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OfflineAuroraBorealis88
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Re: Why are DMT based psychedelics so bizzare compared to phenethylamines and lysergis? [Re: AuroraBorealis88]
    #23397386 - 06/30/16 12:40 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

When I come in contact with "entities" on mushrooms they seem much more internal and chattery and swimmy and more full of personality and humorous eternal wonder. It's however less like the classic face to face encounter with an autonomous transdimensional/hyperdimensional entity. These entities often shoot some kind of knowledge or feelings through you and they seem very important and very nonhuman. Nonphysical

Mushrooms more so just shows you this whole thing all of it is just a funny game and all other trips on all other substances are just twists of this game but shrooms for some reason feels like the baseline... And I feel like the mushroom itself has a mind and spirit and there definitely is a spirit of the mushroom. Some people say they feel LSD has a spirit but that's not what my experience resembles at all. LSD to me simply has a character but does not feel alive and full of predetermined lessons like psilocybin.

On mushrooms the entities I see whether it's transdimensional beings or seemingly alien spirits or "nature spirits"as I'm told by some people..? Regardless most all of it to me feels like some kind of supernatural metabolic remote viewing experience on a timeless galactic scale. Except those swimmy chattery 'beings' can feel pretty physical and there.


Edited by AuroraBorealis88 (06/30/16 12:43 PM)


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Re: Why are DMT based psychedelics so bizzare compared to phenethylamines and lysergis? [Re: AuroraBorealis88]
    #23397402 - 06/30/16 12:44 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Yeah...whenever anyome talks about LSD entities they always describe something in the midst of chaos. Such as "it was like swirling shapes pulsating in the form of an elf creature"

but when i got the few contact experiences that occured, the entities were always clear as day, right in front of you, with no other chaos to distract you.

like when i was visited by a starship...it was just plain and simply a starship entity. There nothing else in the room..nothing else around it..etc.


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Something there is mysteriously formed,
Existing before Heaven and Earth,
Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging,
All-pervading, unfailing,
I do not know its name; I call it tao.
If forced to give it a name, I call it
Great (ta). Being great, it flows out;
Flowing out means far-reaching;
Being far-reaching, it is said to return.


It's just a shot away..


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Re: Why are DMT based psychedelics so bizzare compared to phenethylamines and lysergis? [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #23397576 - 06/30/16 01:32 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

The entity on LSD looked sort of like this



But more like a pray mantis.
It's funny because this is one of the first things that pops up when you type in 'hyperdimensional beings' into Google image.


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Re: Why are DMT based psychedelics so bizzare compared to phenethylamines and lysergis? [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #24144840 - 03/07/17 08:33 PM (6 years, 10 months ago)

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If there is nothing alien about a spaceship resembling slightly the millennium falcon then yeah dmt isnt alien at all




What's alien about that? Han and Lando were just men. lol

Anyway, I concur. I've been very far gone on LSD, 2CE, and bridgesii, but they never seemed as alien as mushrooms or DMT. On multiple occasions, I've seen aliens resembling those from Mars Attacks on both mushrooms and DMT.

As for the neurochemistry behind these differences, that requires further exploration. But one possible facet - mushrooms and DMT have no affinity for D2 dopamine receptors, whereas mescaline and LSD agonize these receptors. To further complicate things, the 5-HT2A serotonin receptor is important for psychedelic effects, but some 5-HT2A receptor agonists (e.g., lisuride) lack psychedelic effects. This is a complex issue.


Edited by breeg89 (03/07/17 09:01 PM)


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Re: Why are DMT based psychedelics so bizzare compared to phenethylamines and lysergis? [Re: Acideater69]
    #24144885 - 03/07/17 09:00 PM (6 years, 10 months ago)



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Re: Why are DMT based psychedelics so bizzare compared to phenethylamines and lysergis? [Re: Acideater69]
    #24145603 - 03/08/17 06:38 AM (6 years, 10 months ago)

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Acideater69 said:
Perhaps this is just me, but I'm curious if anyone else feels the same way. I know all psychedelics are pretty bizzare in general, but I find that high doses of DMT compunds (DMT, Psilocin, 4 ho dmt, 4 aco dmt, 5 meo dmt, etc) tend to have this "alien weirdness" that even high doses of lsd, 2c drugs, and mescaline cant give me.

Maybe I'm just imagining it, but DMT substances feel like visiting an interdimesional circus, and other psychs just feel more personal and less weird. Any theories as to why this is?





I agree.

I cant answer the question but i agree totally

LSD is weak compared to the dmt related chemicals


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Something there is mysteriously formed,
Existing before Heaven and Earth,
Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging,
All-pervading, unfailing,
I do not know its name; I call it tao.
If forced to give it a name, I call it
Great (ta). Being great, it flows out;
Flowing out means far-reaching;
Being far-reaching, it is said to return.


It's just a shot away..


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Re: Why are DMT based psychedelics so bizzare compared to phenethylamines and lysergis? [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #24146076 - 03/08/17 11:16 AM (6 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

Bill_Oreilly said:
I agree.

I cant answer the question but i agree totally

LSD is weak compared to the dmt related chemicals




Hey I saw your oral DMT thread and noticed you said mushrooms felt very earthy for you? Is that true?

For me mushrooms was always really science fictiony and it had this whole wonky, humorous kind of off-world tone to it. Sometimes though my mushroom trips will veer off into pretty exotic and somewhat earthy archetypes; like I'm in a South American jungle or something kind of like how I would picture Ayahuasca being.
And then lastly and very occasionally it will be this mythical almost Celtic and elfin scenario and it's quite animated and lively and things can seem pretty mystical and impish. There's other reoccurring themes I've experienced but these are the main ones I have noticed.


Edited by AuroraBorealis88 (03/08/17 11:18 AM)


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Re: Why are DMT based psychedelics so bizzare compared to phenethylamines and lysergis? [Re: AuroraBorealis88]
    #24146208 - 03/08/17 12:24 PM (6 years, 10 months ago)

I have seen terminator in his skull form when i was on 25i! Lol


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Re: Why are DMT based psychedelics so bizzare compared to phenethylamines and lysergis? [Re: AuroraBorealis88] * 1
    #24146439 - 03/08/17 01:58 PM (6 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

AuroraBorealis88 said:
Quote:

Bill_Oreilly said:
I agree.

I cant answer the question but i agree totally

LSD is weak compared to the dmt related chemicals




Hey I saw your oral DMT thread and noticed you said mushrooms felt very earthy for you? Is that true?

For me mushrooms was always really science fictiony and it had this whole wonky, humorous kind of off-world tone to it. Sometimes though my mushroom trips will veer off into pretty exotic and somewhat earthy archetypes; like I'm in a South American jungle or something kind of like how I would picture Ayahuasca being.
And then lastly and very occasionally it will be this mythical almost Celtic and elfin scenario and it's quite animated and lively and things can seem pretty mystical and impish. There's other reoccurring themes I've experienced but these are the main ones I have noticed.





It only feels earthy compared to LSD. But yeah mushrooms are very "intergalactic insectoid space technology"

Oral DMT is just fucking "computer alien anaesthetically technologically fuckery"


--------------------
Something there is mysteriously formed,
Existing before Heaven and Earth,
Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging,
All-pervading, unfailing,
I do not know its name; I call it tao.
If forced to give it a name, I call it
Great (ta). Being great, it flows out;
Flowing out means far-reaching;
Being far-reaching, it is said to return.


It's just a shot away..


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Re: Why are DMT based psychedelics so bizzare compared to phenethylamines and lysergis? [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #24146450 - 03/08/17 02:03 PM (6 years, 10 months ago)

Lool


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Re: Why are DMT based psychedelics so bizzare compared to phenethylamines and lysergis? [Re: oontribe] * 1
    #24146478 - 03/08/17 02:16 PM (6 years, 10 months ago)

Acid is crystalised mushroom snot.


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Re: Why are DMT based psychedelics so bizzare compared to phenethylamines and lysergis? [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #24146810 - 03/08/17 04:30 PM (6 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

Bill_Oreilly said:


It only feels earthy compared to LSD. But yeah mushrooms are very "intergalactic insectoid space technology"

Oral DMT is just fucking "computer alien anaesthetically technologically fuckery"





One time on 4-Aco-DMT I saw a UFO crash-landed it my bedroom. I went inside the UFO and saw a bunch of crazy-complex technology and lights and shit.

That's my favorite kind of trip. Where you see technology that so complicated that it looks like nature.


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"humans are like cubes, lots of strains but cubes a cube. Not much difference really."


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Re: Why are DMT based psychedelics so bizzare compared to phenethylamines and lysergis? [Re: mctaveesh]
    #24147116 - 03/08/17 06:51 PM (6 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

mctaveesh said:
Quote:

Bill_Oreilly said:


It only feels earthy compared to LSD. But yeah mushrooms are very "intergalactic insectoid space technology"

Oral DMT is just fucking "computer alien anaesthetically technologically fuckery"





One time on 4-Aco-DMT I saw a UFO crash-landed it my bedroom. I went inside the UFO and saw a bunch of crazy-complex technology and lights and shit.

That's my favorite kind of trip. Where you see technology that so complicated that it looks like nature.





That is ridiculous. I would love to have an experience like that...holy shit


On 4-aco-dmt i witnessed a massive angelic battle between souls of good vs evil in hyperspace


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Something there is mysteriously formed,
Existing before Heaven and Earth,
Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging,
All-pervading, unfailing,
I do not know its name; I call it tao.
If forced to give it a name, I call it
Great (ta). Being great, it flows out;
Flowing out means far-reaching;
Being far-reaching, it is said to return.


It's just a shot away..


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Re: Why are DMT based psychedelics so bizzare compared to phenethylamines and lysergis? [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #24147146 - 03/08/17 07:01 PM (6 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

Bill_Oreilly said:


That is ridiculous. I would love to have an experience like that...holy shit


On 4-aco-dmt i witnessed a massive angelic battle between souls of good vs evil in hyperspace




Take 100mg :laugh:

That sounds fucking amazing also tbh. :shocked:


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Re: Why are DMT based psychedelics so bizzare compared to phenethylamines and lysergis? [Re: mctaveesh]
    #24147257 - 03/08/17 07:43 PM (6 years, 10 months ago)

Man thats a lot of fucking 4-aco-dmt..20-50 is where i max out :lol:


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Something there is mysteriously formed,
Existing before Heaven and Earth,
Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging,
All-pervading, unfailing,
I do not know its name; I call it tao.
If forced to give it a name, I call it
Great (ta). Being great, it flows out;
Flowing out means far-reaching;
Being far-reaching, it is said to return.


It's just a shot away..


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Re: Why are DMT based psychedelics so bizzare compared to phenethylamines and lysergis? [Re: Acideater69]
    #24147270 - 03/08/17 07:47 PM (6 years, 10 months ago)

DMT's effects are not THAT different from other tryptamines. Specifically, DPT is legendarily even stronger than DMT at what DMT does best. Others like DET are also supposed to be very DMT like. Even 4-ho-met is already heading in that direction. If more people did DPT, DET, etc. they probably wouldn't say that DMT is so unique. It's just that not that many people have done the others.

Also in terms of why tryptamines are so different than phens and lysergamindes, I have just one word for you: dopamine. Oh, and also because every psychedelic hits different receptors to a different degree and there are a TON of serotonin AND dopamine receptor types. In addition, certain receptors can be activated in a number of different ways, and so different psychedelics might activate certain receptors in relatively unique ways.


Edited by nooneman (03/08/17 08:15 PM)


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Re: Why are DMT based psychedelics so bizzare compared to phenethylamines and lysergis? [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #24147370 - 03/08/17 08:24 PM (6 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

Bill_Oreilly said:
Quote:

AuroraBorealis88 said:
Quote:

Bill_Oreilly said:
I agree.

I cant answer the question but i agree totally

LSD is weak compared to the dmt related chemicals




Hey I saw your oral DMT thread and noticed you said mushrooms felt very earthy for you? Is that true?

For me mushrooms was always really science fictiony and it had this whole wonky, humorous kind of off-world tone to it. Sometimes though my mushroom trips will veer off into pretty exotic and somewhat earthy archetypes; like I'm in a South American jungle or something kind of like how I would picture Ayahuasca being.
And then lastly and very occasionally it will be this mythical almost Celtic and elfin scenario and it's quite animated and lively and things can seem pretty mystical and impish. There's other reoccurring themes I've experienced but these are the main ones I have noticed.





It only feels earthy compared to LSD. But yeah mushrooms are very "intergalactic insectoid space technology"

Oral DMT is just fucking "computer alien anaesthetically technologically fuckery"




Man, I really gotta try oral DMT soon.

I'm always blown away by how technological everything becomes on vaped DMT. I vaped it out in the woods once, and it really did not mesh with nature at all for me. I remember all the sounds of the woods seemed like they were playing on a loop, as if the sounds of reality were being simulated and played on a turn table.

Ever since my DMT experiences, some aspects of my mushroom trips have changed. Now I get more auditory hallucinations on mushrooms, and nature seems more foreboding. A few months ago I had a long, ominous interaction with some pine trees about how I don't appreciate nature, only to finally have the trees accept me by the end of our exchange.


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Re: Why are DMT based psychedelics so bizzare compared to phenethylamines and lysergis? [Re: breeg89]
    #24147393 - 03/08/17 08:33 PM (6 years, 10 months ago)

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I'm always blown away by how technological everything becomes on vaped DMT. I vaped it out in the woods once, and it really did not mesh with nature at all for me.




I've had very similar experiences with high doses of mushrooms in nature..
Things just turn all futuristic, highly polished and technological and it just doesn't match up with the typical nature appreciation vibe.

I've also heard of/and had eerily similar experiences with psilocybin and like what you described with the tree. I find the general beginning of the mushroom trip foreboding anyways.


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Re: Why are DMT based psychedelics so bizzare compared to phenethylamines and lysergis? [Re: AuroraBorealis88]
    #24147442 - 03/08/17 08:56 PM (6 years, 10 months ago)

Am i the only one that doesnt like LSD in the dark? I feel like there are no hallucinations in a dark room and you basically waste the experience.

LSD needs to be experienced in light so you can actually see the visual distortions and all that

Sorry i know that was random. Its just my last lsd trip was great and all but i did it in a dark room and the only good part was when i had the lights on


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Something there is mysteriously formed,
Existing before Heaven and Earth,
Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging,
All-pervading, unfailing,
I do not know its name; I call it tao.
If forced to give it a name, I call it
Great (ta). Being great, it flows out;
Flowing out means far-reaching;
Being far-reaching, it is said to return.


It's just a shot away..


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Re: Why are DMT based psychedelics so bizzare compared to phenethylamines and lysergis? [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #24147456 - 03/08/17 09:00 PM (6 years, 10 months ago)

I need to dose high on the lysergamides to get good hallucinations in the dark.


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