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Why are DMT based psychedelics so bizzare compared to phenethylamines and lysergis?
    #23393924 - 06/29/16 11:33 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Perhaps this is just me, but I'm curious if anyone else feels the same way. I know all psychedelics are pretty bizzare in general, but I find that high doses of DMT compunds (DMT, Psilocin, 4 ho dmt, 4 aco dmt, 5 meo dmt, etc) tend to have this "alien weirdness" that even high doses of lsd, 2c drugs, and mescaline cant give me.

Maybe I'm just imagining it, but DMT substances feel like visiting an interdimesional circus, and other psychs just feel more personal and less weird. Any theories as to why this is?


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Re: Why are DMT based psychedelics so bizzare compared to phenethylamines and lysergis? [Re: Acideater69]
    #23394138 - 06/29/16 12:32 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

I'm not connecting any dots to my experiences with your description.
I think I'd be able to say, in general tryptamines are "beautifully emotional" while lyseramides are "vividly interactive".

I can't say anything on phenethylamines at the moment.


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Re: Why are DMT based psychedelics so bizzare compared to phenethylamines and lysergis? [Re: ExpelErebus]
    #23394415 - 06/29/16 02:17 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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ExpelErebus said:
I'm not connecting any dots to my experiences with your description.
I think I'd be able to say, in general tryptamines are "beautifully emotional" while lyseramides are "vividly interactive".

I can't say anything on phenethylamines at the moment.




Yeah, it's probably just me. Maybe i just never tripped hard enough on lysgeramides. I always feel like "entity contact" is far more likely on tryptamines


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Re: Why are DMT based psychedelics so bizzare compared to phenethylamines and lysergis? [Re: Acideater69]
    #23394502 - 06/29/16 02:46 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

LSD and DMT end up at the same place, the first just gives a very zen, nihilistic answer and the latter gives a very dynamic, infinite answer.  It is still the same answer.

Higher doses of LSD begin to feel like ayahuasca, where any dose 700ug+ will leave you in a very similar state to ayahuasca.

Also LSD feels very, very alien to me.  They actually call the starting point to make LSD from, Ergotamine Tartate, "the alien".  Maybe because of the E.T anagram, or maybe because they believe it to be an alien entity.

Either way, you are the alien, you're just realizing it by getting in contact with your'elf'.


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Re: Why are DMT based psychedelics so bizzare compared to phenethylamines and lysergis? [Re: Typerwritermonky]
    #23394700 - 06/29/16 04:00 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

I feel like Phenethylamines, being more of a body-thing and having more recreational use, sacrifice the amazing Mind-blowing things that Tryptamines have so that you can use them more for recreation. I use Phenthylamines by myself a lot but I find them way more "Fun" and useful as well, but useful more for emotional or body work. Although the only Phenethylamime I've used and use now is 2-CB so I may be biased towards that one drug.

I've only done LSD once but I agree with the people who say that it is focused on the personal psyche. It's visuals are like halfway in between Phenethylamines and Tryptamines I guess. Probably because it's both a Phenethylamine and a Tryptamine (an Ergoline, really but the structure has Phen and Tryp). But LSD as well is something you can take and have fun on. It's just that it can get pretty rough on your mind if you have something it wants to address.

The Tryptamines, you sacrifice the Phenethylamine "Fun' and "Recreational" stuff, and you sacrifice the Ergoline/LSD "Personal-Psyche evaluation and coherence of visions" for the pursuit of just having your fucking Mind Blown with weirdness and Alien-Beauty. In my opinion that's the best and most life-changing of all the Psychedelic 'Pursuits' you could go after. Although I find all Psychedelics useful.

Why? Who knows. With the Phenethylamine I guess it's obvious. They're more Body-focused and recreational so you sacrifice quality-of-visions.

With LSD... Well. IT has Phenethylamine qualities and Tryptamine qualities, so it's in the middle. At least that's how I understand them.


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Re: Why are DMT based psychedelics so bizzare compared to phenethylamines and lysergis? [Re: Typerwritermonky] * 2
    #23394830 - 06/29/16 04:34 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Typerwritermonky said:
LSD and DMT end up at the same place,





That is not true.


LSD cant come close to a heavy mushroom or dmt experiences.

Sorry but all you LSD enthusiasts that havent explored DMT-related psychs do not even know the half of whats going on with this stuff..


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Great (ta). Being great, it flows out;
Flowing out means far-reaching;
Being far-reaching, it is said to return.


It's just a shot away..


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Re: Why are DMT based psychedelics so bizzare compared to phenethylamines and lysergis? [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #23395062 - 06/29/16 06:07 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Why are phens and lysergamides so bizzarre comparing to DMT? Its all perspective.. DMT is naturally produced in our bodies, easy ascension and cleansing seems like the most "normal" psychedelic for me. It feels like its suppose to be happening, where as others do not. I truly feel at ease on DMT breakthroughs where as other psychedelics do nothing comparing close to the divinity, DMT breakthrough is an art form, a message and wisdom for the soul.


Theres too much "hype" around DMT smoked and ayahuasca its like these drugs are worlds more powerful and cleansing than others, its just not true. You can get the same results from doing it properly and ritualistically like ayahuasca, take 5 grams of cubensis by your self in nature will get you the same results.


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Re: Why are DMT based psychedelics so bizzare compared to phenethylamines and lysergis? [Re: Eclipse3130]
    #23395105 - 06/29/16 06:23 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

I agree. The weirdness and mind-blowing power of the Tryptamines actually feel much more at home than the Phens and LSD do. It's a really interesting thing to think about how the alienness feels like such a natural thing.


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Re: Why are DMT based psychedelics so bizzare compared to phenethylamines and lysergis? [Re: mctaveesh]
    #23395112 - 06/29/16 06:25 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Dmt is simply truth. There's nothing alien about it, unless that is you can't understand what you are perceiving. That's where wisdom is attained, if you're using DMT spiritually, there is no room for abuse, the lessons attained are life long.


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Re: Why are DMT based psychedelics so bizzare compared to phenethylamines and lysergis? [Re: Eclipse3130]
    #23395208 - 06/29/16 06:55 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Lsd is is very within our reality where dmt will shatter your world. High doses of lsd can kinda compare with having entity contact or ego loss but each drug has a very distinct feeling.


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Re: Why are DMT based psychedelics so bizzare compared to phenethylamines and lysergis? [Re: SonicTitan]
    #23395216 - 06/29/16 07:00 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

If there is nothing alien about a spaceship resembling slightly the millennium falcon then yeah dmt isnt alien at all


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Great (ta). Being great, it flows out;
Flowing out means far-reaching;
Being far-reaching, it is said to return.


It's just a shot away..


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Re: Why are DMT based psychedelics so bizzare compared to phenethylamines and lysergis? [Re: Acideater69]
    #23395293 - 06/29/16 07:31 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Because aliens


Never had lysergamines but phenethylamines definitely are no match for the tryptamines especially the pure tryptamines.


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Re: Why are DMT based psychedelics so bizzare compared to phenethylamines and lysergis? [Re: mctaveesh]
    #23395306 - 06/29/16 07:39 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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I've only done LSD once but I agree with the people who say that it is focused on the personal psyche. It's visuals are like halfway in between Phenethylamines and Tryptamines I guess. Probably because it's both a Phenethylamine and a Tryptamine (an Ergoline, really but the structure has Phen and Tryp). But LSD as well is something you can take and have fun on. It's just that it can get pretty rough on your mind if you have something it wants to address.





That's actually a myth, LSD isn't a phenethylamine and doesn't have the structure of one either. And to me it feels nothing like them at all. I have seen entities on LSD and gotten the crazy cosmic emotional rush of beauty and thought that phenethylamines never even came close to.

LSD is an ergoline and a tryptamine and to me feels almost entirely like a tryptamine it just doesn't have that timeless, lively, geometric, cleansing feel that psilocybin and I assume Ayahuasca also has.


Edited by AuroraBorealis88 (06/29/16 07:40 PM)


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Re: Why are DMT based psychedelics so bizzare compared to phenethylamines and lysergis? [Re: AuroraBorealis88]
    #23395357 - 06/29/16 07:58 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

On milligram + doses of lsd, its very comparable to shrooms, actually last time i took lsd + shrooms, the shrooms told me the lsd would teach me plenty and we need to leave your body like 2 minutes ago. They were very polite and told me i had to purge lol but i always see quetzalcoatl on high doses


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Re: Why are DMT based psychedelics so bizzare compared to phenethylamines and lysergis? [Re: AuroraBorealis88]
    #23396164 - 06/30/16 01:39 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Some consider it both because it has Phenethylamine and Tryptamine structure. But it's moreso tryptamine I believe which is why people consider it Tryptamine. I usually just say LSD is an ergoline and has qualities of both Phen's and Trypt's. It's slightly more recreational feeling than Tryptamines and isn't quite as magial as Tryptamines.


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Re: Why are DMT based psychedelics so bizzare compared to phenethylamines and lysergis? [Re: mctaveesh]
    #23396185 - 06/30/16 02:11 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Breathtaking visions on acid and shrooms, a more than real reality on DMT. So unlike.


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Re: Why are DMT based psychedelics so bizzare compared to phenethylamines and lysergis? [Re: Northerner] * 1
    #23396590 - 06/30/16 07:03 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

LSD is purely recreational for me now.

I have never seen entities on lsd.

But i had one of the top 3 experiences of my life on lsd mixed with spice (or it was weed i forget)


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Re: Why are DMT based psychedelics so bizzare compared to phenethylamines and lysergis? [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #23396641 - 06/30/16 07:27 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

I've never seen entities on lsd alone, but with nitrous one time trees turned into spirits and came at me. Couldn't understand what they were trying to communicate, but it wasn't scary.


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Re: Why are DMT based psychedelics so bizzare compared to phenethylamines and lysergis? [Re: AuroraBorealis88]
    #23397088 - 06/30/16 10:55 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Because aliens


Never had lysergamines but phenethylamines definitely are no match for the tryptamines especially the pure tryptamines.



You said you have never done a lysergamide then in your next post you say you have done LSD. :lolwut:

Also LSD does have phenethylamine in its structure. Google an image of LSD's chemical structure.

And what is a "pure trpyamine"? all tryptamines could exist in varying states of purity. Unless you mean compounds that are only tryptamines and lack the phenethylamine backbone but you just denyed that LSD has that so i do not understand.


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Re: Why are DMT based psychedelics so bizzare compared to phenethylamines and lysergis? [Re: mctaveesh]
    #23397284 - 06/30/16 12:00 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Some consider it both because it has Phenethylamine and Tryptamine structure. But it's moreso tryptamine I believe which is why people consider it Tryptamine. I usually just say LSD is an ergoline and has qualities of both Phen's and Trypt's. It's slightly more recreational feeling than Tryptamines and isn't quite as magial as Tryptamines.




No that's actually not true. If you look at the molecule it actually has nothing in common with phenethylamines, it doesn't have a phenyl ring. This is just something somebody made up somewhere because LSD is more lucid than most tryptamines but that's most likely only because it is an ergoline as well. People tried to pass it off as being "partially a phenethylamine" just because it wasn't as confusing and as dynamic as mushrooms but it's not at all true. Looking at the chemical it is for the most part a tryptamine. I've never gotten anything resembling phenethylamine-type effects either other than euclidean geometry and magnification auras.  Other than that they are not even comparable to me. Acid is other worldly and heavenly but phenethylamines are just not that. Not even close to that imo.


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Bill_Oreily said: LSD is purely recreational for me now.

I have never seen entities on lsd.




Yea I mean I only saw entities like twice and once on my first trip but I think it was 99% due to set and setting because it happened to my friend as well. We were listening to the Beatles song Across the Universe and apparently it has a mantra in it that is supposed to raise the mind to higher consciousness. The music turned into vibrations and the vibrations somehow either formed or opened up my perception to see this hyperdimensional geometric, vibratory Hindu alien god type thing. It only felt slightly "eastern/hindu" though it felt like 95% alien/higher dimensional. It looked sort of like a pray mantis too. Little did I know that song had quite a bit to do with "vibrations" as well and had the Om chant in it which I think symbolizes the universal vibration which allows things to come into existence. Pretty creepy.
I would have never ever expected to see entities on a synthetic chemical like LSD. Maybe it's because I went into it with such low expectations.

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BANANA.MAN said: You said you have never done a lysergamide then in your next post you say you have done LSD. :lolwut:

Also LSD does have phenethylamine in its structure. Google an image of LSD's chemical structure.

And what is a "pure trpyamine"? all tryptamines could exist in varying states of purity. Unless you mean compounds that are only tryptamines and lack the phenethylamine backbone but you just denyed that LSD has that so i do not understand.




I meant a lysergamine besides LSD.
By "pure tryptamine" yes I meant a compound that was just a tryptamine. Not also an ergoline which is what LSD is. Nothing in common with phenethylamines not in the structure or the effects.


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