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Re: Coca growers [Re: mrmazdarx9]
    #24889927 - 01/04/18 02:27 PM (6 years, 26 days ago)

The Pyrsol spray seems to have worked for the spider mites.
I was about to apply another spray today when i noticed this:

:eek:  :dancer:  :dancer:

This is the first time ever i have seen a berry start developing on my plants.
It is on a E.Novo.
Now i dont know if i dare apply any Pysol spray, i really want this little berry to make it.
Maybe i wait a little with the spray.

I have lots of flowers on my E.Coca also but i have seen no berries yet.
I almost thought they couldn´t get berries if grown indoors.
But they obviously can.


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Re: Coca growers [Re: Mateo]
    #24890139 - 01/04/18 04:15 PM (6 years, 26 days ago)

I get 100s and 100s of flowers a year and ive only had 4 berries in 3 years. Indoor grown.


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Re: Coca growers [Re: mrmazdarx9]
    #24890154 - 01/04/18 04:21 PM (6 years, 26 days ago)

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I get 100s and 100s of flowers a year and ive only had 4 berries in 3 years. Indoor grown.




Any of them grown fully and have you suceeded germinating them?


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Re: Coca growers [Re: mrmazdarx9]
    #24890688 - 01/04/18 08:35 PM (6 years, 26 days ago)

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I get 100s and 100s of flowers a year and ive only had 4 berries in 3 years. Indoor grown.




Same here. My buddy says its practicing for when it finally happens. Jist like my tamarind tree. When it finally set fruit its was a lot of fruit.


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Re: Coca growers [Re: ferrel_human]
    #24890732 - 01/04/18 08:58 PM (6 years, 26 days ago)

Tamarinds are nice.
The few berries you got, where they viable, the coca berries?


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Re: Coca growers [Re: Mateo]
    #24891238 - 01/05/18 06:14 AM (6 years, 25 days ago)

Nope every one randomly dropped off before maturity, i was extra carefull to not touch the plant at all so not to shake em off but came home from work and theyd fell off :frown:. The last bloom i carefully pollenated all 60 flowers took fooking ages and not a single frigging one developed into a berry.


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Re: Coca growers [Re: ferrel_human]
    #24891239 - 01/05/18 06:16 AM (6 years, 25 days ago)

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mrmazdarx9 said:
I get 100s and 100s of flowers a year and ive only had 4 berries in 3 years. Indoor grown.




Same here. My buddy says its practicing for when it finally happens. Jist like my tamarind tree. When it finally set fruit its was a lot of fruit.



Yeah thats what i was thinking mines doing, its just now hitting the age ive read they start fruiting although ive had berries from the 2nd year


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Re: Coca growers [Re: mrmazdarx9]
    #24891434 - 01/05/18 08:46 AM (6 years, 25 days ago)

Its at about 4 or 5 years so, no?


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Re: Coca growers [Re: ferrel_human]
    #24891450 - 01/05/18 09:00 AM (6 years, 25 days ago)

My cocas are about 5 years old so i think age wise they should be producing berries, if they had been in the wild at right environment that is.
But in the years in the livingroom window they didn´t grow hardy at all.
Now they grow faster.
I hope someday to get many berries on each plant, that would be wonderful.

The berries, in the wild, are they meant to just drop on the ground to germinate or are they spread by beeing eaten by animals and birds, going through their system and get pooped out somewhere else to grow?


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Re: Coca growers [Re: Mateo]
    #24891464 - 01/05/18 09:16 AM (6 years, 25 days ago)

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The berries, in the wild, are they meant to just drop on the ground to germinate or are they spread by beeing eaten by animals and birds, going through their system and get pooped out somewhere else to grow?




Thats a good question. They turn red maybe to mimick berries. So i assume they are designed with that evolutionary purpose. Thats just what i think.


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Re: Coca growers [Re: StickyIcky Fingers]
    #24891489 - 01/05/18 09:30 AM (6 years, 25 days ago)

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water & neem oil and if folair or spraying then also dish soap. Its gotta be warm to spray or water with it. When it cools off the neem oil solidifies at the top. I have not applied this to coca but its not too hard on cannabis plants.

Keep up with your treatments to avoid a resurgence of the mites and maybe alternate with other insecticides to prevent the mites from building up tolerance to the treatments.




How toxic is nicotine to what stages of growth? And what about a datura extract (the plant itself kills insects on the spot)?
Although I have no idea about yields, it would actually be kinda nice to grow something like the Nicotiana Rustica I have seeds of for the purpose of pest control.


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Re: Coca growers [Re: Solipsis]
    #24891540 - 01/05/18 10:05 AM (6 years, 25 days ago)

My mother used to ask me if i had any moist snuff (tobacco meant to put under the lip) that she wanted to put in some water to leech the nicotine and use this to water flowers that had those small flies.
She said it was very effective and didnt hurt the plant.
Dont know if every plant is OK with this though.

Nicotine is a strong poison, it probably kills more bugs than those small flies.
And its plant made, very nice.


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Re: Coca growers [Re: Mateo]
    #24891834 - 01/05/18 12:50 PM (6 years, 25 days ago)

Been a while. I have some good news for everyone I did some digging and
researching. and found out that epsom salt (magnesium sulfate) is
perfect for keeping the leaves green and vinegar is perfect for keeping
the soil acidic. as far as vinegar goes I simply eyeball a few ml in
5 liter. As for the epsom salt I used 50g in 5 liters and leaves that
were yellow are turning green again which is pretty amazing. there is
a youtube video that explains the process of both vinegar and epsom.

Epsom


Vinegar


and here are some pictures of the plants

First up are some of my clones in the mother tent, I have some more
clones in another tent which are also starting to produce leaf growth



The mother plants. I recently took them back quite a bit and moved them
to a smaller tent from now on they will only be harvested and managed here



This is a leaf that shows how the epsom salts are affecting the yellowing
the yellowing is starting to be reversed. I will continue to watch the
regreening process and post pictures of the healthy state



test picture:


I do not know if the Mycorrhiza has survived the vinegar and salt flushing
I might dig up some of the top soil to check if it is still there usually
you can see it by lots of little cotton type structures and tree like nets
veining throughout the dirt.


Sadly my aeroponics setup got clogged up with bacteria and gunk so I
replaced it with my fogger which promptly packed up after a couple of
weeks. Ordered a new one from China... because the results were very
promising!



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Re: Coca growers [Re: Cocalero]
    #24892092 - 01/05/18 03:15 PM (6 years, 25 days ago)

Hi there

I try the epsom salt for my yellowing leafs but i think the spider mites i discovered has a part in it too.
Sprayed them with Pysol spray a second time, hope it helps.

Already using vinegar to PH down my tapwater but maybee i can increase the amount.
A soil PH meter shows i have somewhere around 6.5 to 6.8 PH in the soil.
This is to high i think so more vinegar next time.

Have the clones produced any roots?

Thanks for info and nice plants.

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Re: Coca growers [Re: Mateo]
    #24893249 - 01/06/18 12:47 AM (6 years, 24 days ago)

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Have the clones produced any roots?





Would like to know that too. I recently checked one of my 5 months old cuttings that had lost all of its leaves. No signs of roots. It was producing new leaves as well but lost em all due to leaving it on the heating without its humidity dome.


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Re: Coca growers [Re: ferrel_human]
    #24893269 - 01/06/18 01:20 AM (6 years, 24 days ago)

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Its at about 4 or 5 years so, no?



Yep


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Re: Coca growers [Re: mrmazdarx9]
    #24893520 - 01/06/18 06:40 AM (6 years, 24 days ago)

They are not easy to reproduce by cuttings.
But i have read the big growers in south america is switching from seeds to cuttings  because it goes much faster to get harvestable plants.
I wonder how they do it.

When i get the plant hormones i ordered i will try some experiments.

I also have an ongoing air-layering experinment.
If it works it post about it.


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Re: Coca growers [Re: Mateo]
    #24893614 - 01/06/18 07:42 AM (6 years, 24 days ago)

Theres a variety that can only be cultivated by cuttings the rest they use seed


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Re: Coca growers [Re: Cocalero]
    #24893634 - 01/06/18 07:57 AM (6 years, 24 days ago)

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Cocalero said:
Been a while. I have some good news for everyone I did some digging and
researching. and found out that epsom salt (magnesium sulfate) is
perfect for keeping the leaves green and vinegar is perfect for keeping
the soil acidic. as far as vinegar goes I simply eyeball a few ml in
5 liter. As for the epsom salt I used 50g in 5 liters and leaves that
were yellow are turning green again which is pretty amazing. there is
a youtube video that explains the process of both vinegar and epsom.

Epsom


Vinegar


and here are some pictures of the plants

First up are some of my clones in the mother tent, I have some more
clones in another tent which are also starting to produce leaf growth



The mother plants. I recently took them back quite a bit and moved them
to a smaller tent from now on they will only be harvested and managed here



This is a leaf that shows how the epsom salts are affecting the yellowing
the yellowing is starting to be reversed. I will continue to watch the
regreening process and post pictures of the healthy state



test picture:


I do not know if the Mycorrhiza has survived the vinegar and salt flushing
I might dig up some of the top soil to check if it is still there usually
you can see it by lots of little cotton type structures and tree like nets
veining throughout the dirt.


Sadly my aeroponics setup got clogged up with bacteria and gunk so I
replaced it with my fogger which promptly packed up after a couple of
weeks. Ordered a new one from China... because the results were very
promising!






I usually top dress with epsom salts and ironite granules.

So what would the appropriate ph for the water to be, something like 5.6? Im working on acquirimg a very good ph meter recommended to me by themallacht. Its almost essential when you grow.

Right now i jist nee more stable outdoor temps. So i cant take my beauty and the beast outside.

Thanks for the info cocalero. :grampofapproval:


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Re: Coca growers [Re: ferrel_human]
    #24893838 - 01/06/18 10:17 AM (6 years, 24 days ago)

An good acurate PH meter is gold worth.
And there is so much bad ones out there, even some of the more expensive ones is no good.
I have a digital one but to get accurate readings i need to calibrate it every time before i use it.
And i dont trust it to be very accurate but it will have to do.
I also use both PH-paper strips and a PH measure kit where one use a few drops of a reagent and compare colors to a chart.

Ferrel, if you find a good PH meter plz show us, i would be intrested if the price is right.

The coca variety "Erythroxylum Coca var. Ipadu" is grown in the amazon basin and can only be propagated by cuttings.
But this is a quite rare coca variety.
I have read that the growers producing leafs for cocaine production in Colombia and Peru and starting to use cuttings for propagating coca bushes instead of seed.
This should cut down the time to get a producing coca bush.

So cuttings are a viable method of producing coca plants, not only var Ipadu.
I will try find where this info was found, but it was in one of the bigger coca "books".


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