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Re: Coca growers [Re: mrmazdarx9]
    #25391860 - 08/16/18 08:23 AM (5 years, 5 months ago)

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Dont bother with viparspectra thats a competitor to mars hydro but mine set on fire less than a week after buying it from viparspectra. I use a small tent and 2x 300w cfls my coca and all plants love it




Well i got a small industrial led 'white' from a buddy of mine today. Seems decent enough.


You think it will work mrmazdarx9? Put it in a small box grow type.


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Re: Coca growers [Re: ferrel_human]
    #25392152 - 08/16/18 11:09 AM (5 years, 5 months ago)

Depends on the spectrum of colour im no expert though, id have thought white would have every colour so full spectrum, again i might be wrong. Try it out with something your not too bothered about, as if its too powerfull itll bleach your plants


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Re: Coca growers [Re: mrmazdarx9]
    #25392217 - 08/16/18 11:51 AM (5 years, 5 months ago)

Damn. Maybe keep it far away. Alright
Will do buddy.


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Re: Coca growers [Re: ferrel_human]
    #25392612 - 08/16/18 02:50 PM (5 years, 5 months ago)

Might be fine depends on how strong it is, ive been unlucky with leds. First UFO type one i bought bleached all my plants within a few days, then the viparspectra one set itself alight lol. I do really wanna get a good LED set up and i will try again once i can afford and have the space again, since moving house into a smaller place (to save money on the massive rent our old place costed to buy a house) ive not been able to put up the tent or lights, had to use old mr english summer time which fortunately has been amazing this year.


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Re: Coca growers [Re: MeanGreen]
    #25393838 - 08/17/18 06:06 AM (5 years, 5 months ago)

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Mateo, have you fertilized your trux plants yet?
Mine are starting to look a bit hungry, like they have a bit of chlorosis. I think I'm gonna give them some fertilizer at quarter strength and slowly up the dose.




I did repot the most yesterday.
They needed a repot for sure.
More new soil and ferts will make them grow good.
If you have chlorosis/pale leafs, you can check your soil PH.
They like little acidic soil and if above 7 they can start having trouble taking up iron and other things making chlorosis a problem.
You can also add chelated iron but be careful so it´s not get too strong.


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Re: Coca growers [Re: Mateo]
    #25393854 - 08/17/18 06:24 AM (5 years, 5 months ago)

I had my cocas in a growtent with that MARS LED and they sure loved it.
And i think that white LED you got will work just fine.
If too strong just raise it higher up and if not enough you can add an extra CFL.
I have some of my Trux seedlings under a similar LED and they grow good but i have it quite high up so its not too strong for the seedlings.

One tip, make sure you have some ventilation in the growtent.
If air is still in the tent Bugs will thrive, i had no vetilatrion and had a spidermite outbreak.
It´s much easier to get bugproblems inside so be sure to check for bugs and as soon you see some take action quickly.

Good luck, im sure the trux will grow good in the tent.


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Re: Coca growers [Re: Mateo]
    #25394045 - 08/17/18 08:49 AM (5 years, 5 months ago)

Can erythx tolerate a fair amount of nitrogen fertilization? (I don't mean in an unbalanced way)... cause it seems to me like that would exclude fert presence and pH being the issue better than just adding iron, right? Apart from just measuring the pH of course but in soil like mine that may not be that easy since I have insolubles influencing my soil pH, neutralizing part of my acids..

The way I supplemented elements like magnesium doesn't seem necessarily that bad but it should really be bound to something with as little alkaline buffering as possible.
Chelated forms are the other extreme... these elements don't have to be quite *that* soluble if not dealing with hydroponics anyway. Makes it just that much more sensitive to overdosing like mateo says, and it will flush out very fast as well.

I'm interested in making time-release fert granules myself since this would be another way to solve solubility, dosage and allowing you to not worry about it anymore for quite some time.. maybe PLA/DDGS?

Also is a roomy pot okay for them? I would like to take the first opportunity i can get to repot and provide soil that is a little less extreme in the inorganic proportion.. am kinda doubting that my root development is all that great.


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Re: Coca growers [Re: Solipsis] * 3
    #25396467 - 08/18/18 01:39 PM (5 years, 5 months ago)

Hello fellow friends and compadres
I'm new in these networks
after an absence
I see myself full of coca seedlings
  apparently I have many varieties of coca
some of long leaf and others of wide leaf
I think I finally found a quantity of seeds from e.novo
I am very excited
for the big genetic bank of coca plants that I have
  In my city you find them in streets parks and front yards of houses
  so you can go for a walk with the intention of distinguishing one variety from another
  I have also mambeado these days riding a bike and realize the amount of energy you can have by chewing a light weight of seeds
As you know, things are not good here in Colombia
since the new president has ordered the eradication of crops instead of putting effort in the substitution
or an alternative use to the sheet
  we Colombians often suffer discrimination by this plant
but it is our heritage and it is in our blood.


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Re: Coca growers [Re: abraxxas]
    #25396518 - 08/18/18 01:57 PM (5 years, 5 months ago)

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Hello fellow friends and compadres
I'm new in these networks
after an absence
I see myself full of coca seedlings
  apparently I have many varieties of coca
some of long leaf and others of wide leaf
I think I finally found a quantity of seeds from e.novo
I am very excited
for the big genetic bank of coca plants that I have
  In my city you find them in streets parks and front yards of houses
  so you can go for a walk with the intention of distinguishing one variety from another
  I have also mambeado these days riding a bike and realize the amount of energy you can have by chewing a light weight of seeds
As you know, things are not good here in Colombia
since the new president has ordered the eradication of crops instead of putting effort in the substitution
or an alternative use to the sheet
  we Colombians often suffer discrimination by this plant
but it is our heritage and it is in our blood.




Sucks about your country man but we americans are the problem. We l9ve the nose candy and it all trickles down to you.

Very interesting you can walk around and find coca everywhere. Walk and chew and everything is fine.


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Re: Coca growers [Re: ferrel_human] * 2
    #25396578 - 08/18/18 02:31 PM (5 years, 5 months ago)

I wanted them to see the main differences from my experience with coca plants.
  from novograntense to e.coca.coca var ipadu o hayito
  what happens in a city with as much diversity as mine
You can find coca plants hybridized among some species,
the origin of some of these plants are from the era of drug trafficking
and others of the colonization. being so you can take into account that many of them are many years old.http://






so I've also tried to induce some of my coca plants to bloom
through the fertilization of the leftovers of coffee. rina diuida in water and worm leach.
the latest news is that magnesium sulfate has made some of the leaves more green and some of its branches longer
  Oh, sure .
You can also notice the difference in leaf and seed sizes between e .novo and e.ccoca
  some hybrids have very high germination percentage
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these wild plants are from some of my neighbors and are plants that are in different places of my city (bucaramanga)
which means that holding one or two is not a crime
  in any case the Colombian law etima that 20 coca pl.ants as well as cannabis do not represent a danger if they are food grade
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Re: Coca growers [Re: abraxxas]
    #25396766 - 08/18/18 04:33 PM (5 years, 5 months ago)

Must be nice to hve access to all these plants. Such diversity. Im already seeing some differences in mine. You sure have some very beautiful plants. Very nice Abraxxas.:grampofapproval:


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Re: Coca growers [Re: ferrel_human]
    #25396916 - 08/18/18 06:01 PM (5 years, 5 months ago)

thank you very much ferrel human
 in my tradition it is believed that coca was accompanied by two other plants
 caapi, coca and cassava.
we believe that coca is our woman and we protect it with zeal
many times it helps us think and do hard work
 until now I find out that some people use the coca leaf as nootropic with coffee
but it's a very strong combo in my opinion
combining hayito leaf and coffee is extremely stimulating. the effect lasts about one hour
  anyway
You will see that novo is more bitter and acidic. It has little alkaloid content
but it can be said that the coca leaf does not only have cocaine. has a very good nutritional contribution
 the e.coca or ipadu with which we make powdered coca flour for chewing is stronger, sweeter and more versatile in cultivating
so my preference for e.coca var.lam is for reasons of preference.
now I had a lot of novogantense and I want to use them as a remedy for my legs.
I feel that it has a good analgesic contribution.
coca is used in the indigenous community to be able to think clearly
when we have a conflict we chew to have a healthy and structured thinking ..
I notice a lot of difference between the effects of cocaine and the coca leaf. they are diametrically opposed.
  I have my chagra
and I grow my caapi plants there along with those of coca and yopo.
I feel that they are


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Re: Coca growers [Re: abraxxas]
    #25397091 - 08/18/18 07:19 PM (5 years, 5 months ago)

Man your insights and knowledge are intriguing. You certainly know enough about the plant to answer my questions. I bet cultivation comes easy to you. I have some questions about diseas if thats ehat it is.

Look at these pics and tell me what could be causing this.



Yu are very knowledgable on this plant so i expect you have most certainly encuntered this.


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Re: Coca growers [Re: ferrel_human]
    #25397842 - 08/19/18 07:16 AM (5 years, 5 months ago)

ferrel_human
Do you use any microorganism on earth?
  it looks like when the earth is very silty or sandy loam.
they can be the contents of clay in the soil or if it were too mineral soil.
  so there's nothing to worry about until now.
fertilize organically in the future when it reaches some age.


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Re: Coca growers [Re: abraxxas]
    #25398417 - 08/19/18 12:23 PM (5 years, 5 months ago)

Yeah buddy thanks. I only use organic slow release. Now in this repot i didnt top dress but used and organic liquid fertilizer fom espoma. I wont top dress til next year in april.


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Re: Coca growers [Re: ferrel_human]
    #25398469 - 08/19/18 12:42 PM (5 years, 5 months ago)

about the seeding system that the natives use is as follows
  a chagra is a space where the organic matter past plantings is put together and used again in the other sowings, so to speak, weeds and microorganisms enrquecen the soil
  The lands of Colombia are very arid, so a planting system such as the chagras is a use of space, organic matter and leftover vegetables and animals are used by our plants,
a chagra can be circular, spiral, square, or simply distributed
  the earth that is used is "capote"


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Re: Coca growers [Re: abraxxas]
    #25399121 - 08/19/18 05:29 PM (5 years, 5 months ago)

A very general question, but do by far most plant species root out the stem where a part gets buried deeper, upon transplanting for example?


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Re: Coca growers [Re: Mateo]
    #25401522 - 08/20/18 07:40 PM (5 years, 5 months ago)

i come back 1 month late to this matter, u are right about streets cocaine.but the cocaine extracted by people who know how to do it, with all the tools, equipment and control present in a laboratory, without any adulteration, made by professionals is the same cocaine that its present in leaves, the crystalline essence. the difference is the absorption time and  one tends to take larger amounts when u have the hydrochloride since it makes it easier, then you lose respect. with hydrochloride, the route of administration is fast, u require little quantity since you have the essence of the plant synthesized. but as it is illegal, the doses are not known, and one tends to be carried away by the euphoria. finally, the excess of anything must be paid.


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Re: Coca growers [Re: Teonanacatl2] * 1
    #25402706 - 08/21/18 11:17 AM (5 years, 5 months ago)

Brother, I know cocaine and it's garbage.
 if you go this way you will realize that cocaine will never really be pure
in colombia, ecuador, peru and bolivia there are restrictions in the chemical precursors required in its manufacture, therefore you will never know what pure cocaine is.
Many times what comes out of my country has only been a coca base with a high percentage of adulteration.
 I will not discuss this here.

 Now, the government has resumed the glyphosate fumigations in Colombia, the new mandate of the new president.
 for this the coca growers spread their plants with by-products from the production of panela and sugar
panela is piloncillo in mexico, it is a traditional sweet
 in short, this molases projegen of the chemical product plants.
 also the manual eradications have failed dramatically
for the antipersonnel mines that are held in the fields.
 

 Far from this reality, I am.
 in a city and I make my own chagra of coca plants
 I recently spoke with a coca grower, he told me that the only way to reproduce the e.novo by means of asexual propagation is the air layering.


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Re: Coca growers [Re: abraxxas] * 1
    #25402721 - 08/21/18 11:21 AM (5 years, 5 months ago)

I can say that cocaine is present in coca plants in different percentage, but it is not the only component that the leaf has, it has cocaine alkaloids and other important minerals, such as iron, zinc, calcium, phosphorus, potassium and a nutritional content very high, low in calories from people who prepare tea, bread, desserts, beverages, beers, cosmetics, coca soaps and is a plant of much use, it is a shame his persecution. .


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