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Re: Coca growers [Re: Lysergic_Milkman] * 2
    #23697196 - 10/01/16 01:08 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Deffinitely doing this asap. What are the berries used for?



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What! I didnt know you could grow your own coca plants. Is it difficult?




Coca is a class 1 restricted plant in the U.S. and is illegal to grow there, and most places around the world.



Lol cos this website is full of people not growing felonies


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Re: Coca growers [Re: mrmazdarx9] * 2
    #23697650 - 10/01/16 04:21 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Lol cos this website is full of people not growing felonies




Shrooms are only felonies if grown to be picked. The coca plant is a felony in itself. That being said, this website is full of people growing felonies lol


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Re: Coca growers [Re: Lysergic_Milkman]
    #23697712 - 10/01/16 04:43 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Not true shrooms are illegal to cultivate in uk and according to wiki
"Cultivation of psilocybin mushrooms is considered drug manufacture in most jurisdictions and is often severely penalized"


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Re: Coca growers [Re: mrmazdarx9]
    #23697912 - 10/01/16 06:04 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Sorry. I wasn't sensitive to the cultural boundary there. I study exclusively U.S. law with a focus in Georgia criminal law. In the U.S. growing plants are not considered products of manufacture (mushrooms even less so), with the sole exceptions of cannabis and coca (opium poppy could also make the list, but then again maybe not. Poppies are a major legal clusterfuck in the U.S.).


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Re: Coca growers [Re: Lysergic_Milkman]
    #23702052 - 10/02/16 11:56 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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What! I didnt know you could grow your own coca plants. Is it difficult?




Coca is a class 1 restricted plant in the U.S. and is illegal to grow there, and most places around the world.




Actually cocaine is schedule II, 
Their are several varitys/subspecies of coca, only one of them is specificaly named as being illegal federaly and it's not the one thats most commonly traded (E novo)


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Re: Coca growers [Re: LIBERTYNY]
    #23702717 - 10/03/16 08:16 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

I'm actually having trouble finding the applicable federal laws. The 1961 Single Convention on Narcotic Drugs mentions "coca bushes" and their control in several places, but that's a UN treaty and subject to interpretation by US laws. Specifically, it mentions that the State Party needs to outlaw the plant itself, if it feels the need to. I can't find anywhere in US Law where the plant itself is prohibited.

U.S. Customs will no doubt seize it under different guidelines, but I can't find anything related to narcotics control.

It would seem that coca is indeed legal to cultivate in the US. I can't find it anywhere in the law.


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Re: Coca growers [Re: Lysergic_Milkman]
    #23702951 - 10/03/16 09:45 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

To bad for me plants a class A drug in UK :frown:


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Re: Coca growers [Re: mrmazdarx9]
    #23704403 - 10/03/16 05:22 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

That sucks, but that seems to be the case most places. It's insane that America hasn't closed what appears to be a significant loophole. Most people presume that "coca leaf" and "cocaine" are synonymous with "coca plant", but U.S. Law makes a clear distinction between drugs and the plants they come from. BOTH must be outlawed; one does not cover the other.

Maybe I'm not looking hard enough. Anyway, beautiful plant! I wish I lived in a climate where it was easier to grow :frown:

Coca leaf is a favorite pastime of mine. Be nice to have a bush!


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Re: Coca growers [Re: Lysergic_Milkman]
    #23706579 - 10/04/16 11:52 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Wish I did I live in the UK lol they live in a grow room.


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Re: Coca growers [Re: Lysergic_Milkman]
    #23711934 - 10/06/16 01:05 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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That sucks, but that seems to be the case most places. It's insane that America hasn't closed what appears to be a significant loophole. Most people presume that "coca leaf" and "cocaine" are synonymous with "coca plant", but U.S. Law makes a clear distinction between drugs and the plants they come from. BOTH must be outlawed; one does not cover the other.

Maybe I'm not looking hard enough. Anyway, beautiful plant! I wish I lived in a climate where it was easier to grow :frown:

Coca leaf is a favorite pastime of mine. Be nice to have a bush!




So, wouldn't that be a solid argument for Kratom as well?


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Re: Coca growers [Re: alteredmindstates]
    #23712282 - 10/06/16 07:21 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

For the plant, yes. Kratom is legal to grow in the U.S. The only exception would be to grow for commercial use/drug production. Personal ornamentals are legal.

The dried leaves would be considered "processed" and not part of the living plant, and hence a drug. Merely picking the fresh leaves would qualify as processing (although it would probably not be considered manufacturing).


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Re: Coca growers [Re: Lysergic_Milkman]
    #23714795 - 10/06/16 11:49 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Having cops recognize a coca plant is very unlikely. You're not going to get huge harvests from a plant or two, certainly not enough to make cocaine. Most people who grow just uses the leaves for chewing/tea I think. Get a tea plant or coffee plant to grow beside it and just say it's one of those, people won't think twice. Most entheogens are not on people's radars and will not attract attention. :shrug:


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Re: Coca growers [Re: P.Zappatecorum]
    #23715198 - 10/07/16 05:56 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Having cops recognize a coca plant is very unlikely. You're not going to get huge harvests from a plant or two, certainly not enough to make cocaine. Most people who grow just uses the leaves for chewing/tea I think. Get a tea plant or coffee plant to grow beside it and just say it's one of those, people won't think twice. Most entheogens are not on people's radars and will not attract attention. :shrug:




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Re: Coca growers [Re: Lysergic_Milkman]
    #23761741 - 10/22/16 06:06 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

I grow e novo, its not hard to grow, I have them outdoors right now in the shade. They do not like full sun. Some of those photos the leaves looked too green like they were getting too much ferts. They get really green but burn is a problem then.

You can grow them indoors too, they don't need that much light, put them by a window or under floros. They aren't super fast growing but plant the berries you get and soon you have loads of them. Its a nifty hobby. Click on my thread in the trade forum.

Cops have no clue what they are unless you tell them. Even then they would not know what to do. Even if somehow they did, you could just say you got them from a garage sale, or they were growing there when you moved in. They can prove nothing, same as if you are growing poppies. Unless they catch you gathering the latex they have nothing on you. Same as growing cactus or a lot of things.


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Re: Coca growers [Re: Stonehenge]
    #23761773 - 10/22/16 06:17 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Mine can't grow outdoors too cold and wet here (UK) I have them under CFLs they used to be under fluros and stretched to fuck the biggest one I have now still needs propping up although its nearly caught back up but its took months and months. Ive always guessed the nute amount as there's very little info. The amount I use now seems perfect get plenty leafs a week. The only issue I'm getting now it berries, my plants are in constant flower as one set dies the next come through literally gone through 100s of flowers but only had one berry which got halfway to maturity then dropped off before it was ready. The fruit never seem to develop, is this a indoor cultivation problem or something else?


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Re: Coca growers [Re: mrmazdarx9]
    #23762212 - 10/22/16 08:47 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Bees and wasps seem to do the job better. Using a small artist type paintbrush will work or your finger but bugs are the experts. A fan will toughen them up. If they are producing well then great but in the photo they looked deep green. Put them in pots and move them inside and outside.


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Re: Coca growers [Re: mrmazdarx9]
    #23910872 - 12/09/16 05:08 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Couple of my plants dropped all their leaves and ends of the branches shriveled up and went black. So I cut the black bits of watered when needed and

They started coming back to life again. I'm used to the leaves dropping off but really thought they'd died this time I'd inadvertently ignored them under grow lights for a week had a lot on my plate and almost lost two. Lucky this time


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Re: Coca growers [Re: mrmazdarx9]
    #23916634 - 12/11/16 03:14 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

That's really interesting man.

How are the effects of Coca as compared to other stimulants like Caffeine or Cacao?


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Re: Coca growers [Re: mctaveesh]
    #23916692 - 12/11/16 03:34 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: Coca growers [Re: Dorfnob]
    #23919208 - 12/12/16 11:10 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Much more pronounced than coffee and can be a little strong if you use a few too many leaves had the jitters a few times from heroic dosages lol never tried cacao so can't comment.


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