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Re: Pruning and picking [Re: ferrel_human]
    #25097475 - 03/28/18 02:52 PM (5 years, 9 months ago)

Looking good ferrel
I think more will come.

bubbaloo, I would wait till the plants are at least 80 to 100cm before cutting the top.
They will get bushy.

Also, when the plants are about 2 years and little bigger they get less sensitive.
Then you can periodically pick most leafs.
I pick smaller amounts of leafs all the time, just take the biggest ones every time i water them.
So my plants dont get a shock when most leafs are suddenly gone.
I dont know if this is good or bad but thats how i do.

I have put all my picked leafs in a big glass jar after drying.
I have quite much saved up.
I dont know if thats a good thing but i haven´t decided what to do with them yet.
Maybe they loose much alks when stored this way.


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Re: Pruning and picking [Re: Mateo] * 1
    #25097515 - 03/28/18 03:12 PM (5 years, 9 months ago)

Chew some with bicarb.
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Re: Pruning and picking [Re: ferrel_human]
    #25098611 - 03/29/18 01:45 AM (5 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

Mateo said:

I have put all my picked leafs in a big glass jar after drying.
I have quite much saved up.
I dont know if thats a good thing but i haven´t decided what to do with them yet.







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Chew some with bicarb.
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^^This.


They're still active once dried. I've only ever chewed leaf that comes in teabags and it's awesome.


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Re: Pruning and picking [Re: karode13]
    #25101400 - 03/30/18 05:35 AM (5 years, 9 months ago)

Tea indeed is pretty great (also when actually making tea with leaves) :smile:

Here are my seedlings, they haven't been without a humidity dome for that long. It was recently that I 'discovered' that a nearby PC fan is likely the reason I couldn't easily take off the humidity domes because it was fine when I did it after moving them away.



Not sure what I could do better... first let's see how they do in open air for a while longer..

Eventually I plan on moving them to a 'mycoponics' martha where a mushroom martha supplies the plant martha with humid CO2 rich air.

I might be asking for gnats this way so I should get my rearing of nematodes in order when I wanna proceed.


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Re: Pruning and picking [Re: Solipsis]
    #25101506 - 03/30/18 06:50 AM (5 years, 9 months ago)

Your plants seem to do fine.
When they get little bigger they get less sensitive to changes.

So you think they dont like air circulation?
I got spidermites on mine and i figured it was lack of air cirkulation that was one of the problems.
They were in a growtent and i didnt have a fan pushing air out, it was just a hole in top and bottom of tent.
I figured heat would make air go out of top hole and new air come in from the bottom but it was obviosly not enough.
In the wild they must experience lots of air cirkulation so i wonder if that can be bad.
But plants grown indoors are little special somtimes.

I think it´s time for some tea. :smile:


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Re: Pruning and picking [Re: Mateo]
    #25101551 - 03/30/18 07:24 AM (5 years, 9 months ago)

Air circulation is important, but a fan directly blowing on plants is another thing and I believe I have the same issue in my main growunit (for which I have come up with the idea for a thingy that helps diffuse the incoming air.

Mushrooms are the same: you want air coming gently out of small holes in an inflated air inlet tube (ill have to make all that later when i go for a humidibucket).

I think the point is that if the air is a bit on the dry side for them, they can handle it with indirect circulation, but if it is direct flow I guess it causes too much evaporation as plants are getting actively dried.

If the air has the right sort of humidity for them, air circulation should be much less relevant I think. Just think of a hairdryer: it's not just air, moisture and heat energy are exchanged, particularly if there are significant differences.

Sorry to hear about the spider mites, they really are buggers and I can't believe I got rid of them before and fear the day they return. Lophs are still scarred.. but it should fade in a few years. If only I knew how to survive multiple years without them. Act immediately before an outbreak I guess, and get them all.. women, children, eggs, the handicapped...

I don't know how hot that tent gets but I can imagine you needed a little more air, well in hindsight of course. Lessons are learned, sometimes the hard way!

I haven't touched my tea in years, my scripted dexamph does the same job :smile: So I keep repeating

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Re: Pruning and picking [Re: Solipsis]
    #25101558 - 03/30/18 07:28 AM (5 years, 9 months ago)

I just took a few e.coca lefs and some e.novo leafs.


Mortar and pestle and it looked like this.



I now drink the tea.
Did i take to few leafs?

Edit:
I do feel an effect of the tea.
Feels nice, almost like a small c sniff.


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Re: Pruning and picking [Re: Mateo]
    #25101805 - 03/30/18 09:40 AM (5 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

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I just took a few e.coca lefs and some e.novo leafs.


Mortar and pestle and it looked like this.



I now drink the tea.
Did i take to few leafs?

Edit:
I do feel an effect of the tea.
Feels nice, almost like a small c sniff.




No such thing as a small sniff buddy. :rail:


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Re: Pruning and picking [Re: ferrel_human] * 1
    #25118511 - 04/06/18 02:04 PM (5 years, 9 months ago)

A seedling uppdate.

E.Novo seedlings top & bottom left
E.Coca seedlings in 6 part pot

One can already see that the E.Coca is a more robust plant.
The Coca seedling stems are thicker even though the Novo seedlings are older.
I have more E.Coca seedlings coming.
Should really be fun to see Novos and Cocas growing up side by side.
Novo seedlings are from my own plants grown indoors.


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Re: Pruning and picking [Re: Mateo]
    #25119307 - 04/06/18 06:48 PM (5 years, 9 months ago)

Dammit boy those some awesome littlw seedlings. :grampofapproval:

I left all mine unguarded in their humidity dome. Hopefully the neighbors dog will be kind to them cause that mutherfucker is always in my backyard. :shakefist:


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Re: Pruning and picking [Re: ferrel_human]
    #25119472 - 04/06/18 08:00 PM (5 years, 9 months ago)

Looking good! They're able to shed the seed coat on their own like that? Seems like you're keeping them in high humidity, which probably is a good idea. Did you take any precautions against molds or other contamination? Like using fungicides, peroxide, sterilizing soil mixture..? Are they growing in natural or artificial light, and at what temperature are you keeping them?


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Re: Pruning and picking [Re: Poison Drink]
    #25120023 - 04/07/18 05:30 AM (5 years, 9 months ago)

I hope the neighbpurs dog are good with your plants Ferrel.

The Novo seedling in the pic bottom left i poked a little and the whole seedcoat fell off with the first leaves still in the seedcoat.
One can see it lay on the soil.
I was left with just a green pole.
But it has grown out new leafs, very remarkable, i was sure it was done for.
Now i just spray them with water, they shed the seedcoat without my help.

No precautions against mold, if it gets bad i try replant them.
Maybe i would try something else.
They grow under blue spectrum CFL and the temp gets to about 28-32 degrees C when lights are on and maybe 23-25 during lights off.


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Re: Pruning and picking [Re: Mateo]
    #25140192 - 04/15/18 04:33 AM (5 years, 9 months ago)

Erythroxylum Novo and coca seedling uppdate.

Nothing new except they are a tiny bit bigger.

The Novo seedling closest left seem to have some algae growing in the soil.
I will replant it soon.

I have some more E.coca coming up just now.
When they are little bigger i share some pics of those too.

My T.Iboga seeds (pots on the left) have still no sign of life.
I wonder if these are going to germinate at all, we see.


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Re: Pruning and picking [Re: Mateo]
    #25143761 - 04/16/18 04:34 PM (5 years, 9 months ago)

Do coca and novo readily cross?


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Re: Pruning and picking [Re: myceliups]
    #25143812 - 04/16/18 05:06 PM (5 years, 9 months ago)

They say that Erythroxylum coca var. coca is the ancestor to the Erythroxylum novogratinese var. novogratinese and E novogratinese var. truxillence.
So E.novo and E.truxillence have evolved from E.Coca with time.

Im pretty sure you can cross these without any problems.
But as E.novo can pollinate itself you must be careful to ensure you have a cross and not a self pollination.
In south America there is many local varietys that are results of crosses.
The only sterile variety is E. Coca var. Idapu and this one can only be multiplied by cuttings.

It would be very intresting if i can get hold of any other Erythroxylum varietys and do a try to cross these.
Preferably a very fast growing Erythroxylum would be nice.
One could also make a grafting experiment and graft a E.Coca/novo/trux onto a very fast growing erythroxylum variety.
Since both are in the erythroxylum family, grafting should have a high chance of sucess.
Hopefully the E.coca scion grows faster and the alkaloids are produced in the leaf so quality could be same as E.coca.
So much fun experiments one could do, the possibilities and potential revards are endless.
Keep experimenting :smile:


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Re: Pruning and picking [Re: Mateo]
    #25143844 - 04/16/18 05:26 PM (5 years, 9 months ago)

Thanks for  the info :thumbup: much appreciated!
I have nothing to cross with. Hopefully in the
future.

Are cuttings fairly easy with Erythroxlum?


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Re: Pruning and picking [Re: myceliups]
    #25143847 - 04/16/18 05:28 PM (5 years, 9 months ago)

No, hard.
Or very very hard is more accurate.
I have never been able to root a cutting but it isnt impossible.


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Re: Pruning and picking [Re: Mateo]
    #25143855 - 04/16/18 05:30 PM (5 years, 9 months ago)

Damn. You think trying a small cutting would
be stressful to the mother?


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Re: Pruning and picking [Re: myceliups]
    #25143857 - 04/16/18 05:31 PM (5 years, 9 months ago)



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Re: Pruning and picking [Re: myceliups]
    #25144072 - 04/16/18 07:00 PM (5 years, 9 months ago)

Congratulations, well done.

Is that an E.coca or a E.novo?
Looks like a E.coca but it has much to do with environment.
I also got some berries on my e.novo plants a while ago and the ones that made it to yellow or orange color all germinated and are now small seedlings.
Well, one died from mold but the other 2 are growing good.

I assume you are going to try germinating that berrie and get a new plant going.
It feels good when one has got a new plant going from own seeds/berries.
Well done and good luck with that berrie.

A small branch can be cutted without any bigger effects at all on the plant.
Dont hope for too much though, its hard to get the branch to produce roots.
It can stand in soil for months without any roots coming.
But who knows, some get lucky.


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