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    #23393401 - 06/29/16 08:26 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

[gradient:#15E826,#][/gradient] Starting a commercial gourmet operation.Any experts around? No offense novices, but I don't have time to experiment. I need some help dividing my space so I can produce lots of beautiful golden oysters. Total space 10 ft. x 20 ft. I need to divide this space into 4 areas: Climate control equipment, spore production(clean room), dark grow room, and fruiting chamber. My thoughts are 12 x 20 fruiting chamber, climate control and clean room both 5 x 4, and dark room 5 x 8. Is this a good division of space? I already have a space for substrate prep ready to go. I have grown as a hobby for a short time, but I have done lots of research. I am by no means an expert, but I think I have a good grip on the basics. I would prefer to talk to people who are already growing commercially for restaurants and farmers markets. If you are a hobbyist who happens to be an expert great, but please have experience with specifically golden oysters.
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Re: Oysters Commercial [Re: Shroom4Profit]
    #23393641 - 06/29/16 09:54 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

---->expert
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:lol:

Lambert sells golden oyster spawn.  I recommend growing around 65f for best color.  Good luck.


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Re: Oysters Commercial [Re: drake89]
    #23393868 - 06/29/16 11:10 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

So you are saying half my fruiting room? So I could grow some kings as well in the other half?


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Re: Oysters Commercial [Re: Shroom4Profit]
    #23393901 - 06/29/16 11:22 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

>spore production room Yes! Flow hood to inoculate jars with liquid spore. Dark storage for mycel growth. Then jar mycel transfer to substrate for bagging and hanging in dark room. I also want to make some spore prints once I have some harvest and then make my own liquid spore syringes.  hmm... but it's ok laugh if you want.


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Re: Oysters Commercial [Re: Shroom4Profit]
    #23393923 - 06/29/16 11:33 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

I suggest you read some good book first.
Nobody in commercial growing i know of use spore for inoculation.
You just give yourself as a total noob, no offense.
You were given a great advice to buy spawn from professional lab if you wanna be a fruiter.
Just sayin


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Re: Oysters Commercial [Re: HericiumHeadGuy]
    #23394060 - 06/29/16 12:10 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Think he is talking about using Liquid cultures which is fine.
I wouldnt do it from spores though, you should make your LC's from agar :smile:


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Re: Oysters Commercial [Re: Yerow]
    #23394356 - 06/29/16 02:02 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

I don't like agar... I know a lot of people do, but it's not for me... gonna go jars and oats with syringes. Not a noob. I just don't like agar and never have.


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Re: Oysters Commercial [Re: Shroom4Profit]
    #23394374 - 06/29/16 02:07 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

I have something to tell you that would make growing oysters a lot easier for you... but im not an expert so I will stay out of this.


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Re: Oysters Commercial [Re: Yerow]
    #23394393 - 06/29/16 02:11 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Think he is talking about using Liquid cultures which is fine.
I wouldnt do it from spores though, you should make your LC's from agar :smile:




Really you should get a book on cultivating gourmet mushrooms, or do a lot more research before doing anything else.
Like Drake said, you are way better off purchasing spawn, when you go to making your own spawn for your commercial production you want to know EXACTLY what you are doing, and that wont involve spores, or LC, or at least it shouldn't.


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Re: Oysters Commercial [Re: Shroom4Profit]
    #23394402 - 06/29/16 02:14 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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I don't like agar... I know a lot of people do, but it's not for me... gonna go jars and oats with syringes. Not a noob. I just don't like agar and never have.



I'm sorry to hear that, well unless you purchase spawn, or at least learn agar work you are inevitably going to fail as a commercial operation.


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Re: Oysters Commercial [Re: Shroom4Profit]
    #23394409 - 06/29/16 02:15 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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>spore production room Yes! Flow hood to inoculate jars with liquid spore. Dark storage for mycel growth. Then jar mycel transfer to substrate for bagging and hanging in dark room. I also want to make some spore prints once I have some harvest and then make my own liquid spore syringes.  hmm... but it's ok laugh if you want.




okay :rofl2:

Read GGMM and maybe TMC, it will give you a solid foundation and you can reference it for answers to 99% of the questions you might have when setting up a small scale commercial op.

There are certainly some experts here and they provide heaps of information but you have to have enough knowledge in the first place to ask the right questions or it's going to be hard for people to help you. You will also get some poor information along the way and you will struggle to differentiate between what is useful and what will waste your time without a basic understanding of mycology.

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I don't like agar... I know a lot of people do, but it's not for me... gonna go jars and oats with syringes. Not a noob. I just don't like agar and never have.




Oysters do not do well from spore, both hobby growers and commercial growers alike use isolate strains, normally produced by companies dedicated to developing them. If you don't want to start your grainspawn from agar that's fine, there are plenty of growers that buy in their spawn and expand it or even use it for bulk substrate directly, all these methods are viable. What isnt though is using spores, could it work? sure, but it's not a viable method of commercially cultivating oysters.


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Re: Oysters Commercial [Re: Marty Mycfly]
    #23394418 - 06/29/16 02:17 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

You do realize the amount of spawn and jars you would have to deal with to grow into commercial right. I cant Imagine inoculating 50 lb.s of spawn in jars with a needle!


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Re: Oysters Commercial [Re: Marty Mycfly]
    #23394456 - 06/29/16 02:30 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Already read GGMM, have the pdf on my pc. It has good info, but limited. It doeesn't talk about my set of circumstances. And I'm not innoculating bales of hay with a needle. I am inoculating jars with grain substrate with a syringe of LC. Then using the jars to mix with the straw. I already have that part figured out it's the division of space and the duct I need the most help with.


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Re: Oysters Commercial [Re: Shroom4Profit]
    #23394477 - 06/29/16 02:39 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Already read GGMM, have the pdf on my pc. It has good info, but limited. It doeesn't talk about my set of circumstances. And I'm not innoculating bales of hay with a needle. I am inoculating jars with grain substrate with a syringe of LC. Then using the jars to mix with the straw. I already have that part figured out it's the division of space and the duct I need the most help with.




It sounds like a hobby grow then, just have fun and experiment with it. Like someone already stated, when you learn more and know what kind of questions to ask, we are here.


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Re: Oysters Commercial [Re: Shroom4Profit]
    #23394518 - 06/29/16 02:52 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Already read GGMM, have the pdf on my pc. It has good info, but limited. It doeesn't talk about my set of circumstances. And I'm not innoculating bales of hay with a needle. I am inoculating jars with grain substrate with a syringe of LC. Then using the jars to mix with the straw. I already have that part figured out it's the division of space and the duct I need the most help with.




A jar is roughly a pound of spawn, so lets say you want to make 50 jars of spawn, thats a lot of needle work. Go back to the GGMM pdf and read the chapter on first generation grain spawn. If you are going to make your own spawn for commercial production, that is how it is done. I dont know why you came here to ask us questions but refuse any sensible answer, no ones giving you opinions just facts.


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Re: Oysters Commercial [Re: Marty Mycfly]
    #23394669 - 06/29/16 03:48 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Think he is talking about using Liquid cultures which is fine.
I wouldnt do it from spores though, you should make your LC's from agar :smile:




Really you should get a book on cultivating gourmet mushrooms, or do a lot more research before doing anything else.
Like Drake said, you are way better off purchasing spawn, when you go to making your own spawn for your commercial production you want to know EXACTLY what you are doing, and that wont involve spores, or LC, or at least it shouldn't.




Why would you say that? Been growing gourmets the past year or so and i feel like i got a pretty good grip on it.
LC's LI's and such are very common, also for gourmet growers..
I do grain master jars with agar to larger bags with grains, which i would think is the most prefered method. Unless sure you want to buy your spawn :smile: That being said, still, LC's are fine if started from agar imo.

He could easily make a LC or LI, use it for a few master jars and go that route. :shrug:

Also, wont involve spores or LC? If there is no spores/agar work involved how in the hell should he make his own spawn then :confused:


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Re: Oysters Commercial [Re: Yerow]
    #23394851 - 06/29/16 04:40 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Why do so many hate on agar. Spores are no way to grow anything. Spores should always be put on agar before inoculating...

People who say "agar is not for me" as if its some sort of fashion trend really don't understand sterile technique.


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    #23394857 - 06/29/16 04:42 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Yerow said:
Think he is talking about using Liquid cultures which is fine.
I wouldnt do it from spores though, you should make your LC's from agar :smile:




Really you should get a book on cultivating gourmet mushrooms, or do a lot more research before doing anything else.
Like Drake said, you are way better off purchasing spawn, when you go to making your own spawn for your commercial production you want to know EXACTLY what you are doing, and that wont involve spores, or LC, or at least it shouldn't.




Why would you say that? Been growing gourmets the past year or so and i feel like i got a pretty good grip on it.
LC's LI's and such are very common, also for gourmet growers..
I do grain master jars with agar to larger bags with grains, which i would think is the most prefered method. Unless sure you want to buy your spawn :smile: That being said, still, LC's are fine if started from agar imo.

He could easily make a LC or LI, use it for a few master jars and go that route. :shrug:

Also, wont involve spores or LC? If there is no spores/agar work involved how in the hell should he make his own spawn then :confused:




I know LI and LC work fine, but for someone wanting to start a commercial operation I think the safe route is best to start, go from there if you are unhappy. But honestly I think agar to grain jars to bags is a lot easier and less work than making LC's and LI's.
And like you are saying, making LC's or LI's for a few masters and going from there is fine too, but I don't think that's what he was talking about. He seems to be talking about inoculating grain with spores and taking them straight into straw, which is also fine and fun, but a not a commercial endeavor.


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Re: Oysters Commercial [Re: PsilocyBen17]
    #23394902 - 06/29/16 04:58 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Why do so many hate on agar. Spores are no way to grow anything. Spores should always be put on agar before inoculating...

People who say "agar is not for me" as if its some sort of fashion trend really don't understand sterile technique.




I think it's because they don't have a flow hood and it's a pain in the ass in an SAB, but I did for years, and anyone with a passion for mycology, mushrooms and learning would as well. LC and spore syringes I feel started as a trend for pumping out cubes as fast as possible.
Although I am sure the Eberbach blenders and all of that stuff has it's place somewhere, Stamets makes LI in his books, but never really talks about if uses that much.


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Re: Oysters Commercial [Re: Marty Mycfly]
    #23395203 - 06/29/16 06:53 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Shroom4Profit..

Starting a commercial gourmet operation.Any experts around? No offense novices, but I don't have time to experiment.

Did you try Google..?

Sometimes you might get lucky and find some expert with lots of knowledge...
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