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Re: Coca growers [Re: Mateo]
    #25374819 - 08/08/18 11:42 AM (5 years, 5 months ago)

TimOne, so what you are saying is you took a branch 4cm long with a long side branch that was the actual cutting?
So it looks like a cutting with a branch 4cm long at the bottom, like a uppside down T?

That´s an intresting variant, did you make any ordinary cuttings and did the T make any difference?


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Re: Coca growers [Re: Mateo]
    #25374918 - 08/08/18 12:20 PM (5 years, 5 months ago)

Just like here,mine was perpendicular https://www.gettyimages.com/detail/illustration/the-coca-plant-royalty-free-illustration/827219872 , the difference is that it has 2 ends for roots to start, also seems to have more potential( more root mass will grow). The botton part was 4 cm long(and a bit thicker than the stem of the shoot),  overall lenght 15-20cm. Nice hat! There is one online store in Netherlands that sells fresh seeds of C.V.C, they say they ll send from grower, fresh.


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Re: Coca growers [Re: Tim0ne]
    #25374960 - 08/08/18 12:37 PM (5 years, 5 months ago)

That picture in the link is precisely what i tried to explain.
Yeah, it would seem to have more and better surfaces for roots to develop from if cuttings like this is used.
If one have a large enough plant to take such cuttings from as a larger part have to be sacrificed.

I already have E.coca, E.novo and E.novo v. truxillence seedlings.
But i would sure like to have some E.coca v. Ipadu plant/seedlings too.
It would make my collection of Erythroxylum complete, if one not count the lesser active varietys.
I probably start looking for those also soon.


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Re: Coca growers [Re: mrmazdarx9]
    #25374970 - 08/08/18 12:42 PM (5 years, 5 months ago)

Hope you ll succeed! Use CFL, add some Clonex to the water, better less than too much.The humidity its important, there are some propagators with a dome something like this https://www.hg-hydroponics.co.uk/aeroponic-propagator---aeropod-7144-p.asp , you can put a cover on your DWC. If the cutting will be without a cover it will have a hard time keeping alive.


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Re: Coca growers [Re: Mateo]
    #25375027 - 08/08/18 01:06 PM (5 years, 5 months ago)

Thats one way of cutting, if you never trim them you ll not get that kind but you dont really need it, its just better and gives a more strong grow.How tall are yours?Maybe someday you can tell us how the taste differs on each of them and which one you like most.I would like E.Coca for future. How do you manage space? The problem is that you cant have enough of them, you cant even chew once a week.Thats why i showed that greenhouse, i think it will be enough for personal chew.


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Re: Coca growers [Re: Tim0ne]
    #25375067 - 08/08/18 01:26 PM (5 years, 5 months ago)

I had some medium size E.novos before, about 1m tall, maybe little more but they died when i had an spidermite outbreak.
Now i have a few 50-60cm E.novos, a E.coca same size or maybe little bigger.
I also have many seedlings (about 15-20 total) of 3 different varietys (coca, novo & trux) but these are just 10cm tall.

I have a DIY propagator with just same tecnique as you linked, maybe i can use this one..
I even have a couple of spare ultrasonic fogmakers at home.
Here is the DIY Fogponic build link, made by member Micaele that also is a good ethnobotanist.
Micaele´s DIY Fogponic unit


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Re: Coca growers [Re: Mateo] * 1
    #25375086 - 08/08/18 01:38 PM (5 years, 5 months ago)

These plants are amazing. I wonder if i should pluck a few leaves for a chew. :hmm:



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Re: Coca growers [Re: Mateo]
    #25375115 - 08/08/18 01:52 PM (5 years, 5 months ago)

I hope you got rid of the mites forever.The propagator seems great.Are you using lights? When they ll grow bigger make a leaf comparison for us between all of them, does the trux lacks longitudinal lines? You ll get all varieties but what about  Boliviana negra (la millionaria)? :laugh: .They look nice ferrel_human, no need to chew :laugh:


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Re: Coca growers [Re: Tim0ne]
    #25375147 - 08/08/18 02:10 PM (5 years, 5 months ago)

Ferrel, your Truxillence look absolutely amazing.
One just want to pick a leaf and do a taste chew.

Tim0ne, I have different kind of lights.
I have big and small CFL´s, LED growlights, LED strips, LED bulbs and Floro tubes.
I usually use my 200W blue CFL for germinating and small seedlings and when little bigger i use a 450W dual spectrum CFL and/or a chinese LED growlight.
My bigger cocas are outside in the greenhouse now just getting real sun.

The Trux variety does not have the parallell lines and look like E.coca leafs so far.
Same as Ferrels Truxillence seedlings in post above.
They should be more closely related to novo´s but so far they look more like coca minus the lines.
Maybe it´s the drought tolerance that made the leafs little thicker, they do come from a dryer area.
They should also contain more essential oils, thats why coca cola like to use them for flavoring.
C alkaloid levels should be same as novo´s.

I do not have  Boliviana negra (la millionaria).
I guess that´s an south american variety.
They do not count varietys same as we do and have coca varietys like we have wine varietys ie. a lot of em.
Maybe the Boliviana negra can be a genetically modified variant or maybe it´s just a variety that is produced by crossing good plants.
Are you familiar with this variety?


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Re: Coca growers [Re: Mateo]
    #25375198 - 08/08/18 02:39 PM (5 years, 5 months ago)

Hey matt, do your coca have parallel lines on the underside of leaves?


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    #25375222 - 08/08/18 02:52 PM (5 years, 5 months ago)



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Re: Coca growers [Re: Mateo]
    #25375233 - 08/08/18 02:58 PM (5 years, 5 months ago)

You got some lights! I just heard of it online, found some stories https://www.wired.com/2004/11/columbia/ , it seemed to be important for them.I thought at first thats some kind of beast, more potent, bigger, but its just resistant to herbicides.I saw some posts back about crossing varieties, it will be amazing if someone with higher knowledge could increase potency or modify some traits to help it thrive in our climate like any other bush.Can novo, coca, trux cross? If they could its impossible to not get variations, maybe not all in our interest but there is a chance.


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Re: Coca growers [Re: Mateo]
    #25375292 - 08/08/18 03:25 PM (5 years, 5 months ago)

@Ferrel: Your var. truxillense plants are looking lovely and seem to be growing rather fast! I hope my seedlings will do as good as yours! Did you do anything special to combat the chlorosis? I noticed mine were showing a bit of chlorosis a while ago too, but I was a bit reluctant to fertilize them, since they had recently been repotted. Luckily the problem solved itself without intervention.

@Mateo: So let me get this straight, you fear not having enough space to grow all your ethnobotanical plants this winter, but you bought another 50 or so Erythroxylum spp. seeds? :hehehe:

@Tim0ne: I bought my E. coca seeds from a Dutch online vendor in the past, but I guess you're talking about a garden center? Their E. coca seeds are rather expensive though. I like the story about the Boliviana negra, nature finds a way!

One of my 'Amazonian coca' (supposedly var. ipadu) seedlings has shed its seed coat. Most other seeds have germinated by now in the moist spagnum moss, but still need to be planted into a soil mixture. I shouldn't wait too long though, since some seeds have mold growing on them. Luckily it doesn't seem too harmful, and I give them a quick peroxide bath before transplanting to soil.




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Re: Coca growers [Re: Tim0ne]
    #25375336 - 08/08/18 03:40 PM (5 years, 5 months ago)

Ferrel,

My E.coca var. coca does have parallell lines on the underside of the leafs.
My Truxillence seedlings are still small but i see no lines, so far at least.
I got my Truxillence from same place as you and i think we got the right variety.
Im quite sure they are true E. Novogratinese var. Truxillence.

PD,
I sure got me more coca berries and thus, soon more seedlings :smile:
But the Cocas does not grow as extreme as the Kratom do and it will take quite a while before these are 30cm tall, we talk like a year or something.
I can have 30 coca seedlings in 1m2 for a year, that wont be possible with the Mitragynas.
Mitragynas grow so fast that a plant that are 30cm tall now will easily be over 1 meter, probably more in one year.
Also, i will have fewer Mitragynas in a while hopefully.


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Re: Coca growers [Re: Mateo]
    #25375366 - 08/08/18 04:05 PM (5 years, 5 months ago)

Yep so do my e.coca
My kratom i just chucked a few seeds in a small pot and all of them grew, they are still all quite small due to being in a small pot all together, plus i keep eating the leaves as soon as I have enough. Theyre about a year orso old.


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Re: Coca growers [Re: mrmazdarx9]
    #25375441 - 08/08/18 04:42 PM (5 years, 5 months ago)

Kratom grows very fast if given heat, humidity, sun/light and a good soil/medium.
If temps go down they grow slower.
My Riafat i put in a bubbler bucket, sown early this year, is now over 1 meter tall i think.
So they can grow very fast.
Biggest Kratom seedling sown early this year in soil is about 50cm tall.

My cocas grow much slower, much much slower.
I wish they grew faster.


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Re: Coca growers [Re: Mateo]
    #25375458 - 08/08/18 04:47 PM (5 years, 5 months ago)

Mine are about 4 year old now still not very big, although the 2 plants I have remaining i have almost killed a few times and just been lucky they came back to life.
I just got my DWC bubbler thing im gonna attempt some cuttings.


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Re: Coca growers [Re: Mateo]
    #25375499 - 08/08/18 05:05 PM (5 years, 5 months ago)

I was only pulling your leg in my previous post, Mateo. I wish you the best of luck with those seeds! Hopefully the vendor has sent you the two ordered varieties in one bag.

You're right in saying these aren't the fastest growing plants, but I'm finally beginning to understand their preferences and needs. I think my plants have doubled in size the last few months, even though some are already a couple of years old. Their previous soil was too compact I believe. They seem to be taking off now that I repotted them in a more mineral soil with plenty of lava rocks and perlite.


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Re: Coca growers [Re: Mateo]
    #25375555 - 08/08/18 05:41 PM (5 years, 5 months ago)

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@Ferrel: Your var. truxillense plants are looking lovely and seem to be growing rather fast! I hope my seedlings will do as good as yours! Did you do anything special to combat the chlorosis? I noticed mine were showing a bit of chlorosis a while ago too, but I was a bit reluctant to fertilize them, since they had recently been repotted. Luckily the problem solved itself without intervention.






I added some more milorganite. Seems runoff is at the ph i am c9mfortable with. Just below a 7.

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Ferrel,

My E.coca var. coca does have parallell lines on the underside of the leafs.
My Truxillence seedlings are still small but i see no lines, so far at least.
I got my Truxillence from same place as you and i think we got the right variety.
Im quite sure they are true E. Novogratinese var. Truxillence.






Man youre lucky. You got both so try and intercross them brother.


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Re: Coca growers [Re: ferrel_human]
    #25375588 - 08/08/18 05:57 PM (5 years, 5 months ago)

I totally forgot about it, but now I remember you already mentioned it before. I researched it a while ago when I first read about it, and I believe it's an interesting product. I read on their site 'It’s composed of heat-dried microbes that have digested the organic matter in wastewater.' I wonder if something similar exist over here in Europe.


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