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Re: Coca growers [Re: Solipsis]
    #24415038 - 06/18/17 12:39 PM (6 years, 7 months ago)

Good job, solipsis, I've saved a number of seedlings that way. Rainwater is best for them, put a bucket on your downspout. Put peroxide in it when you see mosquito larvae


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Re: Coca growers [Re: Stonehenge]
    #24417752 - 06/19/17 01:15 PM (6 years, 7 months ago)

Thanks for the advice :smile: I would start off with an inch of sand against fungus gnats (I assume you meant them) but on the other hand I do like to be able to see how dry the soil is more accurately..

I assume then that percabonate should also work again some insects?

Tried acidifying a bit today, started with one - I try to make it not too moist but I do have pretty good drainage (lot of perlite).. used citric acid to acidify some rainwater... I don't have a downspout, just a small jerrycan from my dad's place...


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Re: Coca growers [Re: Solipsis]
    #24417771 - 06/19/17 01:22 PM (6 years, 7 months ago)

My grow area is riddled with little cunting bugs ive let them live their life but i really would prefer they werent there. Any advice on pesticides that wont fuck up my plants? Ive used some food safe tomato bug spray killed the bugs well but messed up my leaves.


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Re: Coca growers [Re: mrmazdarx9]
    #24417814 - 06/19/17 01:38 PM (6 years, 7 months ago)

Bugs:
- Coca is amazingly resistant to insects and mites. Mealy bugs are the worst offenders. These may be removed with a forceps or cotton swab dipped in 50-70% alcohol. Keep infested plants in quarantine.
- If you have an insect problem, you will have to be careful to use only food-safe insecticides on your plants. Pyrethrin, nicotine, or neem oil based insecticides are probably the safest. Various fungal problems can also harm coca, and are more likely to happen if the plant is overwatered and the soil becomes soggy. Coca is also susceptible to blight or wilt type leaf fungi such as Fusarium. If you have any fungal problems, again, make sure you use a food-safe remedy. Something sulfur-based, for example.

Sorry, this is the only info I have on it, and it was based on other users experiences.


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Re: Coca growers [Re: guacamolerabbit]
    #24417824 - 06/19/17 01:44 PM (6 years, 7 months ago)

Pyrethrin food safe tomato insecticide is what i used but messed up my leaves very quickly. The bug dont touch the leaves they aint that stupid but they infest all my plants subs, they dont seem to be harming anything i just dont like knowing they are in there.


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Re: Coca growers [Re: mrmazdarx9]
    #24417852 - 06/19/17 01:52 PM (6 years, 7 months ago)

what do you mean by plant subs? abbreviations are complicated.


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Re: Coca growers [Re: Solipsis]
    #24418079 - 06/19/17 03:17 PM (6 years, 7 months ago)

I was referring to mosquitoes in rain water with the peroxide. When I see some larvae I put it in and it burns them up. For gnats, sand on top of soil helps but they will burrow through it. Diatomaceous earth seems the best for them. Sprinkle it liberally on top, does not hurt plants at all. Get the cheap type made for pools.


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Re: Coca growers [Re: Stonehenge]
    #24418164 - 06/19/17 04:02 PM (6 years, 7 months ago)

Subs mean substrate.
Cheers stonehendge ill give that a try.


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Re: Coca growers [Re: mrmazdarx9] * 1
    #24420176 - 06/20/17 10:54 AM (6 years, 7 months ago)

Super stoked to find this thread. There is really shit for info out there about growing this plant. Looking forward to cuttin' it up with you guys.

Here's a few pics of my babies

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I think they're about 2 months by now. Started with ten and then the damn cat got to 4 of them. Two dead, one stalled, one injured but growing back in a weird way.

All in all i think they're coming along pretty well. They're damn slow, but coming along nonetheless


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Re: Coca growers [Re: mrmazdarx9]
    #24420287 - 06/20/17 11:39 AM (6 years, 7 months ago)

Right, the diatom earth is much sharper microscopically i guess so it damages the particularly young ones or larvae considerably more i think..

No mosquito larvae in this rainwater but I might have seen another sort of insect, tiny black, almond shaped with pretty visible antennae. Not sure what that might be but hope not thrips, I don't want eggs of those a-holes in my novos..

I think you should try to identify any insects you see that are harmful and/or you want killed - not all insecticides are broad-spectrum are they?
For some, insecticidal soap / fatty soap (potassium fatty acids) should help and is 'eco-friendly'. Pyrethrins is a step up, got that too, more serious but it breaks down relatively fast.

Be careful with some of these cause they can be phytotoxic and harm parts of your plants, don't give them too intense light when applying some of these insecticides and try it on one plant or one part first.

Your babies look wonderful bubbaloo :>  Hope to see something like that soon with my novo's... Leaves are just starting to develop, not sure why they are getting a bit wispy but maybe because I had not helped to unburden some berry flesh first - corrected that..

I should find a fan for airflow very soon... although not sure how you use a humidity dome sort of thing while at the same time providing ventilation.

How big should they be before you can start to adapt them to your regular indoors conditions?


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Re: Coca growers [Re: bubbaloo]
    #24420371 - 06/20/17 12:19 PM (6 years, 7 months ago)

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Super stoked to find this thread. There is really shit for info out there about growing this plant. Looking forward to cuttin' it up with you guys.

Here's a few pics of my babies

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I think they're about 2 months by now. Started with ten and then the damn cat got to 4 of them. Two dead, one stalled, one injured but growing back in a weird way.

All in all i think they're coming along pretty well. They're damn slow, but coming along nonetheless




Hey there, have ypu had to stake up any of your seedlings? All the ones i ever had ive had to stake,up.


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Re: Coca growers [Re: ferrel_human]
    #24420388 - 06/20/17 12:28 PM (6 years, 7 months ago)

Mine only needed staking when it got a decent size mainly because it had shitty light so im guessing it stretched it. Still cant support itself but its starting to balance out on the other side now.


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Re: Coca growers [Re: mrmazdarx9]
    #24420465 - 06/20/17 12:58 PM (6 years, 7 months ago)

The sun here is too brutal for them to be in. So mine stretched at the begining. Thats when they qere staked up but now they have a nice woody trunk. They receive early morning sun and then from like 10 am and on its jjust shade.


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Re: Coca growers [Re: ferrel_human]
    #24420646 - 06/20/17 01:59 PM (6 years, 7 months ago)

I was reading novo like shade and e coca prefer sun. Mine love the bright light mine are e.coca. i just chewed 6 small leaves with a rennies antiacid thing worked well nice numb mouth so my fear of not plucking until now doesnt seem to have effected the potency thankfully.


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Re: Coca growers [Re: mrmazdarx9]
    #24420769 - 06/20/17 02:47 PM (6 years, 7 months ago)

Well my e novo thrive in the shade
Never grown coca before.


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Re: Coca growers [Re: ferrel_human]
    #24420854 - 06/20/17 03:17 PM (6 years, 7 months ago)

Novo are slightly higher alkaloid amount 0.10-0.20 % more on average but it balances out with that e.coca have larger leaves from what ive read.


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Re: Coca growers [Re: ferrel_human]
    #24420860 - 06/20/17 03:20 PM (6 years, 7 months ago)

novo do best in the shade. if you turn them constantly they will grow straight, but staking is often necessary. diatomaceous earth is like tiny little razor blades to the soft parts of insects. even ants will avoid it, it gets into their joints and starts cutting. have not seen any bug bother my novo outside except a few grasshopper bites. the hoppers probably got buzzed and started running around then got caught by a bird maybe. i will have berries ready to plant in a week or two.


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    #24421865 - 06/20/17 07:42 PM (6 years, 7 months ago)

They can take a lot of sun, but they don't like it and will show you that they are protesting. Partial shade here yields continual berries and flowers when temperatures are high enough for them to be outside.

I don't ever have pest problems aside from the occasional inch worm.


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Re: Coca growers [Re: naum]
    #24421882 - 06/20/17 07:48 PM (6 years, 7 months ago)

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I don't ever have pest problems aside from the occasional inch worm.




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Re: Coca growers [Re: ferrel_human]
    #24422376 - 06/20/17 11:06 PM (6 years, 7 months ago)

i havent had any insect problems at all, only thing i have to deal with is the cat constantly eating the leaves, but it saves me from having to prune so not all bad


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