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Re: Pruning and picking [Re: ferrel_human]
    #25172168 - 04/28/18 05:36 PM (5 years, 8 months ago)

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Would you all transplant these?





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Re: Pruning and picking [Re: ferrel_human]
    #25172345 - 04/28/18 07:19 PM (5 years, 8 months ago)

Thats whats up ferrel :fonz::fonz:


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Re: Pruning and picking [Re: Lipa Kreepa]
    #25172429 - 04/28/18 08:26 PM (5 years, 8 months ago)

Leave em in the trays until you get roots out the bottom.


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Re: Pruning and picking [Re: turtle_hermit]
    #25172437 - 04/28/18 08:33 PM (5 years, 8 months ago)

I was thing that too. Ill put a little bit of nutrient solution at the bottom before i leave.


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Re: Pruning and picking [Re: ferrel_human]
    #25172491 - 04/28/18 09:17 PM (5 years, 8 months ago)

Have you already decided how you will be keeping those seedlings alive during your two-week absence, Ferrel? A bigger pot will obviously retain its moisture for longer periods, but the seeds might still be a bit too fragile to transplant? Normally it's also my rule of thumb to repot plants once their roots grow out of the drainage holes, but my Erythroxylum plants have been in a rather small container for over a year, and they still don't seem to be rootbound. It struck me in the past that the roots were reasonably small for the plant size. Maybe Erythroxylum plants don't have such an extensive root system? Or it could be that my soil mixture just isn't very suitable.


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Re: Pruning and picking [Re: Poison Drink]
    #25172509 - 04/28/18 09:29 PM (5 years, 8 months ago)

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Have you already decided how you will be keeping those seedlings alive during your two-week absence, Ferrel? A bigger pot will obviously retain its moisture for longer periods, but the seeds might still be a bit too fragile to transplant? Normally it's also my rule of thumb to repot plants once their roots grow out of the drainage holes, but my Erythroxylum plants have been in a rather small container for over a year, and they still don't seem to be rootbound. It struck me in the past that the roots were reasonably small for the plant size. Maybe Erythroxylum plants don't have such an extensive root system? Or it could be that my soil mixture just isn't very suitable.




All times i have repotted the ones i had in thw past they were never rootbound but they certainly benefited from the transplant. I doubt i will see roots from here until then, i still dont know what im gonna do. Those cells are really small.


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Re: Pruning and picking [Re: ferrel_human]
    #25173490 - 04/29/18 12:48 PM (5 years, 8 months ago)

I have spoken with a friend of years ago, with whom I started my hobby of ethnobotany, his name is not very well known (kurihuaji ethnobotanicos) christian d'kurihuaji told me that strangely the cocas that I have are hybrid.
In his words he said:
hi look at the little bird is novogranatense
but the strange thing is that the de novo, is the only one that is not repoduced by cutting
the ipadu (Peruvian) and the var coca
the Bolivian
if they are left to be skeletonized
but the true novogranatense, no, and that
they also call him tingo or birdie
] and is small rounded leaf and not lanceolate
of which you have there is none is tingo
Brother, most likely what you have there is hybrids
what the narcos use for their extractions

then, we probably have a hybrid. leaving aside the sociocultural context of coca, in my city there were ancestral crops but without narcos, simply indigenous trubus who inhabited the sector left trees scattered
so I've decided to take cuttings and left in moisture trap along with sage and chagropanga



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Re: Pruning and picking [Re: abraxxas]
    #25173649 - 04/29/18 02:17 PM (5 years, 8 months ago)

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I have spoken with a friend of years ago, with whom I started my hobby of ethnobotany, his name is not very well known (kurihuaji ethnobotanicos) christian d'kurihuaji told me that strangely the cocas that I have are hybrid.
In his words he said:
hi look at the little bird is novogranatense
but the strange thing is that the de novo, is the only one that is not repoduced by cutting
the ipadu (Peruvian) and the var coca
the Bolivian
if they are left to be skeletonized
but the true novogranatense, no, and that
they also call him tingo or birdie
] and is small rounded leaf and not lanceolate
of which you have there is none is tingo
Brother, most likely what you have there is hybrids
what the narcos use for their extractions

then, we probably have a hybrid. leaving aside the sociocultural context of coca, in my city there were ancestral crops but without narcos, simply indigenous trubus who inhabited the sector left trees scattered
so I've decided to take cuttings and left in moisture trap along with sage and chagropanga






So what youre trying to say that my little ones are hybrids? Interesting if so. I have not spoken to the vendor since i got them. Very nice guy. Communication was great.

And let me see if i read and understood this correctly. The way to clone it is to take a healtjy woody branch? Those seem very large to be cloned but then again ive never succeeded in doing so. This is all very intersting.


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Re: Pruning and picking [Re: ferrel_human]
    #25173682 - 04/29/18 02:35 PM (5 years, 8 months ago)

So i fed my babies a light solution of start and i left them outside to clean their temporary home.



They are outside right now. Its 77f/25c. 68% humidity. I imagine it feels like their natural habitat. Maybe.

I fed them this. I think it will help them.


What do you all think of that fertilizer?


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Re: Pruning and picking [Re: ferrel_human]
    #25173701 - 04/29/18 02:43 PM (5 years, 8 months ago)

I think he said that the Erythroylum plats HE had was some hybrids, not the true var. Novo or var. Coca.

The var. Truxillence variety should be the least hybrid contaminated variety as it´s not used in illict cocaine production.
The other 2 (novo and coca) are both used in illict cocaine production and hybridisation to increase alkaloid content is surely tryed quite much.
So seeds/berries that comes from coca fields or have originated there are probably some hybrids, it seems quite logical.
If im wrong, please tell.


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Re: Pruning and picking [Re: Mateo]
    #25173711 - 04/29/18 02:47 PM (5 years, 8 months ago)

Now they say trujillanus variety has the most essentials. So,then why the need for hybridization. How,mich strongwr do,ypu want it? Hell,i had like 3 quids of novo var. novo one time and 3 days later i failed a drug test. That full on cocaine levels.


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Re: Pruning and picking [Re: Mateo]
    #25173728 - 04/29/18 02:57 PM (5 years, 8 months ago)

That ferilizer probably is good.
Didn´t see any micronutrients though but that you can add later when they are little bigger or when you see any signs of deficiancys.
Just don´t use too much, they are small seedlings.

I guess the colombian cartells want the plants as strong as they can possible get.


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Re: Pruning and picking [Re: Mateo]
    #25173757 - 04/29/18 03:09 PM (5 years, 8 months ago)

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I guess the colombian cartells want the plants as strong as they can possible get.




Right on that point.

Well its true what they say of trujillanus. They do not,posses the parallel lines on the underside of the leaf. The biggest ones i confirmed but the leaf is not novo like at all. Maybe its to early to get a really narrow long leaf.


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Re: Pruning and picking [Re: ferrel_human]
    #25173789 - 04/29/18 03:22 PM (5 years, 8 months ago)

Yep, no parallell lines on the Truxillence variety.
Then you have the right variety, congratulations.


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Re: Pruning and picking [Re: Mateo]
    #25173866 - 04/29/18 03:51 PM (5 years, 8 months ago)

Thabks ypu sire. Very noticable but not on these. Lets see as thwy get older how it turns out.


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Re: Pruning and picking [Re: ferrel_human]
    #25174098 - 04/29/18 06:08 PM (5 years, 8 months ago)

I live in a Colombian city that was discovered 400 years ago, where the Indians had a trade with coca leaves, and so in their plots they lived together, a few years ago it was more common to find the coca trees. but then came a very violent whip in the drug trafficking of my city
I do not know how to get to the origin of my coca plants.


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Re: Pruning and picking [Re: abraxxas]
    #25174106 - 04/29/18 06:12 PM (5 years, 8 months ago)

Maybe the magical plants of the ancient aliens. Would be cool to see where it grows wild without the help of man. Im almost certain it couldnt be found.


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Re: Pruning and picking [Re: ferrel_human]
    #25174137 - 04/29/18 06:26 PM (5 years, 8 months ago)

I want to say that I do not know when the hybridization of species occurred, I have seen novo and I have grown wildly in my city. old trees and young trees
Incuso I have obtained seeds from some drug dealers of my block.
his family kept coca plants outside their homes and these were very robust species.
I will try to take pictures of the mother plant.

  For now I have been preparing a place for germination of coca seeds that I have put about 100 seeds and I still have 50, which I have kept in storage in water / peroxide solution, I hope to leave for a few days until I get to give them a space to all.



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Re: Pruning and picking [Re: abraxxas]
    #25174152 - 04/29/18 06:32 PM (5 years, 8 months ago)

Amazing work abraxxas. Goodluck on ypur journey.


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Re: Pruning and picking [Re: ferrel_human]
    #25174182 - 04/29/18 06:50 PM (5 years, 8 months ago)

What's the yellow liquid inside that cup, Abraxxas?


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