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Mateo
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Hi
Been long time since last time i was here on shroomery, about sometime in 2015 i think. Still got some of my Novo´s alive and one E.coca. I have recently set up a grow tent with a 300W LED and a CFL, and i have put a ultrasonic humidifier inside also. Now i have 3 novos inside and also my coca. I hope they will grow nicely in the tent but the temp sometimes go up to 25 degrees C. I hope it´s not getting to hot for them in there. One of the novo´s are almost to tall for the tent, maybee i figure something else out. I could use some advice how to make them happier so i can get some berries in the future if lucky. I have had lots of flowers but they always fall off or dries up. Probably because of to dry air where i live. I can try take some pics for you tomorrow.
I see you guys have some wonderful cocas. They are very nice plants to grow.
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Re: Coca growers [Re: Mateo] 1
#24842442 - 12/12/17 05:12 PM (6 years, 1 month ago) |
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Took some pics. I try include them below. So long since i posted pics on shroomery, forgot how i do it.
 These 2 novos are still placed by the window. The rest is in the growtent.
 This is the smaller from the window
 And the bigger one from the window.
Lets see if these pics work, then i post more.
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Re: Coca growers [Re: Mateo] 2
#24842492 - 12/12/17 05:35 PM (6 years, 1 month ago) |
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Moore pics
 The 2 big novos in the growtent. biggest over 1.5 meter tall.
  And one small novo in the tent also
 This is my E.coca
   The leaves are getting yellow and falls, one after another. I dont know whats wrong, maybee lack of nutrients or the tapwater. I see new leaves are developing, hopefully putting her in the tent and watering with 5.5 to 6 PH water will help. I also added some fertilizer to the water. All my novos and the coca was placed by the windows until few days ago.
 The long branch looks like a good candidate to try bend into some soil. Maybee i can make some roots develop and then cut the branch. Its called air or ground layering or similar. I would love another E.coca.
Maybee someone can give me some advice on these plants, especially the E.coca. Maybee repot in coco? I really want them to thrive, grow strong and hopefully give me some berries in the future.
/Mateo
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Edited by Mateo (12/12/17 05:41 PM)
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Re: Coca growers [Re: Mateo]
#24843152 - 12/13/17 01:33 AM (6 years, 1 month ago) |
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Your plants are of perfect health. Personally I have not bothered with humidifiers. would you say your plants are cuttings from the same plant or are they from different seeds? if your plants aren't related have you tried pollinating them yourself with cotton wool? I'd say you need to cut your tall plants back a bunch so they can fatten up and stand on their own, but that's just preference your plants look perfectly fine.
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Dbotany Daily Care of Your Cocal Most of what you need to know about the daily care of your cocal has been said in previous chapters. As a precautionary measure, it will be well to outline at least those factors which will have a major part to play in the well being of your plants.
Soil
It is of prime importance that the soil be light and airy and provide proper drainage. If water sits around the roots, they will rot and the plant may die. Soil that is too alkaline should be rigorously avoided. In any event, know the pH of your soil. If you use commercially packaged soil or one prepared by your nursery, you need not worry for quite some time about nutrients. They will be amply available. Watering
Do not over-water. Your plants wont like it. Dig down a couple of inches before watering and if the soil is dry, water it. If it is moist at all, leave it alone. More critical attention should be paid to keeping the humidity high, than to drowning the roots.
Humidity
Your bushes will enjoy a good solid misting everyday. It will keep the leaves supple and breathing well. If gravel is used in the bottom of the cocal and kept moist, the misting can be lighter and less frequent. Remember, the higher the temperature, the higher the humidity should be kept. Also, the more the cocal is ventilated the more moisture will evaporate and will have to be replaced.
Temperature and Sunlight
Temperature should be kept as constant as possible around the 60s. A ten degree variance will not seriously injure your plants, but more than this should be avoided if possible. Frost is a sure killer, as are very high temperatures. Heat is a very close associate of sunlight. Because you dont want either of them beyond a moderate quantity, a sun filter is a necessity.
Ventilation
Regular ventilation is important to get rid of stale, stagnant air. Stale air may lack nitrogen and the bushes will suffer.
Fertilizing
Keep your hands off the fertilizer until the plant is off to a good and healthy start. Over-fertilizing, or fertilizing too early in the plant’s growth is worse than none at all. An under-fertilized plant will at least live. That can not be said with the same certainty of one burned up by an overdose of Rapid Gro. Touch some to your tongue again and you'll know why.
Transplanting
There will be times, as your bush grows and matures, when transplanting will be necessary. The general rule of thumb to follow is to move plants to larger containers when their root systems fill their present container. They should be moved to the next size pot, not to a very large one. Too large a pot will cause the root fibers to grow out too fast and eventually cause the ends of the roots to die. When moving plants up to larger pots, allow an inch for fresh soil on all sides. When you reach the largest container, a deep 10" pot, and the root mass fills it, simply shave away 1" of the old roots on all sides with a knife. Then you can re-plant in the old pot using some new soil around it.
The plant should be removed from the old container and the outside of the root-ball shaken to loosen the root ends. Care should be taken not to get too vigorous, or root ends may be damaged. A light spray of water will loosen the outside edge of the root-ball gently. The root- ball can then be set in the new container and the remainder filled with soil, which should be compacted lightly with a stick. Finally, it should be said that transplanting isn't magic and with reasonable care and some practice, it can be accomplished almost without disturbance to the plant.
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Re: Coca growers [Re: JayWise]
#24843206 - 12/13/17 03:07 AM (6 years, 1 month ago) |
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my plant is currently outside in 30-35 degrees C. with 10% humidity and loving it, will see how it goes when the temps reach 40c and above
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Välkommen tillbaka, Mateo I read a lot about your plants already. Nice to see how they developed! Ur's are standing in citrus soil right ?
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Thanks all.
Cocalero would you say your plants are cuttings from the same plant or are they from different seeds?
All the Novos are grown from berries that had a very good germination rate. The E.coca i got as a 20cm tall plant, stripped of all leaves, but with very good roots, sent from Peru. I was very suprised it got delivered as the seller was a known scammer. I have tried hand pollinating flowers but it never resulted in any berries, the flowers just falls off or dries up. I hope the new tent, adding more humidity, lowering PH of water and changing light to 13h on, 11 off, will make pollination and berries possible. We will see what happens. I will cut back my cocas soon, im going to decide what branches to save for air-layering experiments first. Thanks for the grow info.
JayWise The Novos seem to do well in the windowsill here in the north. The Coca have been doing OK but not grown much in size. Lately it have started dropping leaves that had turned yellow. Maybee the nutrients in the soil is used up and it needs some iron, sulfur or something else. Hopefully my recent changes will make thrive and grow agressively.
matt1208 My god, 35 degrees C and only 10% humidity.. I have read they like it about 60-69F (18.5-20.5C), i had no idea they would grow good that high in temp. And 10% humidity, I though my 35-40% was way too dry and it was the reason my flowers never made any berries. Do you get berries from the flowers at this temp and humidity?
DBCOOPERCE Tackar, känns bra att växt intresset har kommit tillbaka nu. You must have read some old posts. The cocas have been in these pots a long time now and i used a soilmix for citrus plants as they also like a lower PH soil. I think i used some coco too, i cant remember the details.
Before i cut my plants back some, im going to try air-layering on some branches. Getting cuttings to develop roots seem quite hard on cocas but im sure it can be done. After all, the idapu variant cant be grown from seed and cuttings is the only way to get new plants. And i highly doubt the Idapu variant is much different from the other variants. I have also read that growers in SA are using more cuttings now as it takes so long time to grow plants from seed until they reach harvest age. So it seems it is just a matter of figure out how to do it. Maybee one can only take cuttings from thicker branches, that would explain why most people fail. Well, time to experiment some, as i have the opertunity to do so. If i get some time during the weekend, i will try out some ideas with cuttings.
Happy growing. /Mateo
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Re: Coca growers [Re: Mateo]
#24844337 - 12/13/17 05:17 PM (6 years, 1 month ago) |
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I've been watering my E. coca and novo plants with tap water their entire lives. They most likely didn't appreciate that all too much, but they've been growing in an acidic soil so that might have saved most of them. Recently I bought some pH test liquid and pH down. Of course the tap water was way too alkaline, measuring in at a pH of 8,5. I'm wondering though if I should gradually lower the pH with each watering. And if so, at what increments?
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I also have been watering my cocas with tapwater for many years. Here the tapwater is quite stable around 7. Started to water with PH 5.5 about a week ago, so far they seem to like it. You have a bigger difference, maybee take it in 2 steps? I have no idea how sensitive they are with this, mine seems to have no negative results.
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Re: Coca growers [Re: Mateo]
#24845456 - 12/14/17 10:55 AM (6 years, 1 month ago) |
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Going a bit gradual seems smart but I wouldn't overthing it with the increments. I don't know how often you water but for me 2 steps would mean plenty of time because I don't water that often.
On a hunch I repotted my older 2 seedlings, I think I overdid it with the perlite. Seemed to work very well at the initial level, but after that it apparently didn't seem to offer enough support and nutrition for the roots, I guess it makes sense - after all they are not cacti and I have always been surprised at how little water they want at the initial stage.
Let's hope this solves my problems, if so I will know to avoid this problem with my next generation seedlings and repot before the point where the older ones stalled. More soil should also buffer a bit better...
Since there is new soil I should take care to get the pH right again asap. I water with rainwater and citric acid.
They also might not keep needing the humidity domes anymore but I put the over for the time being until they stabilize... not sure what else I can do to help them stabilize.
I wish I had mycorrhizal fungus for soil...
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You can fix the nutrition problem by adding a small dose of fertilizer in the water. A very low dose would probably be enough like 25% of the recomended dose on the bottle or even little lower.
Mycorrhiza you can order from almost all hydrophonics sites, i would like to try this myself also. Its on my long to do list.
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mine are about 25-30C in the tent in the winter, they are also on 5 to 10% humidity. probably could be better. I can show you a picture of my Mycorrhiza growing. the have colonized the side of a pot but dried out and died obviously, but inside they are prolific. the problem is with Coca you shouldn't keep the earth moist, but let it dry out now and then which is a sure way to kill the Mycorrhiza.
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I wish I had mycorrhizal fungus for soil...
Why not pull up a clump of grass and use a small amount of clumped soil by the roots? I'd think there'd be some generalist species in there, no?
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the problem is with Coca you shouldn't keep the earth moist, but let it dry out now and then which is a sure way to kill the Mycorrhiza.
So if the mycorrhiza dies when the soil gets dry then i guess we cant use them in the coca soils. I wonder if the mycorrhiza can handle a soil that is almost dry. If so, it might work. I guess i will get some for other plants anyway so i will try adding some as a test.
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Re: Coca growers [Re: Mateo]
#24847108 - 12/15/17 04:45 AM (6 years, 1 month ago) |
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Wouldn't they extract water better retained by the roots? If so, not sure if that is a good thing for the plant! Guess it depends on how long you allow the soil to dry exactly and how dry.
But very good point yes, still in general i'd like them for my other plants.
I also have no idea if endomycorrhizal species tend to do alright in general in pots indoors... as a rule, small environments (think aquarium) are harder to stabilize...
If they are prolific in your pots though cocalero that sounds encouraging on all fronts. did you buy them?
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It would be nice to se some pics of some mycorrhiza. I have never used them before. Only thing i know is that they form some kind of mutual beneficial relation with the plants so the plant can get nutrients easier somehow.
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Re: Coca growers [Re: Mateo]
#24850204 - 12/16/17 04:22 PM (6 years, 1 month ago) |
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Don't know how well you guys can see this, but my novo seems to be getting a sort of white discoloration down the middle of some of it's larger leaves. I have 6 4" cfl's on them and my cactus, totalling ~240 watts. Wondering if they might need a bit more iron, or maybe they are getting too much chlorine? I have been using ascorbic acid to dechloraminate my tap water.
Really don't want to lose this one. It's finally starting to brown up on the stem, and I have high hopes for it!
I gave it a small bit of organic fertilizer while I was drunk (bat guano, kelp, etc)... The tips of the leaves appear to have burnt a bit from that, unfortunately. I really shouldn't be fucking with my babies when I drink lol!
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Re: Coca growers [Re: Mateo]
#24850210 - 12/16/17 04:26 PM (6 years, 1 month ago) |
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Mateo said: It would be nice to se some pics of some mycorrhiza. I have never used them before. Only thing i know is that they form some kind of mutual beneficial relation with the plants so the plant can get nutrients easier somehow.
Look up pics on google. If you go into the woods, and uproot a plant, a lot of times you can see a white mycelial network near the roots. That is mycorrhizae. Most plants form a bond with fungus. I know a wonderful website, where mycorrhizae inoculant can be purchased, and I use it on all my potted plants. It comes with various bacterial and fungal cultures.
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IMO don't use ascorbic acid, I think it could scavenge oxygen... better a weak otherwise unremarkable acid. I use citric acid, the only think that might be remarkable about that it may solubilize a lot of cationic compounds like iron - make it more available but also potentially flush it... don't know to what extent, maybe i should switch too. 
Acetic acid (vinegar / cleaning vinegar diluted) might actually be better than both though it's not one of the weakest.
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