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Re: Coca growers [Re: mrmazdarx9]
    #24368161 - 06/01/17 02:43 PM (6 years, 7 months ago)

I'm expecting some novo berries, really excited about it :smile:

Went to the garden center and picked up some old stuff and now have pH tests, what should be proper soil: coco peat soil, a little compost instead of worm castings, perlite, sand and some ground down sphagnum moss until pH is nice and low-ish..

Will be taking down some fluorescent tubes which are now in a sort of cove with trellis inside and suspend them instead. Then cleaning the shit out of my bedroom where I will be growing the novo's and probably nothing else..

Fungicide and pesticide just in case...

It's kinda hot here lately but other than that I can easily keep the apartment at 19-20C without much heating all year round so should be fine for the novo's.

Is it fine to use regular plant food though or a bit of dry manure?


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Re: Coca growers [Re: Solipsis]
    #24368189 - 06/01/17 02:59 PM (6 years, 7 months ago)

I use an orchid food that i found after the guy i got my seeds off told me the perfect ratio. He sells bottles but they are pricey i found it much cheaper.

Somehow i fucked up the picture foliage pro is the cut off word.
I grow mine in perlite and coir.


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Re: Coca growers [Re: mrmazdarx9]
    #24369482 - 06/01/17 11:01 PM (6 years, 7 months ago)

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I use an orchid food that i found after the guy i got my seeds off told me the perfect ratio. He sells bottles but they are pricey i found it much cheaper.

Somehow i fucked up the picture foliage pro is the cut off word.
I grow mine in perlite and coir.




And what would that ratio be?


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Re: Coca growers [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #24369982 - 06/02/17 06:26 AM (6 years, 7 months ago)

9-3-4 i use 2.5ml per 5 litre ph down to 5-6


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Re: Coca growers [Re: mrmazdarx9]
    #24370813 - 06/02/17 12:20 PM (6 years, 7 months ago)

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9-3-4 i use 2.5ml per 5 litre ph down to 5-6




How often do you fertilize?

I'm curious too, roughly how many drops of pH down do you use in distilled water to get the correct pH, because I don't have a pH meter, and I don't wanna waste money on a cheap one. In the past, I have just put a few tbps of 5% vinegar in a gallon of distilled water. I have no idea what the pH was lol!

I have been considering using an organic fertilizer, like fish fertilizer, or Fox Farm's 'big bloom'... It's main constituent is bat guano, I believe.


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Re: Coca growers [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #24371110 - 06/02/17 02:10 PM (6 years, 7 months ago)

I use tap water and i use 2-3 drops of ph down per five litres and that is the water i water with each time and i get nice lime green leaves and no nute burn. I water when the pots feel light and they look physically dry i also dip my finger in the soil to check its not moist lower down. I found with mine at least this has massively increase growth rate and as i said earlier brought two plants back to lofe that looked dead all the branches shriveled up and the tips turned black.


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Re: Coca growers [Re: ferrel_human]
    #24371961 - 06/02/17 06:40 PM (6 years, 7 months ago)

ferrel, that is very unfair. that is like the noob growing pot who says they all eventually died so the seed must be bad. If they sprout they are good the rest is up to the grower. I killed all my first plants, we all had a learning period. Now you have it down and are getting better results.


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Re: Coca growers [Re: Stonehenge]
    #24372147 - 06/02/17 07:56 PM (6 years, 7 months ago)

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ferrel, that is very unfair. that is like the noob growing pot who says they all eventually died so the seed must be bad. If they sprout they are good the rest is up to the grower. I killed all my first plants, we all had a learning period. Now you have it down and are getting better results.




We traded, what, like 3 times? Every time you asked for,more and more. And every seed was fraught with problems. I'm not the only to say that though. Ive messaged with several other who feel the same. And its the reason we will never trade again.

I hold no ill will towards you either. You are who you are and I am what's me am.

Its all good man. We aint made of gold to be loved by all.

Good day bro :wave:


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Re: Coca growers [Re: ferrel_human]
    #24372372 - 06/02/17 09:36 PM (6 years, 7 months ago)

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ferrel, that is very unfair. that is like the noob growing pot who says they all eventually died so the seed must be bad. If they sprout they are good the rest is up to the grower. I killed all my first plants, we all had a learning period. Now you have it down and are getting better results.




We traded, what, like 3 times? Every time you asked for,more and more. And every seed was fraught with problems. I'm not the only to say that though. Ive messaged with several other who feel the same. And its the reason we will never trade again.

I hold no ill will towards you either. You are who you are and I am what's me am.

Its all good man. We aint made of gold to be loved by all.

Good day bro :wave:




We aint made of gold to be loved by all? That's an interesting statement lol... I dig.


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Re: Coca growers [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #24373092 - 06/03/17 08:12 AM (6 years, 7 months ago)

We're not here to censor you, but we are here to pull the weeds and crush the mealy bugs to keep the garden a nice and healthy place that we all want to hang out in.

Some of the comments in this thread have devolved into flaming and/or baiting.

[Example of flaming removed by moderator -naum 06/04/2017]

Saying things like this is a bit more borderline:

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Stonehenge and bad karma go hand in hand. Never been able to keep a single plant grown from his shitty seed alive. I swear its rittled with bad karma.




It goes beyond just the facts and attacks Stonehenge.

Saying something like "I did not have any luck with his seed" or "I ended up with much healthier plants from seed from Modern.Shaman" should suffice.[/color]


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Re: Coca growers [Re: naum] * 1
    #24374033 - 06/03/17 03:19 PM (6 years, 7 months ago)

The only problem I've had with stonehenges plants if forgetting to water them, which is of course not at all his fault. Excellent germ rates :shrug: Here is one that I grew from stonehenges seed. The picture on the right is of a cutting i'm attempting using clonex rooting gel. I took the cutting a few days after mothers day. It had two nodes, I cut off the lower one and used clonex on it as well. That lower branch is the one with the flower bud, which showed up on Thursday.



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Re: Coca growers [Re: Chemical Addiction]
    #24374047 - 06/03/17 03:24 PM (6 years, 7 months ago)

Well done ive never seen a coca cutting take :thumbup:


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Re: Coca growers [Re: mrmazdarx9]
    #24374054 - 06/03/17 03:26 PM (6 years, 7 months ago)

I still don't know if it has or just slowly dying, but I did see a cutting take by another member, let me see if I can find that post


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Re: Coca growers [Re: Chemical Addiction]
    #24374057 - 06/03/17 03:28 PM (6 years, 7 months ago)

Here it is, my plant isn't nearly big enough to try this though :lol:


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Re: Coca growers [Re: Chemical Addiction]
    #24374139 - 06/03/17 04:03 PM (6 years, 7 months ago)

Sweet such a woody branch too, id be made up to have a branch that thick let alone a cutting.


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Re: Coca growers [Re: ferrel_human]
    #24374175 - 06/03/17 04:16 PM (6 years, 7 months ago)

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>every seed was fraught with problems.

"fraught with problems"??? it couldn't be that you were a noob and didn't know how to take care of them could it? As I said, if the seed sprouts it has done its job and the rest is up to the grower. I keep my end of every bargain.

@bbw, if I said those things I would be banned no doubt. How is it you get a free pass and the comments are still up? You are one of the few I had to put on ignore because of crap like that.

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>The only problem I've had with stonehenges plants if forgetting to water them, which is of course not at all his fault. Excellent germ rates

Thank you for the honest post. I've lost plants, everyone has but when it happens I blame myself, not where I got the seed from. The cuttings I send are cut just before shipping and put in a damp towel. It costs money for postage, yes I look for something in return. If someone had come to me when I had lots of seeds and said all their plants died from my seed I would send some freebies and tips on how to keep them alive next time. But no, I get knocked instead. I had a lot for a while last year but not now.

I have no novo seeds available, a few of my plants died this winter in spite of my efforts. It happens to everyone now and then. A strange thing happened a few weeks ago. One of my biggest plants seemed to die over a couple days. I went out to water them and all were fine except for the big one which appeared to be dead. Not a leaf on it. I kept watering it in hope and a few days ago I went out again to water since it hadn't rained in a few days and lo and behold it had leaves all over it and buds. Looks like I might get a few berries out of it to replenish my stock. I have had no berries since last year.

Novo is very drought sensitive, almost as much as kratom. Sometimes they die for no apparent reason even after they are past the seedling stage.


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Re: Coca growers [Re: naum]
    #24374746 - 06/03/17 08:01 PM (6 years, 7 months ago)

My apologies. Stonehenge and I have a bit of a history.


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Re: Coca growers [Re: mrmazdarx9]
    #24375324 - 06/04/17 12:42 AM (6 years, 7 months ago)

I've got some coca cuttings from 6 weeks ago. They look healthy, but no roots. I'm going to toss them in a week when I start rooting kratom.


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Re: Coca growers [Re: JizzMasterZero]
    #24375380 - 06/04/17 01:16 AM (6 years, 7 months ago)

Is anybody growing E. coca? It seems that everybody, at least in the US, grows only E. novo., and I wonder why that is the case.
Also, how does everybody go about harvesting? So far I've only collected dead leaves in the winter and what I got from pruning them a month ago. I guess they just pluck leaves from the stems in South America, and it sounds like they get 3 or so harvest every year. I think I'm going to strip the majority of leaves from a few branches just to see how the plant rebounds.


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Re: Coca growers [Re: JizzMasterZero]
    #24375558 - 06/04/17 04:10 AM (6 years, 7 months ago)

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Is anybody growing E. coca? It seems that everybody, at least in the US, grows only E. novo., and I wonder why that is the case.
Also, how does everybody go about harvesting? So far I've only collected dead leaves in the winter and what I got from pruning them a month ago. I guess they just pluck leaves from the stems in South America, and it sounds like they get 3 or so harvest every year. I think I'm going to strip the majority of leaves from a few branches just to see how the plant rebounds.




E. Coca poses a more legitimate legal risk. E. Coca is more difficult to cultivate, and requires a lower soil pH. E. Coca doesn't produce the same alkyloid content at lower altitudes (Novogranatense produces the same alkyloids).

E. Coca is grown for cocaine production. It has less cocaine/g of leaf on average, but the leaves are larger, which means it produces more cocaine overall. E. Coca is not as good for making a quid, as it is much more bitter. E. Coca is a more fragile plant, and special care must be taken with it, if it is grown outside its natural habitat.

Novogranatense is what Coca Cola is still made with, to this day. It is 'chewers coca'. It has a much more pleasant taste.


All of that said, I know where to get some E Coca berries, and I am considering doing so, for novelty. I believe it can interbreed with Novos also.

None of the information I have provided is derived from personal experience, mind you. I have never seen an E. Coca plant, and never partaken of E. Novogranatense, though I have attempted to grow it a couple times in the past.


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