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Re: Spreading the love [Re: mrmazdarx9]
    #25493286 - 09/27/18 02:43 PM (5 years, 4 months ago)

I did once chew some dried fallen leaves. I washed them though and in the process they rehydrated. It tasted really bad, much worse than a fresh quid. I do notice the effects are more significant if you add a little sodium bicarbonate to the quid. But the effects were never overwhelming up until now, might need to collect a larger dose first.


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Re: Spreading the love [Re: DBCOOPERCE]
    #25493311 - 09/27/18 02:53 PM (5 years, 4 months ago)

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Looking nice man make sure you pluck a load of leaves, when you stress the plant like that the alkaloid production increases, and on the flip side if you dont pluck they will lose all their potency.




Any sources which confirm your thesis ? Especially the complete lost of potency.



Search this thread, its not my thesis.




Well, then. I guess it's one of those often repeated myths like with the cuttings that can't be rooted. The increase of alkaloid production when plucking on a regular basis makes absolutely sense but I seriously doubt a total loss of potency in plants which never get harvested.



Maybe hopefully.
I think it was one the coca farmers that sometimes post on here.

Edit: i just checked back and it was me that said it, i had read it in a coca growing book i read online. Ill try to find it, but could be that its bollocks.


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Re: Coca growers [Re: mrmazdarx9]
    #25493327 - 09/27/18 03:00 PM (5 years, 4 months ago)

Solipsis the first time my plants dropped their leaves was on page 2 of this thread just for your reference there are pictures for you to compare.


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Re: Coca growers [Re: mrmazdarx9]
    #25497966 - 09/29/18 11:53 AM (5 years, 3 months ago)

Hey fellas. Been a little while since my last post. My plants have been doing stellar. Even started getting flowers just recently. Until i went on vacation and my plants were neglected by the person i put in charge.

Seems they got fried by the sun and didnt get watered. Two of them are just fine as they missed the path of the sun, but my other 5 are really hurting.

The stems and branches still seem to have some bend to them and the leaves have a little bit of green where they are attached and they dont want to fall off without a fight. Nothing seems bone dry and hard yet except for the leaves. But most of the tips are curled up and black, but still soft and bendy.

Im doing everything i can think of to try and bring them back. Its only been a few days and no real signs of improvement, but i have faith in them.

Does anyone here have experience with bringing your plants back from near dead? Or just generally frying them with the sun?

Any advice is greatly appreciated. The humidity here is above 80% all the time and im misting them and keeping the soil moist with a small amount of ferts.



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Re: Coca growers [Re: bubbaloo]
    #25497991 - 09/29/18 12:07 PM (5 years, 3 months ago)

A sad sight, sorry i hope your plants recover

thanks mr M, but i am still unsure about whether yellowing of leaves before they fall means something or whether that *always* happens before leaves fall (well no sometimes they just seem to fall off rather easily without yellowing).

At this rate i will be losing most if not all (leaves) - but i have put domes over them to see if higher humidity might make them happy.
It feels like the air is getting really dry here from cooling down outside. Makes the ambient temp feel really cold because your skin evaporates so much sweat thereby cooling down. Even when it is 20-21C inside.

I guess in the end the only thing to do will be to have patience with the plants and to keep watering them when the soil gets too dry.

Plants losing potency if they don't get plucked does technically make sense because it could mean that a lack of signals of insects eating the leaves could mean that the plant does not get triggered to protect itself if that is what the alkaloids are for.

So yea it seems to make sense that sometimes you'll want to nibble at the live leaves like a mouse? :laugh:


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Re: Coca growers [Re: bubbaloo]
    #25498166 - 09/29/18 01:23 PM (5 years, 3 months ago)

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Hey fellas. Been a little while since my last post. My plants have been doing stellar. Even started getting flowers just recently. Until i went on vacation and my plants were neglected by the person i put in charge.

Seems they got fried by the sun and didnt get watered. Two of them are just fine as they missed the path of the sun, but my other 5 are really hurting.

The stems and branches still seem to have some bend to them and the leaves have a little bit of green where they are attached and they dont want to fall off without a fight. Nothing seems bone dry and hard yet except for the leaves. But most of the tips are curled up and black, but still soft and bendy.

Im doing everything i can think of to try and bring them back. Its only been a few days and no real signs of improvement, but i have faith in them.

Does anyone here have experience with bringing your plants back from near dead? Or just generally frying them with the sun?

Any advice is greatly appreciated. The humidity here is above 80% all the time and im misting them and keeping the soil moist with a small amount of ferts.





Keep watering as needed has brought mine back every time


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Re: Coca growers [Re: mrmazdarx9]
    #25498447 - 09/29/18 03:24 PM (5 years, 3 months ago)

Thats great news! Thank you for the reassurance, man. Did you feed at all while in recovery?


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Re: Coca growers [Re: bubbaloo]
    #25501569 - 09/30/18 05:31 PM (5 years, 3 months ago)

Yeah i always mix nutes with the water but i 1/4 the strength.
Check back to page 2 of this thread and I did it again a few months back also pictured somewhere on here, both times i forgot to water and left them under grow lights.


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Re: Coca growers [Re: mrmazdarx9]
    #25509540 - 10/03/18 02:54 PM (5 years, 3 months ago)

Awesome, man. Im going to check it out. Thank you


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Re: Coca growers [Re: mrmazdarx9]
    #25509593 - 10/03/18 03:18 PM (5 years, 3 months ago)

So looking at your post, i noticed that you cut off all the black looking parts.

Do you think thats a necessary step?

Also, my leaves are pretty dry and brown, but they still feel pretty well attached.

Is there a chance of those coming back or should i just snip them all off, as well?


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Re: Coca growers [Re: bubbaloo]
    #25511914 - 10/04/18 01:38 PM (5 years, 3 months ago)

I snipped off the clearly dead bits they wont be coming back.


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Re: Erythroxylum  growers unite [Re: mrmazdarx9]
    #25511952 - 10/04/18 01:56 PM (5 years, 3 months ago)

hola
Im living in colombia for a while now and
you can freely purchase natural coca leaves here.

Erythroxylum novogranatense var. novogranatense is native to Colombia...
the colombian coca plant seems to have the highest alcaloid content with an average of 0.77%

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erythroxylum_novogranatense

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Re: Erythroxylum  growers unite [Re: KitchenChef]
    #25512044 - 10/04/18 02:32 PM (5 years, 3 months ago)

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or am I mistaken?




You tell us. You being from the motherland and all. :waits:


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Re: Erythroxylum  growers unite [Re: ferrel_human]
    #25512062 - 10/04/18 02:37 PM (5 years, 3 months ago)

Weird thing to post then post a wiki link with the answer?


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Re: Erythroxylum  growers unite [Re: mrmazdarx9]
    #25512430 - 10/04/18 04:52 PM (5 years, 3 months ago)

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Weird thing to post then post a wiki link with the answer?





wikipedia is not always right.

some articles say peruan and bolivian coca plants have higher alkaloid contents.
wiki says colombian plants.

im not from colombia Im just living here for a while.



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Re: Erythroxylum  growers unite [Re: KitchenChef]
    #25523979 - 10/09/18 09:49 AM (5 years, 3 months ago)

What are you guys using to balance your water? Sulphuric acid?
And do you use litmus strips to test the water, or meters?

My plants still arent too happy looking and I want to begin balancing my water to see if that helps them thrive.
I fed them for the first time two weeks ago and havent seen any real difference. The fish emulsion wasnt that diluted either.
Maybe theyre having poor nutrient uptake because of the pH?
Was thinking to begin feeding every other watering.


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Re: Erythroxylum  growers unite [Re: Acaterpillar]
    #25524001 - 10/09/18 09:58 AM (5 years, 3 months ago)

Any of y'all ever try using peat moss to acidify your water?
I dont have sulphuric acid or a pH meter at the moment, but I was thinking to do a thin top layer of peat moss to give at least some acidity to the medium.
Did some reading and it looks like the runoff from peat moss will be acidic but it doesnt look like it's consistent pH across the board, but rather more specific to the band of peatmoss.


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Re: Erythroxylum  growers unite [Re: Acaterpillar]
    #25524015 - 10/09/18 10:05 AM (5 years, 3 months ago)

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Any of y'all ever try using peat moss to acidify your water?
I dont have sulphuric acid or a pH meter at the moment, but I was thinking to do a thin top layer of peat moss to give at least some acidity to the medium.
Did some reading and it looks like the runoff from peat moss will be acidic but it doesnt look like it's consistent pH across the board, but rather more specific to the band of peatmoss.




Why not use organic nutes? Seems that the Espoma liquid fertilizer acidify the rain water to a low 6. The Alaska fish ferts and kelp ferts also acidify the water.

Or use this.


Ive used it to acidify and check my rainwater and such. Good stuff.


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Re: Erythroxylum  growers unite [Re: ferrel_human]
    #25524227 - 10/09/18 11:40 AM (5 years, 3 months ago)

Yeah I'm using Alaska fish ferts, but I wasn't aware that they acidified the water (since I have no meter).
So do you just give a light dose of ferts every watering so that your water is consistently acidic?


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Re: Erythroxylum  growers unite [Re: Acaterpillar]
    #25524325 - 10/09/18 12:26 PM (5 years, 3 months ago)

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Yeah I'm using Alaska fish ferts, but I wasn't aware that they acidified the water (since I have no meter).
So do you just give a light dose of ferts every watering so that your water is consistently acidic?




Nah man i use the ph down since thw rsin water out here tend to be on the alki side.


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