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Re: Spreading the love [Re: ferrel_human]
    #25281560 - 06/20/18 05:46 PM (5 years, 9 months ago)

Bloodmeal lowers PH and contain iron (0.2%).
But its also a strong fertilezer as you know (NPK 14-0-0)
It also contains sulfur 0.75% and Ca (0.56%)
I dont know if Ca is good for coca.
It should be added with care in small doses.
I read the effect comes quickly.

I added some to one of my seedlings to see the effects.
Didnt you add bloodmeal to your seedlings when repotting, or was it bonemeal?
Bonemeal isn´t the same.

Anyone else know how to deal with clorosis in coca seedlings/plants?


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Re: Spreading the love [Re: Mateo]
    #25281578 - 06/20/18 05:53 PM (5 years, 9 months ago)

Well in my kratom i used a product known as Ironite. I stopped using it becuase it has has arsenic, among other things that are bad, and switched to milorganite.

Well i recently added a small amount of coffee grounds and milorganite in addition to everything else i added. Come to think of it i may have over done it on thw slow release. Mind you they were all slow release but not when it comes to when it rains. I dont know. Maybe too much water too. It could be anything and ive always been able to combat it. Ill monitor it closely  thoigh
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Re: Spreading the love [Re: ferrel_human]
    #25281625 - 06/20/18 06:15 PM (5 years, 9 months ago)

I guess rain would release a lot from the ferts but dont it get leeched out after a while with much rain?
Well, i hope they get better when it dries up.


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Re: Spreading the love [Re: Mateo]
    #25282271 - 06/20/18 11:09 PM (5 years, 9 months ago)

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I could write a long post but Naum made a good guide that is basicly the same.

A guide to growing Erythroxylum novogranatense by Naum

I hope they germinates good and grow well for you.



Thanks! I don't have any sphagnum moss on hand, but it sounds like I should just leave them in the wet paper towel and wait for them to sprout to about 1cm on the radicle.

Can do :yesnod:


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Re: Spreading the love [Re: Acaterpillar]
    #25282866 - 06/21/18 09:07 AM (5 years, 9 months ago)

I received 3 novo seeds today, but they were pretty dry as they traveled from the US to Europe just in a paper envelope... Didn't take very long though, maybe 10 days. The guy who sent them to me harvested them before sending I believe.
I immediately put them in a glass of water to rehydrate, 1 sunk right away which seems to me like a good sign, another sunk after 1 hour or so, and the other is still floating.

Do you guys think they have a chance to make it?


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Re: Spreading the love [Re: MeanGreen]
    #25282919 - 06/21/18 09:43 AM (5 years, 9 months ago)

The good ones are the ones that sink right away. But try them both. Doesnt hurt to try.


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Re: Spreading the love [Re: Acaterpillar]
    #25283127 - 06/21/18 11:19 AM (5 years, 9 months ago)

They say not to get them dried up.
But try germinate them, i think you have a good chance.
I put them in moist sphagnum moss but moist coco will do good also as will any similar material i guess.
Keep them in a moist/humidified environment in the important bit, little above inside room temp.
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Thanks! I don't have any sphagnum moss on hand, but it sounds like I should just leave them in the wet paper towel and wait for them to sprout to about 1cm on the radicle.

Can do :yesnod:



Never tried a paper towel, i know some use moist coco.
But a paper towel maybe works, if it provide a moist humid environment it should work.
They like higher temps when germinating, i use 25 to 35 degrees C.
35 maybe is little high but it works good.
I simply put the clear plastic enclosure or bag with the seeds and moss under a CFL where i have other seedlings growing, it provides light and warmth.


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Re: Spreading the love [Re: Mateo]
    #25295471 - 06/27/18 05:06 PM (5 years, 8 months ago)

I potted up 19 germinated E.novogratinese var. Truxilence berries today.
I really hope they will start grow nice and strong.
Some got way to long sprouts already, about 2.5cm, but i think it wll be ok.
Still have more berries germinating so i will make another potting up session in a few days.

I love this plant.
I thinking about getting me some idpau berries also, would be nice with that variety.
I read this one should be more of a rainforrest plant.


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Re: Spreading the love [Re: Mateo]
    #25296771 - 06/28/18 10:53 AM (5 years, 8 months ago)

Yeah FH, any ideas regarding winter growing will be appreciated. Mine usually don’t have a problem, but I saw a bit of a decline last winter. This winter my coca and khat will be under a 250W CFL with the HPS spectrum.
Two of my three coca were looking pretty pale, as I hadn’t fed them yet this year. I gave them some fish emulsion and some kind of liquid iron supplement. They are responding very well, and are putting out a new batch of flowers.
I hate to say it, but I’m still underwhelmed with the potency of my plants, and my expectations aren’t even very high.


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Re: Spreading the love [Re: JizzMasterZero]
    #25297127 - 06/28/18 02:11 PM (5 years, 8 months ago)

I think growing conditions have very much influence on potency.
I read a scientific paper where they growed coca and novos in different tissue culture growing medias.
One media, a one very low in nutrient salts made the plants have tenfold more cocaine alkaloids.
Might be worth looking into.

Another thing, i have been watering my cocas with tapwater and i just found out it´s PH 8.5.
I have met it with my old PH pen and PH paper gotten it to about 7 before.
But it is PH 8.5
I woder how this has affected them.
They used to grow pretty good but lately i have had some yellowing of leafs and not so good health of them.

I have ordered a new, hopefully good PH meter with both liquid and soil measuring probes and storage liquid plus clibration liquids.
So soon i can measure PH within 0.01 hopefully.
I might have to adjust my water with citric, ascorbic or acetic acid to get 5.0 to 6.0 ish levels.
I hope this will make my cocas healtier and grow well.


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Re: Spreading the love [Re: Mateo]
    #25299115 - 06/29/18 02:05 PM (5 years, 8 months ago)

Citeic is what i use. Its the only ingredient in the ph-up of my fav brand of nutrients. 8.5 is a little high and though ive never grown coca, i wouldnt give my other prized medicinal plants anything but ph'd water (RO). I noticed an improvement when i switched to better water.

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Re: Spreading the love [Re: Lipa Kreepa]
    #25299221 - 06/29/18 03:02 PM (5 years, 8 months ago)

Yes, the PH is said to be quite important.
I read that the lower PH make the plant better to take up important minerals and compounds as for example iron.
I hope i can fix the yellowing of the leafs by lowering the PH to 5-6 something.

What is the best PH down acid?
I could use HCL but it seem overkill, better use a milder one as ascorbic, citric or acetic acid (vinegar).
What you guys use?
Or maybe you use the PH up/down bottles at hydro stores?
I think it says what acid they use on the label though.

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Re: Spreading the love [Re: Mateo]
    #25299402 - 06/29/18 05:05 PM (5 years, 8 months ago)

The lower the ph the more nutrients they can take in, ph up is NaOH and ph down is phosphoric acid you can buy both of these chemicals much cheaper by their chemical name rather than the same stuff in a bottle that says ph up/down on it


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Re: Spreading the love [Re: mrmazdarx9]
    #25302146 - 07/01/18 07:33 AM (5 years, 8 months ago)

The liquid iron supplements are very acidic.


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Re: Spreading the love [Re: JizzMasterZero]
    #25303116 - 07/01/18 05:55 PM (5 years, 8 months ago)

That seems a good thing for cocas.
They need a iron boost i think, and lower PH, so it´s a win-win situation :smile:
Except for ones wallet of cause.


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Re: Spreading the love [Re: Mateo]
    #25304613 - 07/02/18 02:28 PM (5 years, 8 months ago)

This came today



500 grams of Fe-EDTA (13.3% chelated iron).
It has a PH of 4-5.5 according to the datasheet.
Now i will try use some to remove the yellowing leaf i have been having on my cocas.
I wonder how much of this to add, the seller website didn´t say anything about dosaging.
I guess i have to google it.

I also got some McCrowns woody plant media (tissue culture media for my coming experiments on Mitragynas)
And Gellan Powder (agar substitute), Kinetin and TDZ (Thidiazuron) plant growth regulators.
And also a very nice PH meter with probes for liquids and soilmedia plus calibration kit.

Feels almost like a birthday with all the boxes to open :smile:


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Re: Spreading the love [Re: Mateo]
    #25304915 - 07/02/18 04:48 PM (5 years, 8 months ago)

Mix it up ph it to what you need and feed it your plants. I know i need 3 drops of phosphoric acid in 5 litres after ive added my nutes to get bang on ph5 not had a leaf any other colour than lime green in a couple years. Since its been 30+ °C every day for the past few weeks ive had my plants all on the window ledge and packed away the grow lights. They didnt like it at first, all the new growth died before becoming proper leaves, then it started new shoots and is loving it again.


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Re: Spreading the love [Re: mrmazdarx9]
    #25308433 - 07/04/18 02:39 PM (5 years, 8 months ago)

I found this grafting tec they use for citrus trees called Patch Bud grafting.
I wonder if it would be possible to try this on Erythroxylum?
I would be neat with a coca tree/bush with different varietys on same tree.
If it works one could have a Coca, Novo, Trux and Idpau on same bush/tree.
What do you think?

Here is the video explaining it:
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Re: Spreading the love [Re: Mateo]
    #25308456 - 07/04/18 02:57 PM (5 years, 8 months ago)

Give it a go man im gonna start doing cutting but from new shoots once they get a good size, my thinking is if the new shoot managed to grow from a thick woody older part of the trunk maybe itll be a good candidate.


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Re: Spreading the love [Re: mrmazdarx9]
    #25308480 - 07/04/18 03:12 PM (5 years, 8 months ago)

It would be fun to try.
When im going to cut off a thicker branch sometime in the future, i can give it a go.
The worst that can happen is it don´t work.


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