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Re: Coca growers [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #24375566 - 06/04/17 04:14 AM (6 years, 7 months ago)

By the way, keep us informed, (preferably with pictures) about how your experiment, plucking the leaves goes! :smile:

I'm sure we'd all appreciate it. From what I understand, at certain stages in it's lifespan, it can actually be good for the plant.


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Re: Coca growers [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #24375650 - 06/04/17 05:25 AM (6 years, 7 months ago)

What? Novogranatense in coca cola to this day? They get rid of the cocaine? Not in the US i assume?

Thank you for the information earlier, all! So looking at the N:P:K aren't phosphates at least important initially for root growth? No bonemeal then?

I have 3 or 4 berries germinated in my sphagnum... almost long enough root to plant in my carefully made sanitized soil (coir based soil pasteurized, perlite and sand sterilized).

Am pretty scared to noob this up and worried that pests like spider mites which reared their heads and supposedly are here to stay, but also other issues I am trying to deal with will affect the seedlings... But hey will do my best :smile:

I already got a tip for 'quarantining' the planted seeds... by the way are you supposed to remove any berry flesh to prevent molding of the seed when planting?


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Re: Coca growers [Re: Solipsis]
    #24375788 - 06/04/17 07:04 AM (6 years, 7 months ago)

Yep still use coca for flavour decocainised though. Ive read if you dont regularly pluck the leaves it causes the alkaloids to completely leave the plant leaving just a tree.


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Re: Coca growers [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #24375799 - 06/04/17 07:16 AM (6 years, 7 months ago)

Wow interesting ^ :smile:

Yeah I don't care a huge lot about the cocaine, I don't like it much as a pure drug (though tried it only once). I love coca tea but i have leaves already that I don't use probably because my ADD meds do a similar job...

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9-3-4 i use 2.5ml per 5 litre ph down to 5-6




How often do you fertilize?

I'm curious too, roughly how many drops of pH down do you use in distilled water to get the correct pH, because I don't have a pH meter, and I don't wanna waste money on a cheap one. In the past, I have just put a few tbps of 5% vinegar in a gallon of distilled water. I have no idea what the pH was lol!

I have been considering using an organic fertilizer, like fish fertilizer, or Fox Farm's 'big bloom'... It's main constituent is bat guano, I believe.




If you meant tablespoons then if a few would mean like 40 ml (15 per tbsp) of 5% vinegar, I think that would give you a pH of about 3.4

40 ml 5% vinegar gives about 2 grams of acetic acid = 33.3 mmol, in a gallon this is 8.8 mM
pH = 0.5* (4.76 - log (0.0088)) = ~3.4

to get a pH of 5.5 a mere 2.6 mg of 5% vinegar should be enough for a gallon which would be a drop after diluting the vinegar 20x... if my calculations are correct of course

weird shit but it's logarithmic

So guys, would it be smart to spray the soil with fungicide when planting? I see this being done with giant sequoia... not sure about the harm:benefit ratio.


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Re: Coca growers [Re: Solipsis]
    #24376105 - 06/04/17 09:42 AM (6 years, 7 months ago)

I was probably way over-vinegaring my water lol. I'm pretty sure the pH of the soil balanced things out just fine though. Honestly, I often used tap water also, which has a fairly high pH around here :smile:


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Re: Coca growers [Re: Solipsis]
    #24376401 - 06/04/17 11:32 AM (6 years, 7 months ago)

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What? Novogranatense in coca cola to this day? They get rid of the cocaine? Not in the US i assume?




There is a single company that is responsible for importing and extracting the flavors into a syrup which is then sold to Coca-Cola. The cocaine is sold to another pharmaceutical company check out this article.

Check out this article:

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Re: Coca growers [Re: naum]
    #24377112 - 06/04/17 03:54 PM (6 years, 7 months ago)

Hey Solipsis, I've noticed that no bugs at all are interested in my Novos. During the winters all of my other plants might get spider mites or aphids, but they stayed off of my Novos. Makes me wonder if cocaine functions as a pesticide to protect the plant.


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Re: Coca growers [Re: JizzMasterZero]
    #24377134 - 06/04/17 04:03 PM (6 years, 7 months ago)

I beleive it does yeah


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Re: Coca growers [Re: mrmazdarx9]
    #24378928 - 06/05/17 08:48 AM (6 years, 7 months ago)

Excellent, that's good news :smile: If it turns out it's not enough I'll make some Ritalin into a spray..

No cocaine in the roots though i guess? (I don't suppose you are gonna tell me a story about rootbeer now ;D)

I'm surprised that medicinal cocaine is not obsolete?.. i mean novocaine lidocaine etc..

@pH, not sure how well soil buffers but that might keep it reasonable... do you do any pH tests? Like on the soil sometimes if not on the water you give?

I added a little bit of sphagnum to my soil mix but I doubt it was enough..

Couldn't find peroxide to make some new sphagnum substrate for my germinating berries (they have regulated it more strictly because of synthesis of explosives with it) but I can use percarbonate.

Not sure how quickly those roots grow out of seeds but 2 of them may be due soon. Am just finishing up making a lightshield for my fluorescent fixture... I mean: wake-up lights are effective but I don't like waking up and going half-blind..


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Re: Coca growers [Re: Solipsis]
    #24379040 - 06/05/17 09:21 AM (6 years, 7 months ago)

You know, I would think that cocaine was obsolete also. Honestly, I'd be willing to bet that most of it is distributed illegally.


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Re: Coca growers [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #24379229 - 06/05/17 10:25 AM (6 years, 7 months ago)

Wouldn't there be the most stringent regulations overseeing it (I think the article says so)?

Through some way or another the US government may be making billions profiting from the 'war on drugs' and just letting drugs back on the streets etc, but it would be pretty stupid for them to do it overtly like via coca cola's cocaine... If there were a scandal with that it would be much bigger than any other where they might blame others for drugs finding their way back to the street.

If there were not enough legitimate use for cocaine (one use would be in research as a comparison now that i think of it) someone could very easily pick up on the fact that this coca cola coke is bullshit.

Not sure but things like cocaine for research might be more expensive for researchers even than street coke anyway.


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Re: Coca growers [Re: Solipsis]
    #24379317 - 06/05/17 11:02 AM (6 years, 7 months ago)

Cocaine and morphine were used to euthanize a British king, George V. Had to meet that press deadline!


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Re: Coca growers [Re: Mostly_Harmless]
    #24379318 - 06/05/17 11:02 AM (6 years, 7 months ago)

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Re: Coca growers [Re: mrmazdarx9]
    #24379336 - 06/05/17 11:13 AM (6 years, 7 months ago)

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Ok this is interesting, i you would dissolve pure cocaine into a liquid form you would have a great insecticide


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Re: Coca growers [Re: DualWieldRake]
    #24379532 - 06/05/17 12:35 PM (6 years, 7 months ago)

Yeah but i wouldnt be spraying it on any insects :snort:
My grow tent is currently infested with little fucking critters and they eat the khat, papaver leaves, salvia leaves but never touch the coca.


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    #24380292 - 06/05/17 05:43 PM (6 years, 7 months ago)

I've had grasshoppers eat the novo leaves a little bit but haven't seen any mites


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    #24380533 - 06/05/17 06:59 PM (6 years, 7 months ago)

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We're not here to censor you, but we are here to pull the weeds and crush the mealy bugs to keep the garden a nice and healthy place that we all want to hang out in.

Some of the comments in this thread have devolved into flaming and/or baiting.

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Saying things like this is a bit more borderline:

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Stonehenge and bad karma go hand in hand. Never been able to keep a single plant grown from his shitty seed alive. I swear its rittled with bad karma.




It goes beyond just the facts and attacks Stonehenge.

Saying something like "I did not have any luck with his seed" or "I ended up with much healthier plants from seed from Modern.Shaman" should suffice.




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Re: Coca growers [Re: Solipsis]
    #24380840 - 06/05/17 08:43 PM (6 years, 7 months ago)

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Wouldn't there be the most stringent regulations overseeing it (I think the article says so)?

Through some way or another the US government may be making billions profiting from the 'war on drugs' and just letting drugs back on the streets etc, but it would be pretty stupid for them to do it overtly like via coca cola's cocaine... If there were a scandal with that it would be much bigger than any other where they might blame others for drugs finding their way back to the street.

If there were not enough legitimate use for cocaine (one use would be in research as a comparison now that i think of it) someone could very easily pick up on the fact that this coca cola coke is bullshit.

Not sure but things like cocaine for research might be more expensive for researchers even than street coke anyway.




There are really stringent regulations. That's why there is a single licensed importer that makes the flavor extract for Coca Cola and single licensed broker of the cocaine that is extracted who refines it for use as a pharmaceutical drug.

Cocaine for reasearch is highly regulated too. It is certainly more expensive than street cocaine.

Let's get back on topic though: Erythroxylum growing.


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Re: Coca growers [Re: naum]
    #24382096 - 06/06/17 11:07 AM (6 years, 7 months ago)


Here are pictures before and after I harvested leaves from one of my Novos today. It was really bushy and had a lot of growth at the bottom. It looks like I didn't prune this one when I did the others 6 weeks


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Re: Coca growers [Re: JizzMasterZero]
    #24382135 - 06/06/17 11:20 AM (6 years, 7 months ago)

Mine really needs it but i really dont want to i know its for the best but it rook so long to get it going this well.


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