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bubbaloo
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Thank ya. These are e. coca btw
Luckily i havent had to stake them yet. Im super nervous about messing with them. They seem to be getting tougher though.
I keep a fan on them 24/7 but i keep it at a distance. Just enough to see the leaves wiggle some.
Being blessed with the right climate is definitely helping me out with this. I can't really advise on when to introduce them to the indoors but I can tell you whats been working for me.
~80-90% humidity ~65-75 degrees
They get morning sun for maybe an hour and then about 16 hours of light from my flourescent
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Re: Coca growers [Re: bubbaloo]
#24422683 - 06/21/17 02:02 AM (6 years, 7 months ago) |
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Any chance someone could take a pic or provide some more info on what kind of fertilizer they use?
I went looking online for a 9-3-6 npk and didnt have much luck
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Re: Coca growers [Re: matt1208]
#24422889 - 06/21/17 05:25 AM (6 years, 7 months ago) |
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matt1208 said: i havent had any insect problems at all, only thing i have to deal with is the cat constantly eating the leaves, but it saves me from having to prune so not all bad
lol your cat may have a drug problem get it some catnip maybe 
Diatom earth doesn't deal with anything as small as spider mites does it? I think I have 7-4-7 [iirc] normal fertilizer (not used yet, there is some compost in my mix i think instead of worm castings), was considering buying bloodmeal to add a little N tot that 7-4-7.
Maybe I should take a miniature plastic greenhouse I made with wiring and saran wrap and put the seedlings in there on top of a tray with wet perlite, crack the door and blow in some air..
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#24422954 - 06/21/17 06:17 AM (6 years, 7 months ago) |
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Solipsis said: lol your cat may have a drug problem get it some catnip maybe 
doesnt touch catnip, loves to chew on weed leaves when i have them growing, but goes crazy on erythroxylum, shes made a nest in the pot a few times
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Re: Coca growers [Re: bubbaloo]
#24423440 - 06/21/17 10:36 AM (6 years, 7 months ago) |
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bubbaloo said: Any chance someone could take a pic or provide some more info on what kind of fertilizer they use?
I went looking online for a 9-3-6 npk and didnt have much luck
Search back a few pages i posted a pic in fact
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I transplnted my babies in to 3 gallon pots.

And here is what i use as fertilizer.

I do a small scoop of each. Thw one in the bear jar is starter tone.
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Re: Coca growers [Re: bubbaloo]
#24424038 - 06/21/17 02:40 PM (6 years, 7 months ago) |
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bubbaloo said: Super stoked to find this thread. There is really shit for info out there about growing this plant. Looking forward to cuttin' it up with you guys.
Here's a few pics of my babies
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I think they're about 2 months by now. Started with ten and then the damn cat got to 4 of them. Two dead, one stalled, one injured but growing back in a weird way.
All in all i think they're coming along pretty well. They're damn slow, but coming along nonetheless
Hey bubbaloo, what soil mix do you have there, care to share? Is it perlite/peat moss or perlite/potting soil mix? Also if it is the first, doesn't the perlite make the soil way overly alkaline?
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bubbaloo said: Any chance someone could take a pic or provide some more info on what kind of fertilizer they use?
I went looking online for a 9-3-6 npk and didnt have much luck
Search back a few pages i posted a pic in fact
 Dyna gro foliage pro
Mrmazdarx9, why have you chose that fertilizer could you give some info?
Edit: It seems that they don't like nitrogen or mineral fertilizations, and they don't require no fertilization at all, since the soils it grows in don't get fertilized, they are grown naturally with lack of fertilization.
Edited by guacamolerabbit (06/21/17 03:48 PM)
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The guy i know who grows coca indoors for commerical sale his business in holland uses this npk. He does sell his own home made brew but i found one the same and it works very well for me and is about 1/4 the price of his home brew ferts but his apparently has a secret ingredient ive no idea what or if thats true.
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Well, I guess you can't really know without scientifcal approaches of testing, unfortunately. But from what I know, since these plants are acidophiles, they won't like those typical fertilizers I've mentioned earlier, I assume they would prefer acidic fertilizers (I don't know nothing about this), and from my researches the best is a liquid instead of a soluble form, soluble forms are difficult to calculate the required amounts, they better suited for in ground plantations because they filter it better, while if you use these in potting plants, they could make damages to the roots. I suppose that's why a lot of people consider using naturally characteristical soil for these plants, to try to avoid chemical focused fertilization and resort to in-ground slow releasing forms of organic fertilization (that's what I was recommended, organic fertilization).
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Well what you "know" directly conflicts what i see with my own eyes and out of the two of us i have healthy potent plants you have read a few pages, my ph is 5 -5.5 which is damn near perfect for coca. Not trying to be rude but dont tell me what my plants dont like i reckon i know by the growth rate, how the leaves look, and i assume potency is relate to because 6 small leaves completely numb my entire mouth and have me revved all the way up and i have a very high stim tolerance and coke tolerance my usual 10 in a tea started giving me weird effects i find 6 chewed with a rennies much more useful
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bubbaloo said: Super stoked to find this thread. There is really shit for info out there about growing this plant. Looking forward to cuttin' it up with you guys.
Here's a few pics of my babies
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I think they're about 2 months by now. Started with ten and then the damn cat got to 4 of them. Two dead, one stalled, one injured but growing back in a weird way.
All in all i think they're coming along pretty well. They're damn slow, but coming along nonetheless
Hey bubbaloo, what soil mix do you have there, care to share? Is it perlite/peat moss or perlite/potting soil mix? Also if it is the first, doesn't the perlite make the soil way overly alkaline?
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bubbaloo said: Any chance someone could take a pic or provide some more info on what kind of fertilizer they use?
I went looking online for a 9-3-6 npk and didnt have much luck
Search back a few pages i posted a pic in fact
 Dyna gro foliage pro
Mrmazdarx9, why have you chose that fertilizer could you give some info?
Edit: It seems that they don't like nitrogen or mineral fertilizations, and they don't require no fertilization at all, since the soils it grows in don't get fertilized, they are grown naturally with lack of fertilization.
I have problems with all this. We have said before we dont grow them in their natural environment. Natural would be we all live in south america on some plantation up in the mountains. 
Doesnt happen man. Now me i grow mine organically. No pesticides and all the slow release ferts you see in my pics.
Even growing with chemicals, they dont know the difference, the only difference is the living soil of one as opposed to the other.
I try and stay away from chemicals. Try. Not saying that i dont go chemical warfare every once and a while.
But my soil is super simple. Coco coir and perlite cut with ecoscraps potting soil. Has worked out fantastic for mw and they love it.
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Exactly doesnt matter how you get there as long as you get there, and you know your plants like your babies you know what makes them happy and you give them what they want. If someone told you your raising your children wrong based on their "knowledge" withoit knowing you youd get pretty pissed.
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I gotta give you the reason about that. These soils seem like they need to be more fertil, than just being made of simple substrate ingredients with a lack of nutrients, I assume that in the soils I've mentioned before, many fertilizers could also be used because they are integrated in the soil. now what would be the best, I don't know, but I also assume that mixing both soil and liquid fertilizers, could be better for the plants because it would have nutrients in 2 forms and potentiate its growth even more. Just like cannabis, which has better qualitys grown in specific soils, than just being grown hydroponically with just the liquid ferts.
Edited by guacamolerabbit (06/21/17 04:20 PM)
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Diatomaceous earth is mainly for ground based insects that breed or live in the ground especially root damaging ones. Or insects that walk to get to your plants, sprinkle it on top and it will work until it gets wet and solidifies, then sprinkle more. Mix it in with your soil when you make up your pots, you can get it in 5 lb bags for a couple bucks or so, will last you a long time.
For spider mites DE is not so great, hard to get it on the leaves. A good solution for mites if you grow indoors is predator mites. They can be ordered, they are mainly for large grows, a little pricey for a couple plants and will move off or die once they eat the bugs present and can't find more. Try grabbing a lady bug or two from outdoors and bring it in.
Outdoors there should be no problem, natural predators keep mites from multiplying very much.
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guacamolerabbit said: I gotta give you the reason about that. These soils seem like they need to be more fertil, than just being made of simple substrate ingredients with a lack of nutrients, I assume that in the soils I've mentioned before, many fertilizers could also be used because they are integrated in the soil. no what would be the best, I don't know, but I also assume that mixing both soil and liquid fertilizers, could be better for the plants because it would have nutrients in 2 forms and potentiate its growth even more. Just like cannabis, which has better qualitys grown in specific soils, than just being grown hydroponically with just the liquid ferts.
Hang on now your saying liquid ferts (what i use) are better after saying a minute ago that what im doing is wrong?
Cheers stonehenge i will be trying that stuff soon as i get paid. I assume i can pile it on top of the sub that my plants already grow in as i cant mix it in now. They are little beetley things and a few little flies flew out of the tent the other day
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These are the fuckers in another pot
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guacamolerabbit said: I gotta give you the reason about that. These soils seem like they need to be more fertil, than just being made of simple substrate ingredients with a lack of nutrients, I assume that in the soils I've mentioned before, many fertilizers could also be used because they are integrated in the soil. no what would be the best, I don't know, but I also assume that mixing both soil and liquid fertilizers, could be better for the plants because it would have nutrients in 2 forms and potentiate its growth even more. Just like cannabis, which has better qualitys grown in specific soils, than just being grown hydroponically with just the liquid ferts.
Hang on now your saying liquid ferts (what i use) are better after saying a minute ago that what im doing is wrong?
Cheers stonehenge i will be trying that stuff soon as i get paid. I assume i can pile it on top of the sub that my plants already grow in as i cant mix it in now. They are little beetley things and a few little flies flew out of the tent the other day
No, I mentioned that I'm looking for experiments from other users so we can all discuss it and find the best alternatives, and I was sharing the information that I had read somewhere else, I never experimented and never declared that using a non-fertilized medium was the best approach, also that's why I asked about your fertilizer, to just try and get more information.
Also, when you guys mixed your coco with the perlite, did the perlite make the coco more alkaline? has anybody tested that?
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Outdoors there should be no problem, natural predators keep mites from multiplying very much.
Very true. Even the worms that sometimes find their way to my plants seem to just fade out.
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guacamolerabbit said: I gotta give you the reason about that. These soils seem like they need to be more fertil, than just being made of simple substrate ingredients with a lack of nutrients, I assume that in the soils I've mentioned before, many fertilizers could also be used because they are integrated in the soil. no what would be the best, I don't know, but I also assume that mixing both soil and liquid fertilizers, could be better for the plants because it would have nutrients in 2 forms and potentiate its growth even more. Just like cannabis, which has better qualitys grown in specific soils, than just being grown hydroponically with just the liquid ferts.
Hang on now your saying liquid ferts (what i use) are better after saying a minute ago that what im doing is wrong?
Cheers stonehenge i will be trying that stuff soon as i get paid. I assume i can pile it on top of the sub that my plants already grow in as i cant mix it in now. They are little beetley things and a few little flies flew out of the tent the other day
No, I mentioned that I'm looking for experiments from other users so we can all discuss it and find the best alternatives, and I was sharing the information that I had read somewhere else, I never experimented and never declared that using a non-fertilized medium was the best approach, also that's why I asked about your fertilizer, to just try and get more information.
Also, when you guys mixed your coco with the perlite, did the perlite make the coco more alkaline? has anybody tested that?
Perlite has no nutrients, and with a pHof 7 to 7.5 (neutral) it does not contribute to the substrate pH. Perlitealso has no CEC.
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DE will work in the surface, give them at least 1/4" and when the beetles come out, they go through it and it starts cutting them up. When they try to burrow and lay eggs, same thing happens.
what I find is weird is that ants instinctively avoid it even though its not found in their natural environment. How do they know it will kill them? ants are smarter than we give them credit for.
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