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Solipsis
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Re: Pruning and picking [Re: Feroxx]
#25155492 - 04/21/18 02:07 PM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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Thanks guys, yeah will post pic later. As for the iron, if I wanna be really frugal it should be possible to make ferrous ammonium citrate which is soluble. That iron may be the main thing missing from that yeast nutrition, I'll need to get the documentation on that first.
What was the main thing to avoid with Erythroxylum again? N, P or K?
Interesting @ self-watering stakes..
A number of pages back there was discussion on pH influencing and other such things on plants resistance to droughts but I remember being pretty skeptical of the suggestions (which may be the same ideas as here), maybe do a search on "drought" in this thread?
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Feroxx said: for iron i have a bottle w rusty iron stuff in it, + water and vinegar, sun and moving it sometimes may help
You know i read quite the contrary to that. After years of sticking nails in the soil. I just had to google it and as it turns out plants just cant take in iron oxide. So its pretty much useless to do it. I just didnt know.
Vinegar turns it into iron acetate though which has some solubility. You'll want to start out with some iron rather than rust to make it though.. but ending up with brown stuff with vinegar is not necessarily a lot of rust: Fe2+ or Fe3+ acetate precipitates as brown, too. It's the Fe3+ responsible for the brown color which is also present in iron oxide (whereas the Fe2+ part is black).
Ferroxx: I have such an exact same bottle (i used it to ebonize wood), how do you dose it?
Edited by Solipsis (04/22/18 06:47 AM)
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Re: Pruning and picking [Re: Solipsis]
#25157093 - 04/22/18 07:43 AM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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Iron is usually added to plants in the form on Iron Chelate or chelated iron. There is some fertilizer products containing this. I have read Erythroxylums need added iron but havent added any to my cocas yet. Maybe if it was included in my fertilizer.
Epsom salts are said to help yellowing leaf also but dont add too much. Some of my bigger novos have almost died and i did add some epsom salts prior. Maybe it is unrelated but its allways good to be little careful with the stuff one adds.
Ferrel, those Truxillence sprouts look very good. I must congratulate you, you have done a good job 
If you are going away for 2 weeks the best thing is to have someone look after them but if that isn´t possible there are a few things you can do. They will die if they dry out so put them in a tray with water. The stagnant water is a risk but hopefully they can last 2 weeks, make sure the water is fresh when you leave. For keeping the humidity you can have them in a tub. You need to make some holes so the air can be exchanged. If you make the holes too big the water inside will disappear fast and the sprouts may dry out. Things like this is preferably aranged some time before leaving so you can tweek and adjust it. You have them outside, right? I think its better outside where the wind can help with air circulation through the holes. Just check so they dont get too hot from the sun. Too bad you cant get anyone to look after them, this is the most sensitive stages in the plants life. Good luck.
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Re: Pruning and picking [Re: Mateo]
#25157158 - 04/22/18 08:29 AM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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I've had kratom clones sit in a clear box without holes for 2 months without opening it(no air pump). Not quite the same but I wouldn't worry to much. Change the water the day you leave, pop the top on, and make sure they won't get cooked or burnt. You could put an aquarium air pump with bubble stone in the water, I've had worm poop tea keep from going completly'rancid' for months by bubbling it vigorously 24/7.
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Re: Pruning and picking [Re: Mateo]
#25157163 - 04/22/18 08:30 AM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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I only water mine once every couple weeks. But mine are large plants in massive pots. How often do you water them now? Id bring them in somewhere where they wont dry out fast, sit them in a little water andhope for the best. Failing that train the mrs properly or face time with her to guide her wjen your away. Get one of those hygrometers things to check if they need watering. You use coir dont you? You cant over water coir so just tell her to water them till some comes out the bottom let the excess drain off that way they dont get drowned.
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Re: Pruning and picking [Re: Solipsis]
#25157192 - 04/22/18 08:52 AM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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i dont srs dose, but i make sure i dilute it w water until it is quite pale, same way can be done w urine, comes to think that when i lived by a clearing, lots of people walked w their dogs there, and the dogs always tried to pee on the weeds, there is still so much unknown about nature...
Besides i have accquired interest recently in growing mytragina, my climate is very warm and rarely snows, temps tend to be min 5-7 Cº in winter, in summer is very arid, humidity must be very low, but watering the whole garden at night must raise the humidity a lot, what do u guys recommend ?
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Re: Pruning and picking [Re: Feroxx]
#25157233 - 04/22/18 09:15 AM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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I ate a bunch of kratom leaves last night had a really bad cough tried dxm cough syrup didnt work i then assumed as codeine stops my coughing really well perhaps kratom would as i had no codeine. Turns out it worked brilliantly stopped my cough dead and put to sleep nicely.
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Re: Pruning and picking [Re: Feroxx]
#25157266 - 04/22/18 09:30 AM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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Feroxx said: Besides i have accquired interest recently in growing mytragina, my climate is very warm and rarely snows, temps tend to be min 5-7 Cº in winter, in summer is very arid, humidity must be very low, but watering the whole garden at night must raise the humidity a lot, what do u guys recommend ?
Your temps are perfect for Mitragynas but they do like higher humidity. In the wild they grow on river banks and are sometimes even partly submerged in water. They can be aclimatised to an indoor, quite dry climate so you can try aclimatise to your ouside conditions too. If you get a cutting it have to be aclimatised on top of the stress from shipping. Maybe you should try raising some from seed, it isnt hard to do. And they grow fast once they start going. I think you should try grow them, either from seed or cuttings. Im sure you will have success and in your climate they will grow fast.
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mrmazdarx9 said: I ate a bunch of kratom leaves last night had a really bad cough tried dxm cough syrup didnt work i then assumed as codeine stops my coughing really well perhaps kratom would as i had no codeine. Turns out it worked brilliantly stopped my cough dead and put to sleep nicely.
I was drinking last night and ate 4 large krstom leaves. Its was pretty much a blur after that.
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Re: Pruning and picking [Re: Mateo]
#25157692 - 04/22/18 12:53 PM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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thanks for your kind words, i have to plan what stuff i have to do for the rest of the year, i hope it can grow almost as fast as tobacco
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mrmazdarx9 said: I ate a bunch of kratom leaves last night had a really bad cough tried dxm cough syrup didnt work i then assumed as codeine stops my coughing really well perhaps kratom would as i had no codeine. Turns out it worked brilliantly stopped my cough dead and put to sleep nicely.
I was drinking last night and ate 4 large krstom leaves. Its was pretty much a blur after that.
I had about 4 medium sized and 6 or so small leaves certainly stop my cough lol
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It's developing a second flower too! Also, it has finally started growing new leaves again, albeit slowly. I gave the Erythroxylum spp. some freshly harvested worm castings a couple of days ago, so that might have triggered it. They could have just been hungry.
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Re: Pruning and picking *DELETED* [Re: Poison Drink]
#25161497 - 04/24/18 02:31 AM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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Re: Pruning and picking [Re: JayWise]
#25161634 - 04/24/18 05:37 AM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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Anything below 55, ay least in my experience, is detrimental to the plant.
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I think it´s quite sensitive to cold temps. You maybe can aclimatize it to these conditions but then you should do it very gradually over some time. Other members that are growing these outside have better experience what the lower temperature limits are. Is there any way you could raise the night temps a few degrees?
Also a bigger plant will handle this a little better than a younger, not so robust plant.
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Re: Pruning and picking [Re: Mateo]
#25161676 - 04/24/18 06:17 AM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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For the magnesium (and calcium) I am putting some crushed antacid in my soil and to help things along maybe mix some up in acidified water.
For the iron, I took those so-called basic iron acetates I got from putting the iron filings in cleaning vinegar (for ebonizing wood), added citric acid and brought it to pH 3 and am now trying to see if I can use photoreduction by blue light to convert some of the Fe3+ in there into Fe2+. But it is not strictly necessary, the Fe3+ may act more like a time release form. Hopefully the citrate at least chelates some of the iron.
I think it helps that these plants grow in acidic soil, to make these metals less unavailable.
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Re: Pruning and picking [Re: JayWise]
#25161717 - 04/24/18 06:53 AM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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A big pot will protect the roots during the lower night temps. Good luck.
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Re: Pruning and picking [Re: Mateo]
#25164070 - 04/25/18 08:47 AM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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I did not succeed with the previous seeds, they were simply contaminated with a fungus and their growth was ruined. Now I have received new seeds and freshly cut coca, eri. and I have decided not to give in with its germination, so I removed the outer layer, brushed them gently, let them stand in hydrogen peroxide and proceeded to prepare the substrate in disposable cups prepare mixture of, stones for drainage, cow dung (it has high pH and retains moisture) mother earth (of forest) peat of coconut river sand and I have draduado their prcentajes to be able to have the best results, ah and clear that vertically sown So also sterilize the substrate in the oven for half an hour with the intention of killing any insect that feeds on the pod. and I have covered them with film to keep the temperature and humidity

   
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Re: Pruning and picking [Re: abraxxas]
#25165238 - 04/25/18 06:23 PM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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I usually like to germinate the seeds in moist sphagnum moss. When i see the first sprout i plant the berry. But fungus/mold is a problem, i must find a better way. Maybe it´s better to just plant them in coco and hope for the best. Taking away the fruitflesh improves the fungus/mold problems.
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