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Totem fail? Why not to stack your bags.
    #23392471 - 06/28/16 10:01 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)



As some of you may know I've been using the totem method for stacking my bags. I've been having issues with first flushes not being large or symmetrical. Typically i see around .7 lbs per 5 lb bag first flush which is low. The second flush is typically larger than the 1st flush which at first i was thinking i wasn't incubating for long enough, 3 weeks. This week i tried putting two sitting on a tote upside down and poked holes in the top and three sides. These two yielded 1.1 lbs and 1.3 lbs. My guess is the totems put stress by compacting the substrate which delays and reduces the first flush. Luckily i only converted 3/4 of my chamber to the totem racks so i can play with horizontal shelving on my next batch.



The three rows in the frame are all the same batch. The 36 totem ones harvested 3 bags .7 lbs meanwhile the two on the bottom left i plucked 1.1 and 1.3. Bye Bye totems.

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Re: Totem fail? Why not to stack your bags. [Re: Gr0wer]
    #23392602 - 06/28/16 10:56 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Well I'm interested to see what your going to do next, sucks that dint work out better. I want to do something more space saving with my next batch, I was actually going to take a rack out and try your totem method. Any ideas on space saving for horizontal racks yet?


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Re: Totem fail? Why not to stack your bags. [Re: Marty Mycfly]
    #23392752 - 06/29/16 12:12 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Since i have the conduit ill do a conduit shelving and lay em upside down or on there side like drake is. Time for some trials.

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Re: Totem fail? Why not to stack your bags. [Re: Gr0wer]
    #23393426 - 06/29/16 08:42 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

I for one am always tinkering and trying new things also but not sure your thought about the weight is causing it.  As I understand the bags on the totem only have holes on the sides vs the two trial bags had holes on the top as well.  Did you poke fewer holes on the sides to compensate for the additional holes on the top so as to make the same number total holes vs the totem bags?  I would also be curious if you did some record keeping for the bags at the top of the totem, bottom of the totem, and those not stacked in the totem, comparing first flush, second flush, and total yield.

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Re: Totem fail? Why not to stack your bags. [Re: Shirak]
    #23393432 - 06/29/16 08:45 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Are those Golden oyster I see in the second picture behind the totems.
What substrate are they growing from?

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Re: Totem fail? Why not to stack your bags. [Re: Ferather]
    #23396054 - 06/30/16 12:03 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

I put four holes in the face of the bag in the 4 corners. With the ones on the tote they got 4 holes too 1 top and 3 sides. Im still dialing in the new substrate, which vs straw you can run sawdust bags MUCH higher RH. I couldnt run straw logs above 78% without bacteria, now im running low 90s and the mush smell fresh and clean.

Im growing goldens on 50 lbs soybean 40 lbs fuel pellets 5 lbs gypsum 3 lbs epsoma fert at 60% water content.  They freeking love it.

The quickest solution was a  $70 wire shelf for this weeks batch. Ultimately ill make a conduit shelving system, since its easier to wipe down conduit bars between batches. I'm trying a few different configurations to see how yield is affected. Of course this photo is taken after harvest, nothing to impressive with fruits.


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Re: Totem fail? Why not to stack your bags. [Re: Gr0wer]
    #23400032 - 07/01/16 05:52 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Oh nice, keep us posted. Also any chance of a closup of the golden.
I do horizontal grows, so I don't see vertical grows often.

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I couldnt run straw logs above 78% without bacteria, now im running low 90s and the mush smell fresh and clean.




I've noted data from "Marty Mycfly" stating he has similar issue's with blotch and hydration.
I'm using paper and I also have no issues, even hydroponic style fruitng.

So it seems to be a substrate issue.


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Re: Totem fail? Why not to stack your bags. [Re: Ferather] * 1
    #23400247 - 07/01/16 07:54 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)



With the straw, im willing to bet since its pasteruized, the bacteria in the straw comes out if the moosture is too high. Where my sawdust blocks are sterile so there is no bacteria to xome out unless its external

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Re: Totem fail? Why not to stack your bags. [Re: Gr0wer]
    #23400470 - 07/01/16 09:19 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Those look gorgeous gr0wer! I bet chefs go nuts when they see that box. Speaking of which, did you get those boxes from a local box company or somewhere online?

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Re: Totem fail? Why not to stack your bags. [Re: AnarchoV] * 2
    #23400616 - 07/01/16 10:21 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

The supermarket. I lucked out and they just stocked the shelves. I got like 9 of em. I use them for sales to new chefs. Chefs that get weekly deliveies i rotate 16 quart plastic bins with holes and paper towels on top and bottom. Even with the cardboard i lay paper towels on top to keep humidity in.

That tray got cut into 3 trays like this, abalone, shiitake, gold, pink, greys


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Re: Totem fail? Why not to stack your bags. [Re: Gr0wer]
    #23401224 - 07/01/16 01:54 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Nice score on the boxes. Wish I could find some like that. Do the 16 quart bins hold close to 10 lbs? I have 12 quart ones that hold about 6 lbs if packed fairly full. I just picked up a coolbot from a flower vendor and hog farmer for $150. Hopefully I will have my beer fridge full of beer again before long. She was retiring. Her and her husband also take all my spent substrate.

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Re: Totem fail? Why not to stack your bags. [Re: AnarchoV]
    #23402157 - 07/01/16 07:33 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

I don't like to pack them, i just lay them on top of each other. I get 5 lbs in each box.

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Re: Totem fail? Why not to stack your bags. [Re: Gr0wer]
    #23403210 - 07/02/16 06:32 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Love Golden oyster, thanks for the images. Good theory about the straw pasteurization.

We know cubensis fruits from starch carbs, cubensis can fruit from straw.
Anything cubensis can grow on, mold and bacteria can also.

Cubensis is unacceptable on wood, with little yield.

Wood is nearly void of any starch or sugars.
We want plant fiber and nothing else.


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Re: Totem fail? Why not to stack your bags. [Re: Ferather]
    #23404411 - 07/02/16 03:28 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

we did the totem method here at first, it worked ok. but over time i noticed they would slump and get squished near the bottom like you. we switched to something similar by splitting the wall in half( upper half and lower half) and hanging logs on the wall, with a bar at half wall height and one up top we hang the bags from the bars. so this way we fill the whole wall with bags but they are not supporting themselves by stacking. this works really well for us.

your boxes look great.

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Re: Totem fail? Why not to stack your bags. [Re: soil]
    #23408982 - 07/04/16 12:04 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Awesome stuff grower thanks for sharing!

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Re: Totem fail? Why not to stack your bags. [Re: Myco Dude]
    #23415521 - 07/05/16 11:33 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Nice info Gr0wer, I haven't been keeping up lately, last I checked you were doing logs.  Is the BE down on those too?  I wondered why drake had pics of horizontal logs, I guess now I know why.

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Re: Totem fail? Why not to stack your bags. [Re: invitro]
    #23415935 - 07/06/16 03:35 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

what does the bucket fan bag contraption do? :ooo:


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Re: Totem fail? Why not to stack your bags. [Re: weetsie]
    #23416230 - 07/06/16 07:57 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

The one on the back wall pushes air into a box on the ground that goes out under the garage door. The bucket simply protects the fan intake from crap being dropped into it.

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