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Re: Coca growers [Re: mrmazdarx9]
    #24865662 - 12/24/17 10:12 AM (6 years, 1 month ago)

Damn, I don't even want to do all these plants but I want to grow every new one I hear about!


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Re: Coca growers [Re: Psilosion]
    #24866098 - 12/24/17 02:24 PM (6 years, 1 month ago)

^It's a terrible addiction, there's no rehab... :smile:


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Re: Coca growers [Re: bubbaloo]
    #24867236 - 12/25/17 07:41 AM (6 years, 1 month ago)

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bubbaloo said:
At what point do you guys decide to transplant? I think mine are getting close, but i figured i would get opinions.

I think they're close to 8 months now. Mostly asking because they seem to be getting big but im still not seeing any roots pop out yet. Most of them are about twice the size of my pots or more.

Quart jar is there for size comparison. What do you guys think?






Those are beautiful bubbaloo. :grampofapproval:


Novos? Id transplant into one gallons. Thwats just me.


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Re: Coca growers [Re: ferrel_human]
    #24867818 - 12/25/17 01:47 PM (6 years, 1 month ago)

Thank ya ferrel. These ones are E. Coca.  They're just starting to get to that point where they're popping up 2 new leaves almost every week. Its such a huge relief to finally see them growing faster. I feel like once i get them transplanted and outside they are going to take off. And then its smooth sailing.

Gallon pots sounds like a decent step from here. You think they are ready now though? I havent seen any other advice on when to transplant except for waiting for them to be rootbound. Which i dont think these are yet, as there are no signs of roots anywhere oustide the pot.


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Re: Coca growers [Re: ferrel_human]
    #24868037 - 12/25/17 04:08 PM (6 years, 1 month ago)

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bubbaloo said:
At what point do you guys decide to transplant? I think mine are getting close, but i figured i would get opinions.

I think they're close to 8 months now. Mostly asking because they seem to be getting big but im still not seeing any roots pop out yet. Most of them are about twice the size of my pots or more.

Quart jar is there for size comparison. What do you guys think?






Those are beautiful bubbaloo. :grampofapproval:


Novos? Id transplant into one gallons. Thwats just me.




Wow, those leaves are significantly larger! I didn't realize..


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Re: Coca growers [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #24868084 - 12/25/17 04:58 PM (6 years, 1 month ago)

Larger than novos? Yeah it seems that way. I havent seen any in person but from what im gathering here, the novos are smaller but more abundant


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Re: Coca growers [Re: Solipsis]
    #24868102 - 12/25/17 05:21 PM (6 years, 1 month ago)

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^It's a terrible addiction, there's no rehab... :smile:




Especially if you experience depression/drug binging frequently enough that you don't take very good care of them for a couple months and they die.


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Re: Coca growers [Re: Acaterpillar]
    #24868123 - 12/25/17 05:42 PM (6 years, 1 month ago)

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Have you had any success in finding ideal mixes/ratios of hormones and nutrients for micropropagation?
I would be very interested in any information you find on the subject. :strokebeard:




I have been very busy with family during christmas so i havent really had time to look into TC so much.
However, i have done some searching and fast overview reading about tissue culturing.
This is an area i have no experience with whatsoever but it seem intresting.
In fact, it seemed so intesting i ordered some things to get me started eventually.

Murashige and Skoog (MS) medium
BAP, plant hormone
NAA, plant hormone
IBA, rooting hormone
Smaller type sterile petris

I guess i try some medium recepies that other people have tried on other plants for starters.
I figure it might be hard to get some info regarding tissue culturing specifically on E.Coca or E.Novos.

There are many books on the subject of tissue culturing and much info online, but i havent had any time to spend.
This thread is about TC, mostly regarding cactus and Lophophoras.
There are some linked PDFs in the thread with mixes/ratios for other plants.
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/10803981/fpart/all/vc/1

TC seems very intresting, i will at least make some simpler experimentation.

Edit:
Maybee info about tissue culture with E.Coca wasn´t so hard to find:
Influence of medium and elicitors on the production of cocaine, amino acids and phytohormones by Erythroxylum coca calli


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Re: Coca growers [Re: Mateo]
    #24869826 - 12/26/17 04:48 PM (6 years, 1 month ago)

Science paper about how the alcaloids are produced within Erythroxylum coca.
If anyone is intrested.

Tropane and Granatane Alkaloid Biosynthesis


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Re: Coca growers [Re: Mateo]
    #24870007 - 12/26/17 06:26 PM (6 years, 1 month ago)

A little uppdate on my darlings.
The move into growtent, changed lighttype, lightcycle and humidifier seems to have effect.
Water PH and fertilizing also changed.

Flowers are beginning to develop on Novo.


Flowers on Novo´s. Worried about thin spiderweb on first Novo pic. :sad:

Coca

There are flowers comin in numbers everywhere, and new growth/leaves also.

More Coca

Never had so much flowers on this E.Coca developing before.
She still drops wellowing big leaves sometime but so many new ones are developing so i hope it will turn out fine.
I have started artificially pollinate with a q-tip but i have separate q-tips for Novos and Coca so they dont mix.
Maybee, just maybee it will work this time and i get some berries...

Little worried about the spiderweb on the E.Novo.
If i see small signs, there are probably many bugs that have to be dealt with.
I dont want use some nasty chemical, amy ideas what i could use?
Spray with soap-water maybee, or find something non toxic to the plant (and me :smile:)


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Re: Coca growers [Re: Mateo] * 1
    #24870924 - 12/27/17 07:17 AM (6 years, 1 month ago)

Spider webs may be from spiders or spider mites. Why don't you check by shaking the plants above pieces of white paper to see if spider mites fall off possibly visible as 'pepper' (though they exist in different colors and by the way not all create webs I think)?
But yes if you can confirm it, treat in an early stage. Pyrethrins can be an effective treatment for the adults but don't affect the eggs and you cannot keep treating with it. So use as adjunct to soapy water (there are things you can add to it) which should work as more regular treatment to keep them at bay.

Especially if you are too late for an outbreak indoors you may not be able to get rid of spider mites.


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Re: Coca growers [Re: Solipsis]
    #24871063 - 12/27/17 09:03 AM (6 years, 1 month ago)

Not good.
And i dont really want shake my plants right now as i am hand pollinating the flowers and the flowers are sensitive.

I would really want some confirmation somehow but it sure looks like a web of some sort in the pic.
Can i use microscope/magnification and if so what do i look for?
I guess there will always be some things showing if one looks close enough, but witch ones are the evil ones?
I try a simple google and see what comes up.
I can spray with soap-water a few times per day if i have some sort of bugs/mites.

Why cant a simple, kind and good looking botany interested hobby grower be left alone from these evil, awful and vicious things?


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Re: Coca growers [Re: Mateo]
    #24872940 - 12/28/17 08:34 AM (6 years, 1 month ago)

Currently 6 celcius or 44 fahrenheit here.

Both my,plants are inside. One looks way better than the other.



The leafless stump, i started breaking off the branches and they came off easily. Im writiing it off as dead. But the closer to the stump the more bendy it is. Like its not really dead but more in shock if anything. Its been about 3 weeks since this. Im not gonna toss it out but has anybody ever had one come back to life looking like this?


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Re: Coca growers [Re: ferrel_human]
    #24873810 - 12/28/17 02:57 PM (6 years, 1 month ago)

It looks quite bad i think.
I would raise the humidity and put some extra lightning if possible.
Then just hope they put out some new shoots from the stem.


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Re: Coca growers [Re: Mateo]
    #24873906 - 12/28/17 03:39 PM (6 years, 1 month ago)

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It looks quite bad i think.
I would raise the humidity and put some extra lightning if possible.
Then just hope they put out some new shoots from the stem.




Yeah its become a house plant now. Ill just monitor and hope it comes,back.


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Re: Coca growers [Re: ferrel_human]
    #24874452 - 12/28/17 06:46 PM (6 years, 1 month ago)

damn sorry ferrel, I lost one of my 3 seedlings on Christmas. Christmas eve I stayed the night at my moms to avoid a DUI and they didn't get watered :sad:


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Re: Coca growers [Re: Chemical Addiction]
    #24874979 - 12/28/17 10:24 PM (6 years, 1 month ago)

Tried chewing some leaves today, 2.5g fresh leaves with some bicarb, tasted terrible so I spat it out almost straight away, mouth went completely numb and stayed numb for a good 10 minutes, any suggestions of what else can be used instead of the bicarb for better taste ?


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Re: Coca growers [Re: matt1208]
    #24874985 - 12/28/17 10:26 PM (6 years, 1 month ago)

Every winter mine drop almost all their leaves and die back a bit, never that bad although I wouldn't give up on it yet, looks like it'll still shoot in warmer humid conditions


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Re: Coca growers [Re: matt1208]
    #24875967 - 12/29/17 11:46 AM (6 years, 1 month ago)

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Tried chewing some leaves today, 2.5g fresh leaves with some bicarb, tasted terrible so I spat it out almost straight away, mouth went completely numb and stayed numb for a good 10 minutes, any suggestions of what else can be used instead of the bicarb for better taste ?




You probably used to much. Its salty. Calcium or sodium? Sorry but im a little :stoned:


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Re: Coca growers [Re: ferrel_human]
    #24876313 - 12/29/17 03:22 PM (6 years, 1 month ago)

I'll try again with a bit less today


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