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mrmazdarx9
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Awesome ill give it a shot litterally every damn plant and cacti has the fuckers
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all this talk about soil mixes and ferts, shit i just used premium potting mix
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Re: Coca growers [Re: matt1208]
#24425073 - 06/21/17 08:28 PM (6 years, 7 months ago) |
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matt1208 said: all this talk about soil mixes and ferts, shit i just used premium potting mix 
How premiun is it?
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Thanks for all the fert info guys. Im curious to see what these can do.
As for my soil mix...
I started with fox farm ocean forest and added in some really coarse red and black cinder sand from a pile of cinder in my yard. Then the perlite. Id say its about 1:1:1
Didnt really think about the alkalinity of the perlite at the time, but i ph'd my soil and i use organic ph down at every watering.
Have also been watering with worm tea made with collected rainwater which is ph'd down to like 3. This gets my runoff at about 4
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How premiun is it?
well i mean, it has premium on the bag but it just looks like your shitty run of the mill potting mix with some slow release fertilizer ball things in it, but its all i use really and everything seems to grow pretty well, ill check the bag to see exactly whats in it in the morning sometime
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Re: Coca growers [Re: matt1208]
#24426024 - 06/22/17 08:08 AM (6 years, 7 months ago) |
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How premiun is it?
well i mean, it has premium on the bag but it just looks like your shitty run of the mill potting mix with some slow release fertilizer ball things in it, but its all i use really and everything seems to grow pretty well, ill check the bag to see exactly whats in it in the morning sometime
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guacamolerabbit said: Well, I guess you can't really know without scientifcal approaches of testing, unfortunately. But from what I know, since these plants are acidophiles, they won't like those typical fertilizers I've mentioned earlier, I assume they would prefer acidic fertilizers (I don't know nothing about this), and from my researches the best is a liquid instead of a soluble form, soluble forms are difficult to calculate the required amounts, they better suited for in ground plantations because they filter it better, while if you use these in potting plants, they could make damages to the roots. I suppose that's why a lot of people consider using naturally characteristical soil for these plants, to try to avoid chemical focused fertilization and resort to in-ground slow releasing forms of organic fertilization (that's what I was recommended, organic fertilization).
You mean like if the soil is pretty acidic it may change the solubility of solid fertilizers like bonemeal, bloodmeal etc and if they dissolve faster than you're expecting it leeches into the soil much more burning the roots with an OD?
How do ants know that the DE will kill them? How do you know that walking through giant razorwire will eventually kill us? I don't think you even call it instinct that it looks menacing and even an ant can do that math :P
Seedlings have cotylidons right? I thought they were all leaves initially but I got some shriveling..
Not too worried about the alkalinity of perlite personally, but I do wonder whether acidic environment causes it to dissolve a little bit - a lot of aluminum in there.. probably nothing too serious though, and it's really not *that* acidic. Then again you don't want your Ethroxies to get Alzheimer's..
pH 3 rainwater seems way acidic, have you tested what that makes the pH of your soil after a few waterings?
How big would the plants be before you start fertilizing?
I seem to be stalling at 6/10 germinated berries... hopefully i can get one or two more but the chances are dwindling probably..
I've had to help pretty much all my seedlings with the seed husks and they are a bit wispy, but some have gotten to the age where leaf production really takes off. Hopefully I can put a fan on them asap [still in individual humidity domes anyway) but I have to craft something..
@Matt: seems to me like the main issue is drainage. Without added ingredients to give the soil structure, drainage, aeration the chances would be much higher that you get mold / damping off or other mostly rot related issues with the soil not drying out enough between waterings.
In your case, if the soil contains microorganisms, that promotes a healthy balance of the good microbes keeping the bad ones in check... so you have some protection against the fungi / molds but better is to do both!
I don't know if I added it but I have some homemade compost and some rainwater, both contain microbes from outside... I also read of someone adding a ridiculous amount of perlite to their soil mix (like 2/3 iirc), that seems like a bit much - I do want those roots to sit in some soil to feed off :P - but I did add almost half, and a minor bit of sand (I really like that in my soils).
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Re: Coca growers [Re: Solipsis]
#24428899 - 06/23/17 10:53 AM (6 years, 7 months ago) |
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Solipsis are you growing your seedlings open air or humidity tent/dome. Every seed ive ever grown was open air i did a test with one of my very first ones in a propagater and it got way too humid and the poor guy fell over like spaghetti and died. Probably my error but ive since never used a propagater.
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Maybe try those tiny little hand held fans and see if they fit in your domes. Pc fans maybe? They definitely dont need too much wind. Just enough to wiggle them have seemed to toughen mine up.
Found this awhile back regarding ph. Other reading has agreed with it.

I ph my rainwater to 3 and the runoff comes out at about 4. Its also common for soils with organic material to naturally adjust itself to a more alkaline ph. So i figure im pretty safe here. Will be running a real soil test on them soon though, so we'll see what happens.
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Re: Coca growers [Re: bubbaloo]
#24429009 - 06/23/17 11:41 AM (6 years, 7 months ago) |
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I dont have issues growing them now, open air has always seemed superior to me so if i ever get more berries i wouldnt risk killing them with a dome no matter what. As low as ph 3 ey, mine are happy at 5 but i wonder if they would be happier at an even lower ph
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You have novo though right? Theyre a little less tolerant of the acidity. Id say if theyre happy, then all is well. Maybe just something to keep in mind if they ever seem too slow or get sick in tge future.
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Re: Coca growers [Re: bubbaloo]
#24429049 - 06/23/17 12:01 PM (6 years, 7 months ago) |
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Agreed, I don't have much experience yet but if they're happy at 5 i'd be really careful with going lower. You do know it's a logarithmic scale right?
I grow my novo's right now each with individual domes when they reach the saran wrap I initially spanned over the pots... the domes won't really have much room since I used cut off tops of soda bottles (the long non-tapered parts were also used as humidity domes), with no cap that is, and extra holes poked.
When they will be outgrowing those too, soon, I will be using a bigger humidity dome (it reaches my knee in height.. 1½' or so? and has the shape of a standard house).. And yes I am in the process of ordering cheap pc fans from a tweaker (the pc kind of tweaker)... I use a ton of rewired PC fans in my house lol! 4 already in my main grow unit - and counting - one used as diy magnetic stirrer - one in my diy soldering helping hand to blow away soldering fumes...
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Re: Coca growers [Re: Solipsis]
#24429060 - 06/23/17 12:06 PM (6 years, 7 months ago) |
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No mine are e.coca
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My bad man. Gotcha mixed up. Glad to see someone else with coca though. Seems to be mostly novo out there.
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Re: Coca growers [Re: bubbaloo]
#24429083 - 06/23/17 12:11 PM (6 years, 7 months ago) |
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I started this thread not entirely sure what i was growing just knew it was coca of some sort after researching it im 100% sure ive e.coca now i think we are the only e.coca growers.
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Re: Coca growers [Re: bubbaloo]
#24429115 - 06/23/17 12:20 PM (6 years, 7 months ago) |
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bubbaloo said: Maybe try those tiny little hand held fans and see if they fit in your domes. Pc fans maybe? They definitely dont need too much wind. Just enough to wiggle them have seemed to toughen mine up.
Found this awhile back regarding ph. Other reading has agreed with it.

I ph my rainwater to 3 and the runoff comes out at about 4. Its also common for soils with organic material to naturally adjust itself to a more alkaline ph. So i figure im pretty safe here. Will be running a real soil test on them soon though, so we'll see what happens.
Seems about right. I dont grow coca due to legality but my novo does seem to like acidic at around 6. I usually throww in coffee grounds. Good source of nitrogen and add acidity to soil.
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So higher ph leads to higher alkaloid at the sacrifice of life span. Would be ok if you had a constant supply of seeds mine havent flowered in a long while im about to change the light timer as an experiment.
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I think ita better to grow at optimum rather than sacrifice of the plant.
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Just chewed i love the feeling of rubbing the back of my teeth with my tongue after chewing. I used to grow on this other light schedule that ive set it to now and used to have almost constant flowering.
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