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Re: Novo baby cold weather growth [Re: ferrel_human]
    #25061075 - 03/13/18 04:52 PM (5 years, 10 months ago)

You have managed to get some Truxillense berries?
If so, that is very nice, they are not so common.
They are a subspiecies of E.Novo.

Erythroxylum Novogranatanese var. Truxillense

This is the variety Coca-Cola uses because it has much essential oils in the leaf.
A variety tolerant to drought and prefers desert conditions.
Same alkaloid levels and composition as Novo.
This veriety lacks the 2 parallell lines on each side of the leaf that is so caracteristic for coca leafs.


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Re: Novo baby cold weather growth [Re: Mateo]
    #25062078 - 03/14/18 06:24 AM (5 years, 10 months ago)

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A variety tolerant to drought and prefers desert conditions.




This is veru good because i worka away from home 2 weeks a t a time. No pampering here with these. i cant wait to get home.:excited:


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Re: Novo baby cold weather growth [Re: ferrel_human]
    #25063691 - 03/14/18 06:41 PM (5 years, 10 months ago)

Got one berry. It's almost fully red and ripe :smile:


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Re: Novo baby cold weather growth [Re: myceliups]
    #25063773 - 03/14/18 07:19 PM (5 years, 10 months ago)

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Re: Novo baby cold weather growth [Re: Mateo] * 1
    #25075520 - 03/19/18 01:12 PM (5 years, 10 months ago)

Wanted to show you the motherbush of my babies ...



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Re: Novo baby cold weather growth [Re: DBCOOPERCE]
    #25075726 - 03/19/18 02:58 PM (5 years, 10 months ago)

Nice

Is that at the botanical garden?
I see the signs.


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Re: Novo baby cold weather growth [Re: Mateo] * 2
    #25075808 - 03/19/18 03:43 PM (5 years, 10 months ago)

Maybe it´s time i showed some uppdates on my berries.

At first i got a few berries on my novo plants


All but one made it to the point when they were orange yellow or orange

I did put them in small baggies with moist sphagnum moss to try germinate them

After a while, the first ones did

Beeing afraid mold would destroy them i planted them in soil a little bit early

About this time i got delivered some E.Coca berries i had ordered erlier.

E.Coca berries

I put some of the coca berries in small baggies with moist sphagnum moss and a bunch in a glass petri dish also with moist sphagnum moss.
The bags and petri was placed beside my seeds and mitragyna seedlings, where they did get light and warmth, about 30-34 C when light was on.

A third novo berrie germinated and the first one of the coca berries

Novo and coca berries germinating.
I get the feeling the glass petri is better for germinating berries but both petridish and baggie work OK.

2 more coca berries have germinated and it´s time to plant them in soil.

Germinated coca berries in petri dish

I mixed up perlite, pumice, lavarock, small leca and citrus soil (soil for citrus plants, lower in PH)

First E.Coca berrie goes in the hole with tail down.
I then just cover it so it can´t be seen.

Coca berry no2 and 3 goes into the soil.

The soil is very wet at this stage.
But when i put them in mini greenhouse the pots don´t stand in water.
I spray with water when i see soil get dry.


One more coca berry start germinating, can you see the green at the end?


If berries start mold like this, i take them out and spray them with watersprayer

One of my own E.Novo berry had also germinated, my 3rd now.

I must plant this one also


Into the soil it goes, then i cover it.


I put the newly sown berries beside the older planted novo berries and the Iboga seeds in a mini greenhouse seedling thing.


And i put it under the 200W CFL in the basement

The E.novo berries i planted first have come up

Both of the firstsown novos.
As these are from my own novo plants im quite proud of them.


First novo berry that did come up.
It has actually shed the seedcoat but i have no pics from last 2 days.


And the second.

I hope i can show more pics as they grow and hopefully thrive.


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Re: Novo baby cold weather growth [Re: Mateo]
    #25075837 - 03/19/18 04:00 PM (5 years, 10 months ago)

Good write up Mateo. I like your setup. What type of lght are you using? I was able to acguire a bright white led from work. Hopefully it will work for when i grow inside in my garage for winter.


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Re: Novo baby cold weather growth [Re: ferrel_human]
    #25075983 - 03/19/18 05:09 PM (5 years, 10 months ago)

The light is a 200Watt CFL bulb with reflector.
Blue spectrum one.
The bulb is big like a 2L coke bottle lol.

I wonder if i have them too close to the light.
I have an uppdate and a strange thing happen, maybe because light is too close.


This is the novoseedling that came up first, it has now shed its seedcoat.

Now comes the starge one, the other.

Last pics it pointed straight up like a flagpost, now look at it....
I think i better increase the distance to the light.

And the novoberry i sowed i soil in the last post looks like this now

Already bending itself up.
These novoberies i got from my own plants really is wanting to live and come up.
They are full of life and growpower.


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Re: Novo baby cold weather growth [Re: Mateo]
    #25077042 - 03/20/18 06:40 AM (5 years, 10 months ago)

Man they all look good buddy. You are so lucky. Me i leave for home tomorrow at 6 am. Cant wait to go pick up my seeds.


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Re: Novo baby cold weather growth [Re: ferrel_human]
    #25078362 - 03/20/18 05:56 PM (5 years, 10 months ago)

Thanks for the very informative and well documented posts, Mateo. You could say you've gone full circle with your Erythroxylum plants. Congratulations! After reading your previous posts, I'm wondering what the reasoning is behind adding all those different rocky materials? Will they slowly leach beneficial minerals into the soil, or has it more to do with improving the soil structure or maybe with water retention?

Wish I would have read up more about growing Erythroxylum sp. before planting mine, since they didn't really grow too well until recently. Giving them some homemade worm castings and acidifying the tap water made them a bit happier. They're still in regular commercial potting soil though.. One of my E. novogranatense dropped almost all of its leaves and is now slowly recovering. In the process it's pushing out new side shoots. The other one isn't actively growing at the moment and is losing some leaves as well. But they always recover and it's normally followed by a growth spurt.




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Re: Novo baby cold weather growth [Re: Poison Drink]
    #25078522 - 03/20/18 06:57 PM (5 years, 10 months ago)

Your plants look good, the left one is little bit sad but it´s very often like this with novo plants.
My plants look really bad right now, i have started a bug treatment for spidermites and hope they will recover.

The reason i added the pumice, lavarock, small leca and perlite in my soil for the seedlings was i wanted a very fast draining soilmix.
And i grow much cacti and they were just availiable.
I could have used perlite and citrus soil only.
The reason i choose citrus soil, ie soil for citrus plants, is that they like a lower PH soil and i think Erythroxylum does this too.
At least i have read they do.

Erythroxylum seem to drop all leves sometimes, especially if you grow them outdoors and they get colder wheather.
Indoors one can get them to keep them if you have same growing conditions all the time, like in a growtent.

There is so much to learn about the Erythroxylum plants.
As nobody grows them there is very little info and the info that are on the net seems not allways correct.
So it´s basicly try and learn from what happens.
They do seem to stabilize when they reach a few years old and is little bigger.
At this stage they are not as sensitive as they were before.

They seem to be very good houseplants and grows well in a window.
But spridermites can be harsh on them so better try get rid of pests and bugs as soon you see them.
If you want flowers and berries i have found to set light/dark to 12/12 or 13/11 seems to trigger flowering.
Higher humidity seems to help also.

When i had low humidity and only sun from a window i got some flowers but never any berries.
They also must be a year, preferably more to get berries.


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Re: Novo baby cold weather growth [Re: Mateo]
    #25078621 - 03/20/18 07:27 PM (5 years, 10 months ago)

I grow mine in a tent under a 110W CFL light, shared with other plants. While my Khat plants were being ravaged by spider mites, the novo's and coca's didn't get affected at all. Maybe you should get a sacrificial Khat plant in your tent! :biggrin:

What are you using to combat the spider mites?


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Re: Novo baby cold weather growth [Re: Poison Drink]
    #25078925 - 03/20/18 09:33 PM (5 years, 10 months ago)

I just sprayed/soaked them with a homemade concoction.
It´s
1 cork of green soap
1.5 cork of ethyl alcohole 90%
1.5 teaspoons of neem oil
Pytrethin (strength as on bottle)
Fill up with water to make 1.5 liters.
The cork is the top of the bottle that i fill full.
Shake and put in a sprayer.

Now i have sprayed all the Erythroxylums and put some back in the growtent (witch was also sprayed), and put some inside of windows to get natural sun.
I will repeat sprays.
We see what happens.

Have another stronger bug pesticide but it´s for none consumable plants and i might try it if this fails.

They say you can drown spidermites.
Put whole plant underwater for 20 to 30 min, 40 degrees C warm.
But im not sure my Erythroxylum will survive that so im not going to try.
One should put whole plant underwater, soil, roots, pot, stem, leafs, everything.


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Re: Novo baby cold weather growth [Re: Mateo] * 1
    #25080208 - 03/21/18 02:34 PM (5 years, 10 months ago)

Well they finally came in. :excited: 65 total. I love the alpaca hat.


So they had some,mold and i cleaned them up with 4 parts water 1 part hydrogen peroxide. I was able to leave just the seed.


I even foind one germinated already.


So they are all planted now.

Well my,lone plant lost all its branches i believe its knocking on heavens door. Its jist a stick and too sad to post.:sad: Still bendy but im not holding my breath.


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Re: Novo baby cold weather growth [Re: ferrel_human]
    #25080383 - 03/21/18 04:09 PM (5 years, 10 months ago)

Looking good.
That germinated berry will grow for sure.

Are those Truxillence berries?


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Re: Novo baby cold weather growth [Re: Mateo]
    #25080439 - 03/21/18 04:38 PM (5 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

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Looking good.
That germinated berry will grow for sure.

Are those Truxillence berries?




Thats what it was labeled as.


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Re: Novo baby cold weather growth [Re: ferrel_human]
    #25080512 - 03/21/18 05:17 PM (5 years, 10 months ago)

Very nice.

I have E.novo & E.coca, but no E.novo var Truxillence.
It´s a intresting variant with high level of essential oils in the leafs.
It don´t have the parallell lines on the leafs as the other varietys and it is said to be tolerant to dry conditions and even like it.
An aewsome find/purchase.
I hope they grow good for you and plz share pics and info as they grow.
Not many have this variety.


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Re: Novo baby cold weather growth [Re: Mateo]
    #25080934 - 03/21/18 08:28 PM (5 years, 10 months ago)

Ive often wondered if this is the the real deal. Im not easily swayed into believeing things, the seller messaged me saying it took him a while to acquire these seeds. It took more than a month to get.


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Re: Novo baby cold weather growth [Re: ferrel_human]
    #25081410 - 03/22/18 02:18 AM (5 years, 10 months ago)

It certainly is Erythroxylum berries.
What variety you will see when they grow bigger.
But i don´t see any reason to question the info from the seller.
It´s probably Truxillence berries as stated.


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