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Re: Coca growers [Re: Mateo] 1
#26037083 - 06/06/19 07:08 PM (4 years, 7 months ago) |
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Here's my E. Novo

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Has that been primarily under indoor lighting? What's your light setup if so? Looks great, stout and bushy; plenty of nodes stacked close
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Mine have spent the last year growing in the window ledge putting up with English winter and summer although last summer was pretty hot. Prior to this they had 2 400w CFL grow lamps from seed to 4 years old.
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mrmazdarx9, I would be very intrested what you think of the differences between indoor under the 400W CFL compared to inside the window. I assume you picked a window with good sun.
I had Novos growing inside a window for a period and since 18 months i have had them in growtent growing under a 300W china LED + a 60W CFL and now lately i have them under a dual spectrum CFL 400W in the basement. When trying to judge what was best they certainly grew biggest in the window but they was there for quite a long time. In the growtent under LED and CFL they grew the fastest and even produced berries but i dont have good ventilation in the tent so they got bugs/mites and several big 1m+ novo plants died. Now i have them under a single 400W dual spectrum CFL but i dont think they grow good. Yesterday i put a few Truxillence plants outside in our small greenhouse and also a few inside a window. I think im going to move most of my Erythroxylums outside to a spot that recieves morning sun but are shaded for the hottest part of the day. Some will stay inside a window so i can compare how they grow.
I must build some good ventilation for my growtent. I have a inline fan and ducting, i just need to get my lazy ass up from the sofa and start building the thing. Does your Novos grow good inside the window?
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Re: Coca growers [Re: Mateo]
#26038181 - 06/07/19 10:50 AM (4 years, 7 months ago) |
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I had mine under a single 2 foot T5 HO Flourescent I am in South Florida however and have acclimated them to outdoor sun, however they lost a lot of leaves due to negligence on my part but alive and growing well.
I'm getting fresh soil and a much larger pot for them, I'll update with new pics when I get a hold of a better camera
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Re: Coca growers [Re: Mateo]
#26038407 - 06/07/19 01:25 PM (4 years, 7 months ago) |
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Mateo can you show us some pics of the leaves of your ENVT? Do they look like these?

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I would guess a 2 foot T5 HO Flourescent would work very good. And your Novo looks very fine. Outdoors should be better than any growlight, if you have good climate and i guess you do in Florida. They actually seem to grow better with periodical leaf harvest. After a major harvest where something like half the leaves were picked, they often set flowers and get a growth boost. They need to be something like a year at least to be able to set flowers. I have realized that grow lights where timer is the same always dont make them flower, or at least not so often. They need to feel the difference in daylight time and if one sets a shorter "day" on the timer it often triggers a flowering.
I go take some pics of my Truxillence for you and post.
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Re: Coca growers [Re: Mateo]
#26038659 - 06/07/19 04:07 PM (4 years, 7 months ago) |
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My Erythroxylum Novogratinese var. Truxillence. They are still quite small but grows OK.
   Truxillence
   Truxillence
  Truxillence
 Small Novos badly in need of new soil and pots, i try do it this weekend.
I found out why the bigger Novos and my E.Coca are growing so bad and slowly. They are full of some sort of bugs, mites i guess. Luckily its warm outside now so i can give them a spray then take them outside where natural predators help keep bugs away. I think i can save them.
 Really horrible looking Novo, full of bugs if one look very closely.
The E. Coca var. coca is also full of mites.
    E. Coca var. Coca
The leafs of the E.Coca is usually darker green than this, probably because of the mites. One can see the parallell lines on the E.Coca leaf, strangely i have hard time see the lines on my Novo leafs now, I usually have no problem see the lines on the Novos. Truxillence have no parallell lines on the leaves.
Some other stuff
 My Iboga. I hope this one grow strong and large.
  Kratom and Piper Auritum
 Some Trichos.
I have sadly realized we simply dont have enough sun and summer season here in north Europe for them to grow thick and strong. You can see how thin they become even though i try keep them outside and in sunny windows. Maybe there is some fix for this, i will search around. I rather not run a 2000W HPS with the prices for electrical power we have here.
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Re: Coca growers [Re: Mateo]
#26038809 - 06/07/19 05:38 PM (4 years, 7 months ago) |
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E. novo berries have traditionally be allowed in the Marketplace.
However asking for hookups unsolicited or soliciting requests/trades in the EG is still against the rules.
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Re: Coca growers [Re: Mateo]
#26038923 - 06/07/19 07:12 PM (4 years, 7 months ago) |
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Beautiful plants@Mateo isn't Truxillence clone only? Or is it also grown from seed?
What do you plan on treating the plants with the but problem?
I would love to grow an Iboga tree, perhaps I will get a chance someday..
My E. Novos are 2 years old now, they did flower partially indoors after 1 year but never set berries, I just repotted the 2 surviving of the original 5 I had.
I need to get my hands on a decent camera, I have lots of pics I'd like to take and share here on the EG but I'm using a tablet with a horribly bad camera the lack of clarity is unreal
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#26039357 - 06/08/19 01:20 AM (4 years, 7 months ago) |
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Nice pics, what soil mix you used?seems trux looks like in the herbarium.Does your soil ph stays at around 5 for ENVN and lower for ECVC?

You should fix the mites problem(with any cost,because any other succes you have will be hindered by them). For me the best light was the sun and MH, in every paper i read when they did experiments they used fluorescent tubes, saying is the closest in spectrum to sunlight. I guess you want to use something with a wide spectrum because plants use green light as well and UV is important too. As you see, sunlight inside is different from outside. My ENVN receive few hours of direct sun in the morning, the rest of the day is indirect, low, they do really well, the window protects them from heat.I must admit that my place has the most sunny days in a year, i think thats a big plus, summer and winter.Last time i got 7 berries, found one more after i took the picture, all the magic happend at the window.No leaf picking on the one that flowered, its important for its overall energy, more leaf mass more power to keep the fruits, if you want seeds you should not pick it, only after you got your fruits.



CFL spectrum

This is what they call full spectrum Led, the light looks like sunlight really pretty.You can do a search and find something that fits your needs, i seen no growers here using this kind of lights.Maybe it doest help.

And this is the spectrum.
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Re: Coca growers [Re: Tim0ne]
#26039530 - 06/08/19 05:12 AM (4 years, 7 months ago) |
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Looking good mateo. My plants have been trimmed back so small so they can fit in my window ledge. They were just under my nipples before we moved to this smaller house (for reference im 5ft 10-11 so they were getting quite big) its sad to see them back down to 2 1/2 - 3 ft ish.
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Nice plants. mrmazdarx9, that looks like E.Coca plants. I wish my E.coca could grow good and get large like yours. Maybe it will after i eradicated the mites and it get back some will to grow.
I use ordinary houseplant soil mix, cheapest one at the local food store. I tried many special soils but they didn't grow good. It might probably have been influenced by bugs/mites because everywhere i read they say soil PH about 5-6 is good. E.coca var.coca should have lower soil PH than Novos i read. Before i used Citrus soil and it have a lower PH, maybe i should try it again.
As for the mites i will give them a through spraying with firstly soap water with some drops of essential oil or maybe neem oil. Then i follow up with a pyrethum spray 2 times with some time between sprayings. Ill have to separate the cocas from other plants. I probably can get rid of the mites on the cocas but i have them on my peyotes also. And i have a hard time get rid of them from the cactuses, i dont know why.
I have noticed all stores here have stopped sell pyrethum concentrate, only ready mix spraybottles are available. That sucks because i will need many spraybottles if im doing a large repeated spraying, and they are like 20 to 30 Euros a bottle. I probably find some concentrate online from other country and order. I have been thinking of these predatory bugs. These one can order and they say they are very effective. I wonder if one can "grow" these predatory bugs so i can have a bunch ready if i see any mites in the future. But it might be real hassle and its easier just order some if a bug outbreak if found.
All my Erythroxylum plants are seed grown by me except the E.coca var. coca that i was lucky to have shipped to me from Peru. It came stripped of all leaves and bare root. I would like to have a few more E.coca plants, maybe i get some more in the future. To me it feels like the E.Coca is a much more robust plant, not thin flimsy branches as Novos. Although the Truxillence also seem more robust, strong and with thicker bigger leaves. It would be interesting if the plants in that video a few posts back was a new type. I would surely like to try grow some of those.
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Re: Coca growers [Re: Mateo]
#26040218 - 06/08/19 01:21 PM (4 years, 7 months ago) |
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Yeah mine are e.coca, i once used some pyrethum spray on my coca and it seemed to yellow all the leaves. The other day I found that ants had come up through the wall up the window ledge and come up under my coca pots. The little shits had been using them as an egg store nest thing and i only noticed as there was little soil piles next to the pots. Had to chuck my plants in the shower wash off all the soil back to virtually bare roots and replant them in new coir. Thankfully its been nearly a week and they seem to be doing fine.
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Maybe i should be careful with pyrethum on my cocas then. I have used it before but i dont think its good for the plants. I look into what predatory bugs i can order, that would be the best solution.
Do you use just coco choir or you mix it with something? I guess they would need regular feeding in the water if only using choir. Do you PH down the water to 5-6 something or use tap water?
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Re: Coca growers [Re: Mateo]
#26041224 - 06/09/19 05:35 AM (4 years, 7 months ago) |
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The cross of that new plant is between ECVC and ENVT and here is the info "The E. c. var. coca accession B147RLS is grouped toward E. novogranatense (Figs 1, 2 and 3B). This is of interest because, in their breeding experiment, Bohm et al. (1982) showed that crosses between E. c. var. coca and E. n. var. novogranatense were incompatible, while those between E. c. var. coca and E. n. var. truxillense were compatible. The accession B147RLS, therefore, is likely a hybrid between E. c. var. coca and E. n. var. truxillense"
Someone told me that his ECVC could never produce seeds with ENVN, then later on he added another ECVC and he got plenty of seeds. That fragment says someone should use ENVT and thats how you get the Catatumbo strain but bear in mind that there could be a lot of variations that led to the one in the video but i guess you ll get same results more or less by combining ECVC with ENVT, bigger leaf and bushiness.
Mateo the fate of this new plant is in your hand haha since you got both varieties. The question is whether the pollen from ECVC produced the berries on ENVT or the other way around, i think that is important as well. The easiest is to find seeds from Catatumbo, someone in this forum might live near that place, maybe he will do an effort to speard the love somehow.
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Re: Coca growers [Re: Tim0ne]
#26041262 - 06/09/19 06:25 AM (4 years, 7 months ago) |
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My Truxilence isn´t big enough to produce flowers and berries yet. But time passes quickly nowadays and then i can try put the E.coca together with a Truxillence and try induce flowering. The E.Coca does not produce berries with my novos, i had them flower at the same time and only got berries on the novos (the novos pollinate other novos).
Maybe there can be a cross between E.Coca var. coca and E. novo var. truxillence when my Truxillence get bigger. I will surely try cross pollinate them.
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Re: Coca growers [Re: Mateo]
#26041620 - 06/09/19 11:03 AM (4 years, 7 months ago) |
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Mateo said: Maybe i should be careful with pyrethum on my cocas then. I have used it before but i dont think its good for the plants. I look into what predatory bugs i can order, that would be the best solution.
Do you use just coco choir or you mix it with something? I guess they would need regular feeding in the water if only using choir. Do you PH down the water to 5-6 something or use tap water?
Straight coir or mix with perlite, but ive ran out of perlite so straight coir and all my nutes and water are ph downed to between ph 5-6. Ive heard best to use diatomaceous earth the bugs end up drying out or cut up ive never tried it but if it works then its sounds great. Ive had little bugs in my soil for years with no real issue like i said last time i tried to spray them with that stuff my leaves all yellowed and a couple plants died, my weed plants were fine but my coca didnt like it for some reason.
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That sounds like a good reason not to use pyrethum based stuff. Im going to try order som predatory bugs that kill/eat spidermites. It must be the best solution if it works good. If it turns out a success i let you know.
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