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Acideater69

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Why are DMT based psychedelics so bizzare compared to phenethylamines and lysergis?
#23393924 - 06/29/16 11:33 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Perhaps this is just me, but I'm curious if anyone else feels the same way. I know all psychedelics are pretty bizzare in general, but I find that high doses of DMT compunds (DMT, Psilocin, 4 ho dmt, 4 aco dmt, 5 meo dmt, etc) tend to have this "alien weirdness" that even high doses of lsd, 2c drugs, and mescaline cant give me.
Maybe I'm just imagining it, but DMT substances feel like visiting an interdimesional circus, and other psychs just feel more personal and less weird. Any theories as to why this is?
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Re: Why are DMT based psychedelics so bizzare compared to phenethylamines and lysergis? [Re: Acideater69]
#23394138 - 06/29/16 12:32 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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I'm not connecting any dots to my experiences with your description. I think I'd be able to say, in general tryptamines are "beautifully emotional" while lyseramides are "vividly interactive".
I can't say anything on phenethylamines at the moment.
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Re: Why are DMT based psychedelics so bizzare compared to phenethylamines and lysergis? [Re: ExpelErebus]
#23394415 - 06/29/16 02:17 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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ExpelErebus said: I'm not connecting any dots to my experiences with your description. I think I'd be able to say, in general tryptamines are "beautifully emotional" while lyseramides are "vividly interactive".
I can't say anything on phenethylamines at the moment.
Yeah, it's probably just me. Maybe i just never tripped hard enough on lysgeramides. I always feel like "entity contact" is far more likely on tryptamines
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Re: Why are DMT based psychedelics so bizzare compared to phenethylamines and lysergis? [Re: Acideater69]
#23394502 - 06/29/16 02:46 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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LSD and DMT end up at the same place, the first just gives a very zen, nihilistic answer and the latter gives a very dynamic, infinite answer. It is still the same answer.
Higher doses of LSD begin to feel like ayahuasca, where any dose 700ug+ will leave you in a very similar state to ayahuasca.
Also LSD feels very, very alien to me. They actually call the starting point to make LSD from, Ergotamine Tartate, "the alien". Maybe because of the E.T anagram, or maybe because they believe it to be an alien entity.
Either way, you are the alien, you're just realizing it by getting in contact with your'elf'.
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Re: Why are DMT based psychedelics so bizzare compared to phenethylamines and lysergis? [Re: Typerwritermonky]
#23394700 - 06/29/16 04:00 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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I feel like Phenethylamines, being more of a body-thing and having more recreational use, sacrifice the amazing Mind-blowing things that Tryptamines have so that you can use them more for recreation. I use Phenthylamines by myself a lot but I find them way more "Fun" and useful as well, but useful more for emotional or body work. Although the only Phenethylamime I've used and use now is 2-CB so I may be biased towards that one drug.
I've only done LSD once but I agree with the people who say that it is focused on the personal psyche. It's visuals are like halfway in between Phenethylamines and Tryptamines I guess. Probably because it's both a Phenethylamine and a Tryptamine (an Ergoline, really but the structure has Phen and Tryp). But LSD as well is something you can take and have fun on. It's just that it can get pretty rough on your mind if you have something it wants to address.
The Tryptamines, you sacrifice the Phenethylamine "Fun' and "Recreational" stuff, and you sacrifice the Ergoline/LSD "Personal-Psyche evaluation and coherence of visions" for the pursuit of just having your fucking Mind Blown with weirdness and Alien-Beauty. In my opinion that's the best and most life-changing of all the Psychedelic 'Pursuits' you could go after. Although I find all Psychedelics useful.
Why? Who knows. With the Phenethylamine I guess it's obvious. They're more Body-focused and recreational so you sacrifice quality-of-visions.
With LSD... Well. IT has Phenethylamine qualities and Tryptamine qualities, so it's in the middle. At least that's how I understand them.
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Re: Why are DMT based psychedelics so bizzare compared to phenethylamines and lysergis? [Re: Typerwritermonky] 2
#23394830 - 06/29/16 04:34 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Typerwritermonky said: LSD and DMT end up at the same place,
That is not true.
LSD cant come close to a heavy mushroom or dmt experiences.
Sorry but all you LSD enthusiasts that havent explored DMT-related psychs do not even know the half of whats going on with this stuff..
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Re: Why are DMT based psychedelics so bizzare compared to phenethylamines and lysergis? [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
#23395062 - 06/29/16 06:07 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Why are phens and lysergamides so bizzarre comparing to DMT? Its all perspective.. DMT is naturally produced in our bodies, easy ascension and cleansing seems like the most "normal" psychedelic for me. It feels like its suppose to be happening, where as others do not. I truly feel at ease on DMT breakthroughs where as other psychedelics do nothing comparing close to the divinity, DMT breakthrough is an art form, a message and wisdom for the soul.
Theres too much "hype" around DMT smoked and ayahuasca its like these drugs are worlds more powerful and cleansing than others, its just not true. You can get the same results from doing it properly and ritualistically like ayahuasca, take 5 grams of cubensis by your self in nature will get you the same results.
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Re: Why are DMT based psychedelics so bizzare compared to phenethylamines and lysergis? [Re: Eclipse3130]
#23395105 - 06/29/16 06:23 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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I agree. The weirdness and mind-blowing power of the Tryptamines actually feel much more at home than the Phens and LSD do. It's a really interesting thing to think about how the alienness feels like such a natural thing.
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Re: Why are DMT based psychedelics so bizzare compared to phenethylamines and lysergis? [Re: mctaveesh]
#23395112 - 06/29/16 06:25 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Dmt is simply truth. There's nothing alien about it, unless that is you can't understand what you are perceiving. That's where wisdom is attained, if you're using DMT spiritually, there is no room for abuse, the lessons attained are life long.
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Re: Why are DMT based psychedelics so bizzare compared to phenethylamines and lysergis? [Re: Eclipse3130]
#23395208 - 06/29/16 06:55 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Lsd is is very within our reality where dmt will shatter your world. High doses of lsd can kinda compare with having entity contact or ego loss but each drug has a very distinct feeling.
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Re: Why are DMT based psychedelics so bizzare compared to phenethylamines and lysergis? [Re: SonicTitan]
#23395216 - 06/29/16 07:00 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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If there is nothing alien about a spaceship resembling slightly the millennium falcon then yeah dmt isnt alien at all
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Re: Why are DMT based psychedelics so bizzare compared to phenethylamines and lysergis? [Re: Acideater69]
#23395293 - 06/29/16 07:31 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Because aliens
Never had lysergamines but phenethylamines definitely are no match for the tryptamines especially the pure tryptamines.
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Re: Why are DMT based psychedelics so bizzare compared to phenethylamines and lysergis? [Re: mctaveesh]
#23395306 - 06/29/16 07:39 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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I've only done LSD once but I agree with the people who say that it is focused on the personal psyche. It's visuals are like halfway in between Phenethylamines and Tryptamines I guess. Probably because it's both a Phenethylamine and a Tryptamine (an Ergoline, really but the structure has Phen and Tryp). But LSD as well is something you can take and have fun on. It's just that it can get pretty rough on your mind if you have something it wants to address.
That's actually a myth, LSD isn't a phenethylamine and doesn't have the structure of one either. And to me it feels nothing like them at all. I have seen entities on LSD and gotten the crazy cosmic emotional rush of beauty and thought that phenethylamines never even came close to.
LSD is an ergoline and a tryptamine and to me feels almost entirely like a tryptamine it just doesn't have that timeless, lively, geometric, cleansing feel that psilocybin and I assume Ayahuasca also has.
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Re: Why are DMT based psychedelics so bizzare compared to phenethylamines and lysergis? [Re: AuroraBorealis88]
#23395357 - 06/29/16 07:58 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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On milligram + doses of lsd, its very comparable to shrooms, actually last time i took lsd + shrooms, the shrooms told me the lsd would teach me plenty and we need to leave your body like 2 minutes ago. They were very polite and told me i had to purge lol but i always see quetzalcoatl on high doses
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Re: Why are DMT based psychedelics so bizzare compared to phenethylamines and lysergis? [Re: AuroraBorealis88]
#23396164 - 06/30/16 01:39 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Some consider it both because it has Phenethylamine and Tryptamine structure. But it's moreso tryptamine I believe which is why people consider it Tryptamine. I usually just say LSD is an ergoline and has qualities of both Phen's and Trypt's. It's slightly more recreational feeling than Tryptamines and isn't quite as magial as Tryptamines.
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Re: Why are DMT based psychedelics so bizzare compared to phenethylamines and lysergis? [Re: mctaveesh]
#23396185 - 06/30/16 02:11 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Breathtaking visions on acid and shrooms, a more than real reality on DMT. So unlike.
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Re: Why are DMT based psychedelics so bizzare compared to phenethylamines and lysergis? [Re: Northerner] 1
#23396590 - 06/30/16 07:03 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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LSD is purely recreational for me now.
I have never seen entities on lsd.
But i had one of the top 3 experiences of my life on lsd mixed with spice (or it was weed i forget)
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Re: Why are DMT based psychedelics so bizzare compared to phenethylamines and lysergis? [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
#23396641 - 06/30/16 07:27 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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I've never seen entities on lsd alone, but with nitrous one time trees turned into spirits and came at me. Couldn't understand what they were trying to communicate, but it wasn't scary.
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Re: Why are DMT based psychedelics so bizzare compared to phenethylamines and lysergis? [Re: AuroraBorealis88]
#23397088 - 06/30/16 10:55 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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AuroraBorealis88 said: Because aliens
Never had lysergamines but phenethylamines definitely are no match for the tryptamines especially the pure tryptamines.
You said you have never done a lysergamide then in your next post you say you have done LSD. 
Also LSD does have phenethylamine in its structure. Google an image of LSD's chemical structure.
And what is a "pure trpyamine"? all tryptamines could exist in varying states of purity. Unless you mean compounds that are only tryptamines and lack the phenethylamine backbone but you just denyed that LSD has that so i do not understand.
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Re: Why are DMT based psychedelics so bizzare compared to phenethylamines and lysergis? [Re: mctaveesh]
#23397284 - 06/30/16 12:00 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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mctaveesh said: Some consider it both because it has Phenethylamine and Tryptamine structure. But it's moreso tryptamine I believe which is why people consider it Tryptamine. I usually just say LSD is an ergoline and has qualities of both Phen's and Trypt's. It's slightly more recreational feeling than Tryptamines and isn't quite as magial as Tryptamines.
No that's actually not true. If you look at the molecule it actually has nothing in common with phenethylamines, it doesn't have a phenyl ring. This is just something somebody made up somewhere because LSD is more lucid than most tryptamines but that's most likely only because it is an ergoline as well. People tried to pass it off as being "partially a phenethylamine" just because it wasn't as confusing and as dynamic as mushrooms but it's not at all true. Looking at the chemical it is for the most part a tryptamine. I've never gotten anything resembling phenethylamine-type effects either other than euclidean geometry and magnification auras. Other than that they are not even comparable to me. Acid is other worldly and heavenly but phenethylamines are just not that. Not even close to that imo.
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Bill_Oreily said: LSD is purely recreational for me now.
I have never seen entities on lsd.
Yea I mean I only saw entities like twice and once on my first trip but I think it was 99% due to set and setting because it happened to my friend as well. We were listening to the Beatles song Across the Universe and apparently it has a mantra in it that is supposed to raise the mind to higher consciousness. The music turned into vibrations and the vibrations somehow either formed or opened up my perception to see this hyperdimensional geometric, vibratory Hindu alien god type thing. It only felt slightly "eastern/hindu" though it felt like 95% alien/higher dimensional. It looked sort of like a pray mantis too. Little did I know that song had quite a bit to do with "vibrations" as well and had the Om chant in it which I think symbolizes the universal vibration which allows things to come into existence. Pretty creepy. I would have never ever expected to see entities on a synthetic chemical like LSD. Maybe it's because I went into it with such low expectations.
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BANANA.MAN said: You said you have never done a lysergamide then in your next post you say you have done LSD. 
Also LSD does have phenethylamine in its structure. Google an image of LSD's chemical structure.
And what is a "pure trpyamine"? all tryptamines could exist in varying states of purity. Unless you mean compounds that are only tryptamines and lack the phenethylamine backbone but you just denyed that LSD has that so i do not understand.
I meant a lysergamine besides LSD. By "pure tryptamine" yes I meant a compound that was just a tryptamine. Not also an ergoline which is what LSD is. Nothing in common with phenethylamines not in the structure or the effects.
Edited by AuroraBorealis88 (06/30/16 12:02 PM)
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Re: Why are DMT based psychedelics so bizzare compared to phenethylamines and lysergis? [Re: AuroraBorealis88]
#23397386 - 06/30/16 12:40 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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When I come in contact with "entities" on mushrooms they seem much more internal and chattery and swimmy and more full of personality and humorous eternal wonder. It's however less like the classic face to face encounter with an autonomous transdimensional/hyperdimensional entity. These entities often shoot some kind of knowledge or feelings through you and they seem very important and very nonhuman. Nonphysical
Mushrooms more so just shows you this whole thing all of it is just a funny game and all other trips on all other substances are just twists of this game but shrooms for some reason feels like the baseline... And I feel like the mushroom itself has a mind and spirit and there definitely is a spirit of the mushroom. Some people say they feel LSD has a spirit but that's not what my experience resembles at all. LSD to me simply has a character but does not feel alive and full of predetermined lessons like psilocybin.
On mushrooms the entities I see whether it's transdimensional beings or seemingly alien spirits or "nature spirits"as I'm told by some people..? Regardless most all of it to me feels like some kind of supernatural metabolic remote viewing experience on a timeless galactic scale. Except those swimmy chattery 'beings' can feel pretty physical and there.
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Re: Why are DMT based psychedelics so bizzare compared to phenethylamines and lysergis? [Re: AuroraBorealis88]
#23397402 - 06/30/16 12:44 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Yeah...whenever anyome talks about LSD entities they always describe something in the midst of chaos. Such as "it was like swirling shapes pulsating in the form of an elf creature"
but when i got the few contact experiences that occured, the entities were always clear as day, right in front of you, with no other chaos to distract you.
like when i was visited by a starship...it was just plain and simply a starship entity. There nothing else in the room..nothing else around it..etc.
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Re: Why are DMT based psychedelics so bizzare compared to phenethylamines and lysergis? [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
#23397576 - 06/30/16 01:32 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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The entity on LSD looked sort of like this

But more like a pray mantis. It's funny because this is one of the first things that pops up when you type in 'hyperdimensional beings' into Google image.
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Re: Why are DMT based psychedelics so bizzare compared to phenethylamines and lysergis? [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
#24144840 - 03/07/17 08:33 PM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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Bill_Oreilly said: If there is nothing alien about a spaceship resembling slightly the millennium falcon then yeah dmt isnt alien at all
What's alien about that? Han and Lando were just men. lol
Anyway, I concur. I've been very far gone on LSD, 2CE, and bridgesii, but they never seemed as alien as mushrooms or DMT. On multiple occasions, I've seen aliens resembling those from Mars Attacks on both mushrooms and DMT.
As for the neurochemistry behind these differences, that requires further exploration. But one possible facet - mushrooms and DMT have no affinity for D2 dopamine receptors, whereas mescaline and LSD agonize these receptors. To further complicate things, the 5-HT2A serotonin receptor is important for psychedelic effects, but some 5-HT2A receptor agonists (e.g., lisuride) lack psychedelic effects. This is a complex issue.
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Re: Why are DMT based psychedelics so bizzare compared to phenethylamines and lysergis? [Re: Acideater69]
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Re: Why are DMT based psychedelics so bizzare compared to phenethylamines and lysergis? [Re: Acideater69]
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Acideater69 said: Perhaps this is just me, but I'm curious if anyone else feels the same way. I know all psychedelics are pretty bizzare in general, but I find that high doses of DMT compunds (DMT, Psilocin, 4 ho dmt, 4 aco dmt, 5 meo dmt, etc) tend to have this "alien weirdness" that even high doses of lsd, 2c drugs, and mescaline cant give me.
Maybe I'm just imagining it, but DMT substances feel like visiting an interdimesional circus, and other psychs just feel more personal and less weird. Any theories as to why this is?
I agree.
I cant answer the question but i agree totally
LSD is weak compared to the dmt related chemicals
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Re: Why are DMT based psychedelics so bizzare compared to phenethylamines and lysergis? [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
#24146076 - 03/08/17 11:16 AM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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Bill_Oreilly said: I agree.
I cant answer the question but i agree totally
LSD is weak compared to the dmt related chemicals
Hey I saw your oral DMT thread and noticed you said mushrooms felt very earthy for you? Is that true?
For me mushrooms was always really science fictiony and it had this whole wonky, humorous kind of off-world tone to it. Sometimes though my mushroom trips will veer off into pretty exotic and somewhat earthy archetypes; like I'm in a South American jungle or something kind of like how I would picture Ayahuasca being. And then lastly and very occasionally it will be this mythical almost Celtic and elfin scenario and it's quite animated and lively and things can seem pretty mystical and impish. There's other reoccurring themes I've experienced but these are the main ones I have noticed.
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Re: Why are DMT based psychedelics so bizzare compared to phenethylamines and lysergis? [Re: AuroraBorealis88]
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I have seen terminator in his skull form when i was on 25i! Lol
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Re: Why are DMT based psychedelics so bizzare compared to phenethylamines and lysergis? [Re: AuroraBorealis88] 1
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Bill_Oreilly said: I agree.
I cant answer the question but i agree totally
LSD is weak compared to the dmt related chemicals
Hey I saw your oral DMT thread and noticed you said mushrooms felt very earthy for you? Is that true?
For me mushrooms was always really science fictiony and it had this whole wonky, humorous kind of off-world tone to it. Sometimes though my mushroom trips will veer off into pretty exotic and somewhat earthy archetypes; like I'm in a South American jungle or something kind of like how I would picture Ayahuasca being. And then lastly and very occasionally it will be this mythical almost Celtic and elfin scenario and it's quite animated and lively and things can seem pretty mystical and impish. There's other reoccurring themes I've experienced but these are the main ones I have noticed.
It only feels earthy compared to LSD. But yeah mushrooms are very "intergalactic insectoid space technology"
Oral DMT is just fucking "computer alien anaesthetically technologically fuckery"
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Re: Why are DMT based psychedelics so bizzare compared to phenethylamines and lysergis? [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
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Re: Why are DMT based psychedelics so bizzare compared to phenethylamines and lysergis? [Re: oontribe] 1
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Re: Why are DMT based psychedelics so bizzare compared to phenethylamines and lysergis? [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
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It only feels earthy compared to LSD. But yeah mushrooms are very "intergalactic insectoid space technology"
Oral DMT is just fucking "computer alien anaesthetically technologically fuckery"
One time on 4-Aco-DMT I saw a UFO crash-landed it my bedroom. I went inside the UFO and saw a bunch of crazy-complex technology and lights and shit.
That's my favorite kind of trip. Where you see technology that so complicated that it looks like nature.
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Re: Why are DMT based psychedelics so bizzare compared to phenethylamines and lysergis? [Re: mctaveesh]
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It only feels earthy compared to LSD. But yeah mushrooms are very "intergalactic insectoid space technology"
Oral DMT is just fucking "computer alien anaesthetically technologically fuckery"
One time on 4-Aco-DMT I saw a UFO crash-landed it my bedroom. I went inside the UFO and saw a bunch of crazy-complex technology and lights and shit.
That's my favorite kind of trip. Where you see technology that so complicated that it looks like nature.
That is ridiculous. I would love to have an experience like that...holy shit
On 4-aco-dmt i witnessed a massive angelic battle between souls of good vs evil in hyperspace
-------------------- Something there is mysteriously formed, Existing before Heaven and Earth, Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging, All-pervading, unfailing, I do not know its name; I call it tao. If forced to give it a name, I call it Great (ta). Being great, it flows out; Flowing out means far-reaching; Being far-reaching, it is said to return. It's just a shot away..
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Re: Why are DMT based psychedelics so bizzare compared to phenethylamines and lysergis? [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
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That is ridiculous. I would love to have an experience like that...holy shit
On 4-aco-dmt i witnessed a massive angelic battle between souls of good vs evil in hyperspace
Take 100mg 
That sounds fucking amazing also tbh.
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Re: Why are DMT based psychedelics so bizzare compared to phenethylamines and lysergis? [Re: mctaveesh]
#24147257 - 03/08/17 07:43 PM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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Man thats a lot of fucking 4-aco-dmt..20-50 is where i max out
-------------------- Something there is mysteriously formed, Existing before Heaven and Earth, Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging, All-pervading, unfailing, I do not know its name; I call it tao. If forced to give it a name, I call it Great (ta). Being great, it flows out; Flowing out means far-reaching; Being far-reaching, it is said to return. It's just a shot away..
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Re: Why are DMT based psychedelics so bizzare compared to phenethylamines and lysergis? [Re: Acideater69]
#24147270 - 03/08/17 07:47 PM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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DMT's effects are not THAT different from other tryptamines. Specifically, DPT is legendarily even stronger than DMT at what DMT does best. Others like DET are also supposed to be very DMT like. Even 4-ho-met is already heading in that direction. If more people did DPT, DET, etc. they probably wouldn't say that DMT is so unique. It's just that not that many people have done the others.
Also in terms of why tryptamines are so different than phens and lysergamindes, I have just one word for you: dopamine. Oh, and also because every psychedelic hits different receptors to a different degree and there are a TON of serotonin AND dopamine receptor types. In addition, certain receptors can be activated in a number of different ways, and so different psychedelics might activate certain receptors in relatively unique ways.
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Re: Why are DMT based psychedelics so bizzare compared to phenethylamines and lysergis? [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
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Bill_Oreilly said: I agree.
I cant answer the question but i agree totally
LSD is weak compared to the dmt related chemicals
Hey I saw your oral DMT thread and noticed you said mushrooms felt very earthy for you? Is that true?
For me mushrooms was always really science fictiony and it had this whole wonky, humorous kind of off-world tone to it. Sometimes though my mushroom trips will veer off into pretty exotic and somewhat earthy archetypes; like I'm in a South American jungle or something kind of like how I would picture Ayahuasca being. And then lastly and very occasionally it will be this mythical almost Celtic and elfin scenario and it's quite animated and lively and things can seem pretty mystical and impish. There's other reoccurring themes I've experienced but these are the main ones I have noticed.
It only feels earthy compared to LSD. But yeah mushrooms are very "intergalactic insectoid space technology"
Oral DMT is just fucking "computer alien anaesthetically technologically fuckery"
Man, I really gotta try oral DMT soon.
I'm always blown away by how technological everything becomes on vaped DMT. I vaped it out in the woods once, and it really did not mesh with nature at all for me. I remember all the sounds of the woods seemed like they were playing on a loop, as if the sounds of reality were being simulated and played on a turn table.
Ever since my DMT experiences, some aspects of my mushroom trips have changed. Now I get more auditory hallucinations on mushrooms, and nature seems more foreboding. A few months ago I had a long, ominous interaction with some pine trees about how I don't appreciate nature, only to finally have the trees accept me by the end of our exchange.
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Re: Why are DMT based psychedelics so bizzare compared to phenethylamines and lysergis? [Re: breeg89]
#24147393 - 03/08/17 08:33 PM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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I'm always blown away by how technological everything becomes on vaped DMT. I vaped it out in the woods once, and it really did not mesh with nature at all for me.
I've had very similar experiences with high doses of mushrooms in nature.. Things just turn all futuristic, highly polished and technological and it just doesn't match up with the typical nature appreciation vibe.
I've also heard of/and had eerily similar experiences with psilocybin and like what you described with the tree. I find the general beginning of the mushroom trip foreboding anyways.
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Re: Why are DMT based psychedelics so bizzare compared to phenethylamines and lysergis? [Re: AuroraBorealis88]
#24147442 - 03/08/17 08:56 PM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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Am i the only one that doesnt like LSD in the dark? I feel like there are no hallucinations in a dark room and you basically waste the experience.
LSD needs to be experienced in light so you can actually see the visual distortions and all that
Sorry i know that was random. Its just my last lsd trip was great and all but i did it in a dark room and the only good part was when i had the lights on
-------------------- Something there is mysteriously formed, Existing before Heaven and Earth, Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging, All-pervading, unfailing, I do not know its name; I call it tao. If forced to give it a name, I call it Great (ta). Being great, it flows out; Flowing out means far-reaching; Being far-reaching, it is said to return. It's just a shot away..
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Re: Why are DMT based psychedelics so bizzare compared to phenethylamines and lysergis? [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
#24147456 - 03/08/17 09:00 PM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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I need to dose high on the lysergamides to get good hallucinations in the dark.
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Re: Why are DMT based psychedelics so bizzare compared to phenethylamines and lysergis? [Re: nooneman]
#24147465 - 03/08/17 09:01 PM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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nooneman said: I need to dose high on the lysergamides to get good hallucinations in the dark.
I dosed 150ug and it was boring. No visions in the dark whatsoever. Very dissapointing.
Thanks for that nooneman
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Re: Why are DMT based psychedelics so bizzare compared to phenethylamines and lysergis? [Re: Kalendula]
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Grof said his first experience with LSD involved the use of a brain wave machine and he said the machine induced an out of body experience during his trip:
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Re: Why are DMT based psychedelics so bizzare compared to phenethylamines and lysergis? [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
#24147666 - 03/08/17 10:46 PM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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Bill_Oreilly said: Am i the only one that doesnt like LSD in the dark? I feel like there are no hallucinations in a dark room and you basically waste the experience.
LSD needs to be experienced in light so you can actually see the visual distortions and all that
Sorry i know that was random. Its just my last lsd trip was great and all but i did it in a dark room and the only good part was when i had the lights on
I've never done LSD in silent darkness and can't really picture doing that anyways. It's not like there's a "visionary stage" like you see in drugs such as mushrooms and iboga and yea it's more of a visual distortion thing, not really much to be gained from in silent darkness but then again I've never tried it. LSD just never seemed like that kind of drug to me, it's not an engaging or visionary journey it's more like a perceptual state of mind and isn't as alive.
LSD at night is awesome but alone in silent darkness it's probably not worthwhile.
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Re: Why are DMT based psychedelics so bizzare compared to phenethylamines and lysergis? [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
#24147923 - 03/09/17 02:16 AM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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Bill. I'm guessing you had "alien sex" on mushrooms?
Because I have too.
And it was glorious.
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Re: Why are DMT based psychedelics so bizzare compared to phenethylamines and lysergis? [Re: mctaveesh]
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mctaveesh said: Bill. I'm guessing you had "alien sex" on mushrooms?
Because I have too.
And it was glorious.
Oral DMT actually
-------------------- Something there is mysteriously formed, Existing before Heaven and Earth, Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging, All-pervading, unfailing, I do not know its name; I call it tao. If forced to give it a name, I call it Great (ta). Being great, it flows out; Flowing out means far-reaching; Being far-reaching, it is said to return. It's just a shot away..
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