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JayWise

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Re: Coca growers *DELETED* [Re: Cocalero]
#24827098 - 12/05/17 02:09 AM (6 years, 1 month ago) |
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Solipsis
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Re: Coca growers [Re: JayWise] 1
#24827290 - 12/05/17 07:25 AM (6 years, 1 month ago) |
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Good question, are they 2 tubes adding up to 125W or..? Mine do fine under 2 x 36W (so not that short though) and I don't have the feeling it's the maximum or something. But you might wanna be careful, your seedlings look like they are still quite young and sensitive so not sure when you think they have outgrown the LED.
These are my new generation of seedlings under CFL, one has a limp leaf for some unknown reason but otherwise they look good. Might wanna take off the domes at some point cause the breeze from the fan should help make them sturdy.. worked for my older plants.

These are my older seedlings, they have stalled and one of them is really not doing well. The other two look fine other than having stalled for a while. They get more light now... if that doesn't help idk what will? RH is 50% there and they apparently needed those domes..

What am i not doing right :| why the stalling?
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JayWise

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Re: Coca growers *DELETED* [Re: Solipsis]
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Re: Coca growers [Re: JayWise]
#24827577 - 12/05/17 10:31 AM (6 years, 1 month ago) |
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Does your grow room have chairs? it looks pretty comfortable
And my gosh that a lot of coca i recommend a draco, ergonomicallly it fits right into your palm(s)
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ferrel_human
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One looks great and my other bby does not. Ithink it on its wy out.

I will miss that one but have too keep the other healthy. So tonight thye come inside. Both of them.
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Solipsis
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Re: Coca growers [Re: JayWise]
#24829356 - 12/06/17 07:15 AM (6 years, 1 month ago) |
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I wonder if my plants are stalling because there is just too much perlite in there and they have trouble getting enough nutrition? Wouldn't I see different issues though?
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DualWieldRake said: Does your grow room have chairs? it looks pretty comfortable
And my gosh that a lot of coca i recommend a draco, ergonomicallly it fits right into your palm(s)
(Edited for dual wield)
Who?
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ferrel_human said: One looks great and my other bby does not. Ithink it on its wy out.

I will miss that one but have too keep the other healthy. So tonight thye come inside. Both of them.
That sounds really cozy somehow, hopefully it responds to the nurture 
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JayWise said: This is my new cupboard propagator I am thinking of moving my novo to. I am testing it out with some guinea pigs that I am less protective over - Two salvia cuttings, kratom, Catha, baby peyotes and my Syrian rue and Acacia acuminata sprouts. Think I should wait a few weeks?

Nice and stealthy! I am not exactly sure what you are expecting to see by that trial run, what is true for those other species may not be true for the novo's. But yeah why not though..  Have you had good results with the LED and erythroxylum in the past that gives you some idea of when the LED becomes insufficient?
I know about walking the tightrope between too much [heat] and too little light, although this doesn't apply to you exactly the same way..
Have read confusing reports about novo's, they are supposed to like modest lighting... they might not be interested in ultra intense light but I think they still need quite a bit as they grow up.
The dual spectrum sounds nice
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Cocalero


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Re: Coca growers [Re: Cocalero] 1
#24829677 - 12/06/17 10:41 AM (6 years, 1 month ago) |
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Took back a total of 8 feet of branches they were in dire need of a hair cut
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Re: Coca growers [Re: JayWise]
#24829689 - 12/06/17 10:45 AM (6 years, 1 month ago) |
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Solipsis said: I wonder if my plants are stalling because there is just too much perlite in there and they have trouble getting enough nutrition? Wouldn't I see different issues though?
Who?
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ferrel_human said: One looks great and my other bby does not. Ithink it on its wy out.

I will miss that one but have too keep the other healthy. So tonight thye come inside. Both of them.
That sounds really cozy somehow, hopefully it responds to the nurture 
Add some iron and magnesium. With me it seems those problems get fixed.
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JayWise said: This is my new cupboard propagator I am thinking of moving my novo to. I am testing it out with some guinea pigs that I am less protective over - Two salvia cuttings, kratom, Catha, baby peyotes and my Syrian rue and Acacia acuminata sprouts. Think I should wait a few weeks?

Thats a beauty of a setup. Good job Jay.
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Took back a total of 8 feet of branches they were in dire need of a hair cut 
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Solipsis
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Thank you for the advice and I will look into it (already have heard about iron and coca and was planning on making ferrous ammonium citrate for that myself but idk how to give the magnesium other than that i think it is present in my normal fertilizer as trace element.
but... I don't have any yellowing of any part of the leaves / plant...
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Took back a total of 8 feet of branches they were in dire need of a hair cut 
beautiful trimmage! :'D
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I used some of the twigs as cuttings. but I already have quite a lot of cuttings under various light sources running for different amounts of time. Actually I'm full up with coca matcha too, so I'll probably throw it out, sorry... I will try to take a picture of the novo cuttings tomorrow they are about 2 months old now
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DBCOOPERCE
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Would love to see your cuttings Mr. Cocalero!
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Cocalero


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Well I just did what dbotany said. I'm sure any bonzai method of taking cuttings will work. You should have plants big enough where you get regular branches every one to two months. Mine grow really fast, I think I can harvest this load every three months just off one novo. They have been re-potted about twice, finally in 20 liter pots where they will live out their days. Anyway the branches used for cuttings should be cut off straight, not at any angle like with other plants. The branches should also be in the in-between stage of becoming woody. Honestly I just stuck them in the dirt. Now I'm just keeping the fuckers moist. It's not even funny there are literally coca leaves lying around everywhere. The little flowers get quite annoying too when you are trimming



like I said these guys are a couple of months old. no rooting hormone just moist dirt.
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Re: Coca growers [Re: Cocalero] 1
#24833425 - 12/08/17 06:52 AM (6 years, 1 month ago) |
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Way to go Cocalero. Must be nice to have that problem. The last time i attempted it was bout 3,months or so. Maybe this tim as soon s its warm enoigh ill tke some cuttings and leave them as long a i can. Goodluck,bro
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Solipsis
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Nice job, you make it look easy 
I am stil trying to figure out how novo's are supposed to dislike very bright light but you have pretty heavy lighting. Since I pushed my older plants more underneath my COB it seems to have come out of stalling and I believe they are working on buds, not sure what kind of crazy light E. Coca wants but apparently novo's not wanting bright light is quite relatively speaking and nothing like salvia which likes actual shade.
Still early to say anything real but I hope things are moving forward again now 
thnx for causing me to try!
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ferrel_human
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So some days away from winter here is what it looks like.
 
Now the first one, obviously, has dropped all its leaves. Ive taken off all the little stems. They were all dead. Dammit why!? Anywho thats what i came back to. But the other one is still sprouting levaes. Not out in the snow and i doubt it will be out anytimw soon. Weather here is so unpredictable. I hope that leaveless one comes back to,life.
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DBCOOPERCE
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But no roots visible yet, cocalero ? I have had mine about 5 month now. I didn't cut them straight. One died, but had roots the others I didn't check. I suppose most of your cuttings have no roots yet. It takes months...
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Both of my mother plants are under the same light. the only thing I have done is adjusted the light to Bolivia daylight time. Which means they are on full spectrum LED for 12 to 13 hours. I have also set my light timer to turn off twice during the day for half an hour so they can respire for a short while before being subjected to the light again. Of course this isn't proven it's just a personal thesis of mine that I noticed how sensitive they react to over lighting and to under lighting. But they seem to be doing fine in these conditions.
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