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Re: Novo baby cold weather growth [Re: MeanGreen]
    #24958888 - 02/01/18 04:58 AM (5 years, 11 months ago)

Unless you already received the berries in it, sanitize sphagnum moss and put in the berries until they germinate and grow a root of just under an inch or so (i think half an inch minimum). If you still have a little while to go peroxide for the sanitation seems smart.

I have just planted them with the flesh on the berries and took it off around the time the seedling is wrestling itself free from the seed. IME chances of seriously bad rotting are not *that* high if you make sure to make the soil moist rather than wet and let it dry properly in between waterings.
Not sure if there is any benefit to removing the flesh even before germination or benefit in leaving it on like promoting certain microbial life. Seems like it may be part of the natural process but as always with these things, you must guard the balance of this microbial life just like with the soil in general.
Maybe this is nonsense and the berries are meant to be digested and pooped out (be my guest if you wanna try haha) in nature, though there is no evidence I know of to suggest that this promotes germination with this species?

There is a bunch of things to always keep in mind with microbial support / symbiosis especially about watering patterns and the pH may tie in but at some point it starts feeling like a dark art to me.

What are signs of spider mites in the case of spider mites? Fuzz if they are the right kind of spider mites for that I guess, but what does the damage look like with novo's?

The latest 2 times I took ETH-LAD i thought I could see reddish or white very tiny bugs and they were all over the place on plants in my grow unit. Seemed real, much more convincing than plenty of other visual effects hehe...


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Re: Novo baby cold weather growth [Re: Solipsis]
    #24958889 - 02/01/18 05:02 AM (5 years, 11 months ago)

Thank you Sollipsis, I did receive the berries in a ziploc bag with moist peat moss in it.
I guess I'll leave most of them in there and just take a couple out to try removing the flesh and see if it makes any difference.


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Re: Novo baby cold weather growth [Re: MeanGreen]
    #24958894 - 02/01/18 05:09 AM (5 years, 11 months ago)

Alright well depending on the transit time, it could be smart to give them fresh sanitized sphagnum moss, though make sure you don't still have significant peroxide etc in there that could harm the roots of the newborns. I remember I had signs that it was a smart move in my case which involved transatlantic shipping.

You can also consider wearing latex gloves for it. The berries tend to be costly and sensitive to plenty of factors that can affect your loss rate, mostly rot related though.

Forgot if i already posted an updated pic, but on the front left you can see my seedling which somehow started way way deep. I was pleasantly surprised to find that it made it topside, already having developed leaves underground teehee


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Re: Novo baby cold weather growth [Re: Solipsis]
    #24959003 - 02/01/18 07:17 AM (5 years, 11 months ago)

Keep the seed hull damp throigh the whole germination. No need to remove berry flesh.


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Re: Novo baby cold weather growth [Re: ferrel_human] * 1
    #24959401 - 02/01/18 11:16 AM (5 years, 11 months ago)

Look at Naum´s guide:
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/20215162

I also use the sphagnum moss in bag method.
Works very well, i got 20 or 21 berries germinated out of 23.
No need to remove anything.


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Re: Novo baby cold weather growth [Re: Mateo]
    #24963277 - 02/03/18 12:27 AM (5 years, 11 months ago)

E.novo can be propagated by cutting also! A round of 4 cuts taken 3 weeks ago are showing promising signs. This botanical can definitely be propagated via cutting, though they seem to be delicate and slow, similar to khat. Currently they are showing swollen nodules and initial roots emerging. Pics will be added as these babies progress!

To all novo preservers: try rooting some of those pesky lower branches! A cloning dome, some rooting hormone, and patience will reward you! Expect 1 month rooting time on these babies.


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Re: Novo baby cold weather growth [Re: nitelife]
    #24963445 - 02/03/18 04:24 AM (5 years, 11 months ago)

I have tried without succeeding.
Both in water and in soil.
I have some branches stuck into soil right now and one air-layering attempt.
I think it´s possible to propagate these by cuttings but it seems quite hard and one probably have to wait quite some time for roots to emerge.


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    #24964037 - 02/03/18 01:39 PM (5 years, 11 months ago)

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Expect 1 month rooting time on these babies.




Never!




My thoights exactly. But maybe his plant is the oddball and maybe genetically predisposed to actually creating roots.


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Re: Novo baby cold weather growth [Re: ferrel_human]
    #24964136 - 02/03/18 02:46 PM (5 years, 11 months ago)

Very well possible that genetic variation could influence these growth tendencies. However, I must emphasize that the cuttings have not yet established, but have shown definite signs of early root emergence. The roots are less than one inch in length, and the plant mass has significantly yellowed, indicating that they are losing energies in generating these roots.

Though I believe they could certainly be cloned, it is likely that the cutting cannot sustain the proper energies while developing a root mass.

Environmental conditions could also influence successful cloning. Humidity was above 90%, temperature ~80F, at 16/8 photoperiod.

An occasional foliar mist with a light feed, such as kelp, could also help sustain these energies as the cutting makes its way to independence...


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Re: Novo baby cold weather growth [Re: nitelife]
    #24965153 - 02/03/18 06:48 PM (5 years, 11 months ago)

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Very well possible that genetic variation could influence these growth tendencies. However, I must emphasize that the cuttings have not yet established, but have shown definite signs of early root emergence. The roots are less than one inch in length, and the plant mass has significantly yellowed, indicating that they are losing energies in generating these roots.

Though I believe they could certainly be cloned, it is likely that the cutting cannot sustain the proper energies while developing a root mass.

Environmental conditions could also influence successful cloning. Humidity was above 90%, temperature ~80F, at 16/8 photoperiod.

An occasional foliar mist with a light feed, such as kelp, could also help sustain these energies as the cutting makes its way to independence...




Ill definitly take all this into consideration for when spring finally makes its way here. I have tried only a handful of times. All with no success. But even still the most ive waited is like 3,months. We have longer hot periods where i live so ill start in march and keep it til october , novemberish.


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Re: Novo baby cold weather growth [Re: JayWise]
    #24968738 - 02/05/18 11:17 AM (5 years, 11 months ago)

Looking very good.
It seems it is now entering the growth stage where it goes from seedling to a bigger plant.
I think it will grow quite fast now and develop branches.
The most fragile stage is soon over.
You are a lucky man, not many have a Trux variety.

Soon you can make your own Coca cola with the original recepie :smile:
Must have a Trux for that.

Dont worry about it cant support itself now.
It will be better when it is little bigger.
But take the support away later when you can, i think it benefits from supporting itself.


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Re: Novo baby cold weather growth [Re: Mateo]
    #24968934 - 02/05/18 01:13 PM (5 years, 11 months ago)

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My solitary var. truxillense finally starting to grow some nice proper green leaves after lots of stunted yellowing crinkly business.

I'm hoping that a very minimal watering regime has helped, it did get saturated when I went away for a week and I think it may not have liked that. Seems to be doing better under my 48W CFL setup than my 125W too, so don't know whether the light was just to harsh for a weak young plant.

Here's hoping it is on its way to a proper established plant in the not too distant future. Unfortunately it has now become top heavy so Im propping it up. I imagine lack of airflow is probably partly to blame. Hopefully its stem will strengthen as it grows?




Looking good Jay. Ive noticed theu all tend to lean when younger until the stem thickens up. Mayne aboit 2 years.


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Re: Novo baby cold weather growth [Re: JayWise]
    #24970625 - 02/06/18 05:38 AM (5 years, 11 months ago)

Ive read truxillense does not have the parallel lines on the back of thw leaf. Dont know how true it is. This is a novo leaf front and back.



You can make out the lines. Some are more pronounced than others.


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    #24971223 - 02/06/18 11:39 AM (5 years, 11 months ago)

E.Coca have the parallell lines same as E.Novo but not so strong.
I have also read truxillense don´t have these lines.

Here is a description of the trux variety from a well known webpage:
up to 3m tall with multiple trunks reaching 4 cm in diameter, branches are dense erect and spread leaves narrowly elliptical to oblong-lanceolate 20-65 mm long; medium to light green above, pale green to glossy green beneath and midrib with slight medial ridge. (No mention of parallell lines. in var. coca it is mentioned)
Climate:
has been cultivated in arid, desert climate and wet montana habitat of Colombia; even more tolerant to drought; prefers desert conditions
Adaptability:
will survive under a wide range of environmental conditions. Resistant to drought.
Comercial uses:
principal variety used in beverage industry owing to its high content of essential oils and flavors-several hundred tons exported to N.Y. for preparation of extracts, used in making Coca-Cola
% Alkaloids: 1.0-2.5 (Novo 1.0-2.5, Coca 0.5-1.0)
% Cocaine of total alkaloid content: 20-50 (Novo 20-50, Coca 70-90)

Your plant dont have any parallell lines on the leaf, right?


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Re: Novo baby cold weather growth [Re: Mateo]
    #24971271 - 02/06/18 11:55 AM (5 years, 11 months ago)

My novo berries were starting to rot in the peat moss baggy so I removed most of the flesh, rinced the seeds in 1:4 peroxide water, ph'd and pasteurized some coco coir (didn't have any peat on hand) and put one seed per baggy.

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Re: Novo baby cold weather growth [Re: MeanGreen]
    #24971385 - 02/06/18 12:33 PM (5 years, 11 months ago)

Have any germinated?
How long have they been in the bag and were the berries fresh?


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Re: Novo baby cold weather growth [Re: Mateo]
    #24971791 - 02/06/18 03:23 PM (5 years, 11 months ago)

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Have any germinated?
How long have they been in the bag and were the berries fresh?



The berries were indeed fresh and they've only been in the baggy for 5 days. Actually probably 8 counting shipping. No germination yet.


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