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Re: Coca growers *DELETED* [Re: mrmazdarx9]
#25352144 - 07/28/18 11:57 AM (5 years, 6 months ago) |
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Re: Coca growers [Re: JayWise]
#25352509 - 07/28/18 03:48 PM (5 years, 6 months ago) |
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Yeah good plan sounds expensive though id hope cfls pose less of a fire risk with the low operating temps. I only use high power cfls now, well currently our insanely constantly hot english sun shine is feeding my coca.
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First of all you have to choose the right cuttings, the stem should not be woody or green, it should be in between. You can use plastic cups with drainage holes filled with pearlite, wash the pearlite dust off. After you take the cuttings you can gently make cuts along the stem with a razor blade(try without too see whats best for you,use rooting gel if you have). You have to place your cuttings atleast 10cm down into pearlite, place the cups into a trasparent container, a big plastic bottle or a mini greenhouse(cover should be on always), you have to mist them everyday or two and keep water on the bottom of container(just a bit), also you have to vent everyday.After some weeks you ll get roots and u can move into a mix of soil and pearlite 50-50, you ll place it in a small container and cover the plant with a half bottle for some weeks, still have to vent and keep moist.If you pick the right cutting you ll have a good rate of succes.The problem of rooting in soil is bacteria and lack of oxygen. You can use foliar feeding while rooting, just light. I wanted to share this cause it works really well.
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Re: Rooting [Re: Tim0ne]
#25366360 - 08/04/18 12:25 PM (5 years, 5 months ago) |
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I have tryed cuttings many times without sucess but maybe it´s possible. Do you have any pics of this process and preferably what a branch should look like to work as a cutting?
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Re: Rooting [Re: Mateo]
#25366718 - 08/04/18 03:34 PM (5 years, 5 months ago) |
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First post and its a how to using a basic cutting guide undermining the common knowlegde that majority of coca varieties dont take to cuttings. My guess is no seems like trolling.
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One can get cuttings to root but it seems very hard. Also the ones i have seen that were sucessful was thicker, older branches that were put into soil and left there for quite a while. I tryed a air-layering thing before and though it didn´t form roots it looked very promising when i had to remove it due to moving the plant. If i had left it applied for another month or 2 i think it would have been sucessful. It´s a process that seem to take a very long time and keeping the cutting healthy for this time isn´t easy. Thats why i wanted to try layering as the branch is alive and growing during the process. It´s much more easy to get berries/seeds growing than rooting cuttings. At least thats what i have noticed. I would think there is a way to get cuttings rooted but nobody have come up with a good working tec yet.
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Re: Rooting [Re: Mateo]
#25368130 - 08/05/18 12:18 PM (5 years, 5 months ago) |
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Dont have pics, to make it easier for you just use Deep Water Culture cloner or make one(had succes with it too), .Try to take the cut like in this pic(not mine)
The ones that rooted in pearlite stayed in a sunny window and it happend during summer. The roots grow at the very end and were abundant.It starts to form a white bump then shoot roots, if u get that white bump means you are doing well. The roots were not longer than 3 cm when i moved them into pearlite-soil mix. With DWC you cant go wrong. You all tried different methods but never seen any with pearlite or DWC. Also i read that clones cant make viable seeds but the growth from clones is a lot faster.
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Tim0ne
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I failed many times, but many times in soil. First post for the simple reason... joy, when you finally succeed.I guess you ll do the same.
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Re: Rooting [Re: Mateo]
#25368264 - 08/05/18 01:43 PM (5 years, 5 months ago) |
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Try keeping temp between 24-27c, add some rooting gel to the water if you use DWC, if the sun doest help you, CFL might be your best friend. If they lose vigour use foliar feeding. If using pearlite and under CFL the temp will go up and you ll create that environment. 4 plastic cups filled with pearlite, placed in a 6 liter plastic bottle, top cut off and used as cover. Your cuttings in the cups, mist them, wet the pearlite once in a while, vent them everyday and you ll be surprised, keep the temp as i said. One month or two later you ll deal with the challange of growing them. But get there first. The roots are white and easily killed by high nutrient EC. After you get roots, 50-50 soil-pearlite, humidity dome, fresh air, no feeding. Advantages:you ll get as many as you can deal with and achieve something challenging. Dis: No viable seeds(but we are free to question this)
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Re: Rooting [Re: Tim0ne]
#25368317 - 08/05/18 02:13 PM (5 years, 5 months ago) |
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I successfully rooted 3 cuttings, but all died. 1 dried out, 2 got sunburned. I used coco coir. Please show us some pics of your success, TimOne
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So if using a DWC (bubbler bucket), do you keep the ends above the water or do they stick down the bubbling water? Also you just use plain water with some rooting hormone? No nutes of any kind?
I have tried to root cuttings in moist perlite but failed. What is your climate? That might affect this as for example if it´s warm and humid or warm and dry e.t.c.
Almost everyone who tries root coca cuttings fail but there is a small number who get it to work. I wonder what is the factor that makes it sucessfull. I mean many have tried wet perlite and failed, it must be somthing else.
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One of the Mother bush (the other one is recovering from chewing pests, this one needed foliage for the berries.
 This is first generation from mother, not a first but didnt take care of the others and they died

Got some berries

 Now this are the clones, not one or two, but 6 of them so i guess cant be luck anymore.(i choosed the healthiest cuts,no yellow leaves) They did increased in size

 And the following one is the biggest clone but it doest get too much sun anymore(it could do better in the place of the one that got berries), some are out but they get burns from the sun if you dont adapt slowly.
 They dont look at their best but they will, around 7 months since they got roots.They were under CFL for some months while growing bigger roots.If someone will use lights they ll be even better, i only let them use the sun now, window and outside(if under CFL they ll have explosive growth and multiple branching, CFL seems to be the best for vigour and compact-bushy growth(make sure its 150-250w, they ll do ok under multiple 85w cool daylight 6400k. .Temperate-continental climate, hot summers, cold winters, no suplemental lights during winter for the established plants.
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Re: Rooting [Re: Mateo]
#25369325 - 08/06/18 01:47 AM (5 years, 5 months ago) |
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Stick it 2-3cm in the water, you can also keep them above if you have enough splashing-bubbles. My first roots appeared in water alone, no air, but it was taking long, then i tried DWC, got the best roots so healthy, no nutes, and it was placed in a sunny window( no cover on the clone). I added some nutes to that one and killed the roots, from white they turned brown, i guess i added too much that time. Plain water, the worst i had, tap water, residual EC 320, i used Clonex rooting gel, but not always.The best results for me were with pearlite. The temp inside the 6l water bottle got to 25-28C(kept in the window or under CFL, i vent it everyday making sure fresh air gets inside. The only feeding i gave was foliar and it drips on pearlite as well but it was washed from pearlite because of misting. Once a week i throwed excess water from the bottom, washed the algae slime too and place the cups inside. The CFL will heat it enough but the temp should not be lower than 22 when lights turn off(i dont know how 24/7 will work, used 16h ). Why dont you use heated propagator keep the thermostat 25-27, your clones in pearlite, vent it everyday or two times a day, use cloning gel. I had many chances to try cloning cause my bushes gets too big for the window space and had to trim them always giving me lots of material to try.Also i dont get abundant berries because of trimming so cloning was a good ideea(i still prefer seeds just to not lose the potential of seed grow) . Got 6 berries now, getting red, after polination they grow fine inside.The problem out is the temperature swing sometimes, rarely, but enough to slow growth again. They polinated best while outside, i barely got a seed inside, they dont get too much sun cause of some trees, mornings are sunny for them. The best thing is that they dont need much direct sunlight. Imagine this
Might be the best someone can do, the polycarbonate diffuses light really well and you ll not get any burn spots, making a perfect place. Its not cheap but you can chew your oranges when you ll not sniff them haha
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They look healthy, they are not white once they get older. You did well, the medium you use is suffocating, use something that lets air in. You should ve had humidity up and temp as well, enough light but not strong. The container should be bigger, atleast twice and filled with airy medium, pearlite-soil, you could transplant at the moment. No fertilizer, after you see roots in the bigger container you cold put it in rich soil, organic and still grow for months with no fertilizer. No direct sunlight(window its ok), no dry air, just plenty of venting. So you succeded with the roots, lets not say we cant root this anymore. So the key is to have the right temp for its habbitat, humidity dome, i didnt change ph, used tap water and was around 7, you can use rain water and most important fresh air. I looked back to find your post, try again!
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Re: Coca growers [Re: Tim0ne]
#25370361 - 08/06/18 02:44 PM (5 years, 5 months ago) |
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Tim0ne glad you came back sorry about my post this thread has had people claiming to be experts telling us were all wrong and stuff guacamolerabbit was one, so forgive me for being sceptical. Your plants look fantastic, any input you can give to the coca community is very welcome.
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Its ok, i wouldnt believe it as well, it was hard to achieve.I just shared some tips that worked for me and maybe others will make use of something.You can give us an update on your plants,some pics. I looked back on this thread and saw you started it and had some nice grows. How is going with your berries?
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Re: Coca growers [Re: Tim0ne]
#25372764 - 08/07/18 03:14 PM (5 years, 5 months ago) |
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Had a few berries but theyve always dropped off before reaching maturity. After reading your post ive gone and bought a DWC set up to see if that helps me get success with cuttings plus ive wanted a reason to have a play with DWC for a while seems very interesting.
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Tim0ne, you have inspired me to make another attempt at rooting some cuttings. I will try both with E.coca and E.Novo and i will use a bubbler setup.
Your plants look amazing and the cuttings surely looks good. You are certainly doing something right to get this to work. One thing i notice directly is that your cuttings use bigger branches than most have done when trying this. Maybe this is an important factor.
I hope you stick around and share more info on these lovely plants.
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Re: Coca growers [Re: Mateo]
#25374676 - 08/08/18 10:24 AM (5 years, 5 months ago) |
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They were 15-20 cm long when i took the cuts, some had small side shoots, and they are the biggest now. All of them have the same age, the difference in growth its made by the bigger cuttings. The bigger ones evolved faster. I didnt cut a straight down stem on all, i tried to make the end of some to look like an upside down T(4cm wide). They usually form localized roots so i tried to make that T shape at the end for more roots, left and right, they did well. You can try that kind of cut.
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Re: Coca growers [Re: Tim0ne]
#25374810 - 08/08/18 11:37 AM (5 years, 5 months ago) |
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I got myself a new hat 

This one is way nicer than my last one.
 Im kind of confused about these ones as i was expecting 2 different kinds of berries. Novo and Ipadu was supposed to be included, these seems like one variety only. I wonder what these are, i guess i find out eventually when they have grown bigger. At least they are Erythroxylums, that im sure of. I will try find out.
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