult to obtain plants made from cuttings ? Thanks 
Ive tried it several times with no success. Dont know anyone who has succeeded either.
Air layering works. A friend of mine is air layering me some cuttings right now 
Might have to give that a try. Thanks man.
-------------------- Nature is my church and walking through it is gospel. It tells no lies and reveals all to those who look, and listen, closely. -Karode

|
SalviaGod
Bad Person, Good Guy



Registered: 05/07/12
Posts: 747
Last seen: 11 days, 8 hours
|
|
Iv just received my berries now. Whats the best way to germitate them?
Is the ph important in the seedling stage ?
|
Chemical Addiction



Registered: 08/16/11
Posts: 2,020
|
|
  One of the berries is dark red I think I will try germinating it, the other is getting there and it looks like I have one more on the way. This is good as i'm down to one plant at the moment
-------------------- Vegetation has crawled for miles towards the cities. It is waiting. Once the city is dead, the vegetation will cover it, will climb over the stones, grip them, search them, make them burst with its long black pincers; it will blind the holes and let its green paws hang over everything. —Jean-Paul Sartre, Nausea
|
|