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spawn ratio/ biological efficiency
    #23392298 - 06/28/16 09:11 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Been plugging away awhile now..

I've been on this site since (EDIT: 07' lol not 97') but forgot my account info from back then lol..

Anyways, I've been rocking this ksss lately. Cloned a nice fruit and got a mediocre clone going which I'm not happy with lol.. that's beside the point

I was digging through old posts, can't remember why atm.. 

I saw cronicrs old post saying how he was going w a 1:8 ratio w ksss and not seeing any mutants or blobs.. can't remember if he said mutants or blobs but he said one or the other..

Soooo, it dawned on me.. I've heard people saying they were "pushing the spawn ratio" before also in posts. I wasn't sure what this meant

I think it clicked tho, looking for confirmation or enlightenment

With ksss, one needs to go lower with the spawn ratio according to cronicrs input. Correct?

Well, what about the varieties that u can go with a 1:1 ratio?? Are these ur b pluses ect? Ur varietys that are known to produce nice canopies?

If ur variety doesn't preform well with high spawn ratios, that would make its biological efficiency lower right?

I suppose not really, it would all depend on end dry weight..

Just trying to fully comprehend this so I can expand my knowledge

I'm little confused still, not sure if needing to use 1:8 ratio means yeilds r lower or not...


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Re: spawn ratio/ biological efficiency [Re: Raven44]
    #23392358 - 06/28/16 09:32 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

I don't go past 1:3 anymore. But increased or higher spawn:sub ratios will obviously take longer to colonize, risks of stalling, higher contam rates bc it takes longer for the sub to colonize, ect. Aside from that higher sub ratios can give you bigger yields at times bc there's a lot more nutrients and moisture to absorb.


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Re: spawn ratio/ biological efficiency [Re: CosmoKramer]
    #23392373 - 06/28/16 09:36 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

That is only "beneficial" when working with varieties that grow mutants, like the PE varieties and KSSS. I wouldn't do a 1:8 ratio though, if you spawn isn't impeccable, you are going to have trouble.


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Re: spawn ratio/ biological efficiency [Re: Raven44]
    #23392380 - 06/28/16 09:37 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Doing my own tests with 3 tubs.  Although it's MS to petri so genetics will skew the results.


Using the same supplemented coir in all 3


6 pints APE to 99L mono (1:3 I think)

5 pints PE to 66L mono x2

All 3.5" sub.  Likely too many variables. Funny thing is, that APE tub might hit 100% by tmrw night (7d)


All my PESA bags were at least 1:8 spawn and did very well considering. QP from 4 lasagna trays that were a pint each


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Re: spawn ratio/ biological efficiency [Re: Snazz]
    #23392410 - 06/28/16 09:45 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Whew. I'd probably have better luck with the lottery than a 1:8. That's one hell of a dice roll, but some pull it off with ease!
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Re: spawn ratio/ biological efficiency [Re: CosmoKramer]
    #23392443 - 06/28/16 09:52 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Mycobags make it easy.  Clean pint of spawn to 3-4L of pasteurized poo/verm and perlite to fluff. Messed around with Stevia and oil additives


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Re: spawn ratio/ biological efficiency [Re: Snazz]
    #23392472 - 06/28/16 10:01 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: spawn ratio/ biological efficiency [Re: LocN9ne]
    #23392503 - 06/28/16 10:16 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Makes poo prep easy.  No clumping or shit :shocked:


Every wonder why they always add it to potting soil?


My method is usually: Mix aged steer with 5% perlite fold in soaked vermiculite.  1:1 or 2:1  Had better flushes from the latter obviously


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Re: spawn ratio/ biological efficiency [Re: Snazz]
    #23392673 - 06/28/16 11:33 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

I dislike the notion of perlite in any substrate because it contains no nutes and holds not water.

Speaking of water, the main point behind spawning to bulk is to provide a reservoir of water. Spawning at too high of a ratio will result in too little water to support large pinset or bug fruits. 1:1.5 is the highest I would spawn at, tho I do like 1:2 for larger substrates.


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Re: spawn ratio/ biological efficiency [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #23392698 - 06/28/16 11:43 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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I dislike the notion of perlite in any substrate because it contains no nutes and holds not water.

Speaking of water, the main point behind spawning to bulk is to provide a reservoir of water. Spawning at too high of a ratio will result in too little water to support large pinset or bug fruits. 1:1.5 is the highest I would spawn at, tho I do like 1:2 for larger substrates.




Yes exactly why I find minimonos optimal and a go to at 1:1-2, larger monotubs I would never go past 1:3. 1:8 is just asking for problems imo.


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Re: spawn ratio/ biological efficiency [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #23392710 - 06/28/16 11:50 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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I dislike the notion of perlite in any substrate because it contains no nutes and holds not water.

Speaking of water, the main point behind spawning to bulk is to provide a reservoir of water. Spawning at too high of a ratio will result in too little water to support large pinset or bug fruits. 1:1.5 is the highest I would spawn at, tho I do like 1:2 for larger substrates.




Yes exactly why I find minimonos optimal and a go to at 1:1-2, larger monotubs I would never go past 1:3. 1:8 is just asking for problems imo.




I'm assuming minimonos have a sealed top so they lose less moisture or?? I've never liked into minis.. but why would ur larger mono have less water present? Why go lower on spawn ratio with larger monos?


I do get that upping the spawn ratio will increase yeilds.. but does this only work well with some strains?

Or are strains like PE and KSSS just prone to mutants at high spawn ratios? Or are most strains prone to mutate at too high of spawn ratios?

I may be just trying to confuse myself more so lol


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Re: spawn ratio/ biological efficiency [Re: CosmoKramer] * 3
    #23392741 - 06/29/16 12:08 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Yes exactly why I find minimonos optimal and a go to at 1:1-2, larger monotubs I would never go past 1:3. 1:8 is just asking for problems imo.



1:4 is good IMO. It takes like a couple extra days longer to colonize. You can definitely see the difference in density of a canopy between 1:2 and 1:4.

But 2 tubs at 1:4 will have more yield per qt than 1 tub at 1:2. If space is your issue, high spawn ratios ftw. If quantity of spawn is your issue, low spawn ratios are all g too.


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Re: spawn ratio/ biological efficiency [Re: Mad Season]
    #23393440 - 06/29/16 08:47 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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1:4 is good IMO. It takes like a couple extra days longer to colonize. You can definitely see the difference in density of a canopy between 1:2 and 1:4.

But 2 tubs at 1:4 will have more yield per qt than 1 tub at 1:2. If space is your issue, high spawn ratios ftw. If quantity of spawn is your issue, low spawn ratios are all g too.




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Re: spawn ratio/ biological efficiency [Re: Snazz]
    #23393467 - 06/29/16 08:58 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Agreed ^^^^

so it seems I was trying to confuse myself.

With strains like ksss and PE which r prone to mutants.. going with a lower spawn ratio doesn't mean that stain has a lower overall biological efficiency.

Biological efficiency is simply an expression of yeild based on YOUR particular growth parameters, spawn ratio, substrate moisture content and substrate choice ect.. Biological efficiency is NOT based on the strain/genetics like I was thinking. Seems like moisture content is the biggest variable when it comes to b.e.? Moisture content and spawn ratio..?

This had answered my questions I believe, thank you.

Raised another question also. When fruiting reishi and lions mane off of pure coco coir... would a spawn ratio of 1:1 inhibit reishi pinning? And what would a safe spawn ratio for lions mane be when fruiting them in bags with holes punctured for fae like a lil baby straw log but filled with coco.

First attempt I used pure coco, and 1:1 ratio I think. Reishi didn't pin  (may have been inadequate co2 levels) and pins mane went trich.. I'll add vermiculite  next time I think the lions mane moisture content was too high..

They colonized fully sat for few weeks then went south


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Re: spawn ratio/ biological efficiency [Re: Raven44]
    #23394041 - 06/29/16 12:06 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

BE is calculated from dry ingredients, water isn't included.
wet mushrooms output divided by total dry weight added (grain,coir,verm,manure,everything) *100 to get it in percentages.


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Re: spawn ratio/ biological efficiency [Re: Mad Season]
    #23394226 - 06/29/16 01:07 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Yes exactly why I find minimonos optimal and a go to at 1:1-2, larger monotubs I would never go past 1:3. 1:8 is just asking for problems imo.



1:4 is good IMO. It takes like a couple extra days longer to colonize. You can definitely see the difference in density of a canopy between 1:2 and 1:4.

But 2 tubs at 1:4 will have more yield per qt than 1 tub at 1:2. If space is your issue, high spawn ratios ftw. If quantity of spawn is your issue, low spawn ratios are all g too.



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Re: spawn ratio/ biological efficiency [Re: cronicr]
    #23394368 - 06/29/16 02:06 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Yes, I know how to calculate biological efficiency..........

I don't remember asking how to do simple math


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Re: spawn ratio/ biological efficiency [Re: Raven44]
    #23394379 - 06/29/16 02:08 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

just saw this and figured I'd help ya :shrug:

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Biological efficiency is simply an expression of yeild based on YOUR particular growth parameters, spawn ratio, substrate moisture content and substrate choice ect.. Biological efficiency is NOT based on the strain/genetics like I was thinking. Seems like moisture content is the biggest variable when it comes to b.e.? Moisture content and spawn ratio..?




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Re: spawn ratio/ biological efficiency [Re: cronicr]
    #23394439 - 06/29/16 02:24 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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CosmoKramer said:
Yes exactly why I find minimonos optimal and a go to at 1:1-2, larger monotubs I would never go past 1:3. 1:8 is just asking for problems imo.



1:4 is good IMO. It takes like a couple extra days longer to colonize. You can definitely see the difference in density of a canopy between 1:2 and 1:4.

But 2 tubs at 1:4 will have more yield per qt than 1 tub at 1:2. If space is your issue, high spawn ratios ftw. If quantity of spawn is your issue, low spawn ratios are all g too.



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In the end what works best for one, won't work for another. Spawn ratios are like opinions and assholes...everyone has one. There's a lot of those on here.


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Re: spawn ratio/ biological efficiency [Re: CosmoKramer] * 1
    #23394443 - 06/29/16 02:26 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

yep whatever works for your situation, mad season is correct though:wink:


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Re: spawn ratio/ biological efficiency [Re: cronicr] * 1
    #23394520 - 06/29/16 02:52 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Genetics will determine a fair amount. Things like preferred substrate, tolerance for things like CO2, even spawn ratio are going to vary for different genetics. One thing I have learned is that sometimes you might have a clone that will do killer in one scenario and poorly in another.

Examples I have seen was a clone that put out a poor pinset when cased but did better uncased and also preferred a lower spawn ratio. It did horrible with 1:1.5 but did well at 1:2.5. Another example would be my F2 RW clone, which puts out a whopping 175% BE in bulk cased at a 1:2 spawn ratio but absolutely shits the bed in bottles, which usually have the edge in first flush BE.

Moral is test cultures and give em what they want. We can make some generalizations but, they ain't gonna work everytime for everything.


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Re: spawn ratio/ biological efficiency [Re: spacechildo]
    #23394921 - 06/29/16 05:06 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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just saw this and figured I'd help ya :shrug:

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Biological efficiency is simply an expression of yeild based on YOUR particular growth parameters, spawn ratio, substrate moisture content and substrate choice ect.. Biological efficiency is NOT based on the strain/genetics like I was thinking. Seems like moisture content is the biggest variable when it comes to b.e.? Moisture content and spawn ratio..?








Yes, but I'm not referring to calculating be here

I'm referring to increasing it via moisture content ans spawn ratio. Seems u need to have adequate moisture content to support the amount of spawn used possibly. More water will support more pins produced by using more spawn was the thoughts

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Re: spawn ratio/ biological efficiency [Re: Raven44]
    #23394946 - 06/29/16 05:18 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

BE doesnt necessarily rise because you add more grains, grains are what weighs the most in your sub. dry coir or manure doesnt weigh a thing.


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Re: spawn ratio/ biological efficiency [Re: spacechildo]
    #23394960 - 06/29/16 05:23 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

i learned quite a bit from this thread... all this biological efficiency and what not.. holy. back to  :bigblunt:


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Re: spawn ratio/ biological efficiency [Re: Raven44]
    #23395316 - 06/29/16 07:45 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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just saw this and figured I'd help ya :shrug:

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Biological efficiency is simply an expression of yeild based on YOUR particular growth parameters, spawn ratio, substrate moisture content and substrate choice ect.. Biological efficiency is NOT based on the strain/genetics like I was thinking. Seems like moisture content is the biggest variable when it comes to b.e.? Moisture content and spawn ratio..?








Yes, but I'm not referring to calculating be here

I'm referring to increasing it via moisture content ans spawn ratio. Seems u need to have adequate moisture content to support the amount of spawn used possibly. More water will support more pins produced by using more spawn was the thoughts

Im definitely an ass hole lol




Heh. Me too :smile: I'm with pasty on this. genetics, environmental changes, and spawn/sub ratios go hand in hand. It's nearly impossible to replicate nature. Even when we think that we have it all figured out, there's still so many variables that alter performance. It's not rocket science to grow something, so I try not to get wrapped up in it too much. It is one of those things that keeps you scratching your head though.

I can't go back a day and experience every second just like it happened, but in some way I'm changed by it all.  :shrug:


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Re: spawn ratio/ biological efficiency [Re: spacechildo]
    #23395353 - 06/29/16 07:58 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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BE doesnt necessarily rise because you add more grains, grains are what weighs the most in your sub. dry coir or manure doesnt weigh a thing.




Uggghhhhh, I've been told otherwise tho

Ya, not NECESSARILY... but I'm told when done right upping spawn ratio is the best way TO increase B.E. ...

Maybe this is wrong? I don't think so tho
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As long as u have enough water to support the extra spawn ad I speculated above already


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Re: spawn ratio/ biological efficiency [Re: Raven44]
    #23395365 - 06/29/16 08:00 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

people are trying to shed light and give opinions, quit whining about it.


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Re: spawn ratio/ biological efficiency [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #23395385 - 06/29/16 08:06 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Genetics will determine a fair amount. Things like preferred substrate, tolerance for things like CO2, even spawn ratio are going to vary for different genetics. One thing I have learned is that sometimes you might have a clone that will do killer in one scenario and poorly in another.

Examples I have seen was a clone that put out a poor pinset when cased but did better uncased and also preferred a lower spawn ratio. It did horrible with 1:1.5 but did well at 1:2.5. Another example would be my F2 RW clone, which puts out a whopping 175% BE in bulk cased at a 1:2 spawn ratio but absolutely shits the bed in bottles, which usually have the edge in first flush BE.

Moral is test cultures and give em what they want. We can make some generalizations but, they ain't gonna work everytime for everything.




This basicaly answers my questions, ty again

I see now, how my questions can really be answered exactly too many variables especially w fungal cultures that aren't mono cultures lol...

Glad I started this thread

If there would be a more suitable title I'll gladly change it

The more I grow, the more I realize I'm missing lil bits and pieces like this lol. I assumed high spawn ratio was the way to go. Been doing 1:1. Just did some five hole tubs w 2:1 lol gotta Lotta mutants but not too many maybe 1/16 of the flush mutated with my ksss clone.

Def gonna try lower ratios, I do not know u should try low ratios and high ratios with every strain to see which works best.

Also didn't know a particular clone may perform amazing in a tub, yet do horrible in a cased jar...

This ksss clone I have, put off cloud like super dense tall ufo reminiscent fruits first flush. Then put out the pheno I cloned second flush which retains it's veil nicely and is nice and dense. I'll throw up some pics soon when I take some lol I'm lazy and haven't yet should have tho. Lots of aborts the way I fruited them this time also But I'll play around more w em


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Re: spawn ratio/ biological efficiency [Re: cronicr]
    #23395403 - 06/29/16 08:17 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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people are trying to shed light and give opinions, quit whining about it.




LolI'm not seeing the light being shed there is the problem.

I'm not whining about anything, making a point. The point is, I do not see the point spacechildo has to offer. Maybe someone can shed some light. Lol


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Re: spawn ratio/ biological efficiency [Re: Raven44]
    #23395406 - 06/29/16 08:20 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

I get that grains weigh more, whatever. Coir does weigh something so does manure.

I put 1400g dry coco into my tubs.

If we're gonna say coir weighs nothing, then grain weighs nothing magically also


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Re: spawn ratio/ biological efficiency [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #23395415 - 06/29/16 08:25 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Genetics will determine a fair amount. Things like preferred substrate, tolerance for things like CO2, even spawn ratio are going to vary for different genetics. One thing I have learned is that sometimes you might have a clone that will do killer in one scenario and poorly in another.

Examples I have seen was a clone that put out a poor pinset when cased but did better uncased and also preferred a lower spawn ratio. It did horrible with 1:1.5 but did well at 1:2.5. Another example would be my F2 RW clone, which puts out a whopping 175% BE in bulk cased at a 1:2 spawn ratio but absolutely shits the bed in bottles, which usually have the edge in first flush BE.

Moral is test cultures and give em what they want. We can make some generalizations but, they ain't gonna work everytime for everything.


:shrug: i'm not exacty certain what more ya want to know...spawn ratio is very much a personal thing...someone with one culture may need to do something different then someone with another...cubes will generally do best in the 1:2-1:4 for bulk....oysters and other species and what not may not be the case


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Re: spawn ratio/ biological efficiency [Re: cronicr]
    #23395428 - 06/29/16 08:30 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

also the kss i was speaking of was a iso i worked hard on for a long time:thumbup:


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Re: spawn ratio/ biological efficiency [Re: cronicr]
    #23395526 - 06/29/16 09:03 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Genetics will determine a fair amount. Things like preferred substrate, tolerance for things like CO2, even spawn ratio are going to vary for different genetics. One thing I have learned is that sometimes you might have a clone that will do killer in one scenario and poorly in another.

Examples I have seen was a clone that put out a poor pinset when cased but did better uncased and also preferred a lower spawn ratio. It did horrible with 1:1.5 but did well at 1:2.5. Another example would be my F2 RW clone, which puts out a whopping 175% BE in bulk cased at a 1:2 spawn ratio but absolutely shits the bed in bottles, which usually have the edge in first flush BE.

Moral is test cultures and give em what they want. We can make some generalizations but, they ain't gonna work everytime for everything.


:shrug: i'm not exacty certain what more ya want to know...spawn ratio is very much a personal thing...someone with one culture may need to do something different then someone with another...cubes will generally do best in the 1:2-1:4 for bulk....oysters and other species and what not may not be the case




I just replied to this above, maybe u missed it.. stating the same thing u did basically.. I'm not really looking for anything more..

I'm just failing to see where spacechildo is coming from. Maybe I need him to elaborate on why he is saying what he is, I'm missing the point..

So, w that ksss isolate u pushed the spawn ratio so they'd canopy when using a 1:8 ratio??

Or is that a silly statement, trying to understand how one would go about doing so..


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Re: spawn ratio/ biological efficiency [Re: Raven44]
    #23395544 - 06/29/16 09:11 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

no i did better yield wise at 1:4 but i was getting those stubby's again...then i lost a few jars and said fuck it and spawned it at 1:8 or some shit and got my normal fruits back, spawned another set at 1:4 and again got the stubby's..shit happens though, i've since put it away i have way better cultured that was all just experiment.


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Re: spawn ratio/ biological efficiency [Re: Raven44]
    #23395664 - 06/29/16 09:49 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

I dont get what you're not getting :shrug:

There is a point of diminishing returns when it comes to how high spawn ratio you use, like pasty said.
some cultures did BETTER on lower ratios, and therefore since grains weigh so much more pr volume adding more grains both increases dry weight input and lowers fresh mushroom output, which will both lower BE.

So in pasty's scenario he's lowering his BE by adding more spawn. Which was my reply to you saying adding more grains is a good way of uppering BE.

I'm not trying to do anything other than helping you understand the subject, seems like I have upset you in some way by your replies to cron.. maybe its my lack of smileys? :sad:


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Re: spawn ratio/ biological efficiency [Re: cronicr]
    #23395689 - 06/29/16 09:54 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

:magicfingers:

it's all magic!


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Re: spawn ratio/ biological efficiency [Re: CosmoKramer]
    #23395957 - 06/29/16 11:23 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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it's all magic!




Lmfao...

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Re: spawn ratio/ biological efficiency [Re: spacechildo]
    #23395970 - 06/29/16 11:27 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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I dont get what you're not getting :shrug:

There is a point of diminishing returns when it comes to how high spawn ratio you use, like pasty said.
some cultures did BETTER on lower ratios, and therefore since grains weigh so much more pr volume adding more grains both increases dry weight input and lowers fresh mushroom output, which will both lower BE.

So in pasty's scenario he's lowering his BE by adding more spawn. Which was my reply to you saying adding more grains is a good way of uppering BE.

I'm not trying to do anything other than helping you understand the subject, seems like I have upset you in some way by your replies to cron.. maybe its my lack of smileys? :sad:




Ahhhh, i think we are both simply leaving out important details which are needed to fully comprehend the statements being made. I said upping spawn ratio is an effective way to up b.e.

This is true, but only to a certain point. And there are really too many variables as was stated also.. genetics, growth parameters, substrate, sub depth, blah blah

I do understand ur point I think u just weren't being clear enough for me to apply it cause it wasn't clicking at all for me.

I appreciate ur help and input, forgive me for saying ur throwing off the thread lmao.. stupid


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Re: spawn ratio/ biological efficiency [Re: Raven44]
    #23396548 - 06/30/16 06:45 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

man, ALL of this thread is why i need to start logging more of what i do. my ratio's have always been kept standard at 1:3-1:3.5 and i get decent results; but ive never logged anything so as to see the possible differences in my grows based on all the factors you guys are mentioning(everything that goes into biological efficiency).

obviously id have to log EVERYTHING if i want to get the WHOLE equation worked in. from water used, to water weight lost and such too right? ive never even thought about these things till now. i usually just considered the physical components going in for some reason; and loosely at that.

but id like to break it down to more of a science if possible and understand what EXACTLY is creating the difference in the yields of my mushrooms.. yet there are just WAY too many variables for me to be able to calculate that properly(genetics, be, sterility to name a few etc. more than i can handle already); so as usual. ill leave it all to you guys (;

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Re: spawn ratio/ biological efficiency [Re: MycoLoopology]
    #23396998 - 06/30/16 10:19 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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obviously id have to log EVERYTHING if i want to get the WHOLE equation worked in. from water used, to water weight lost and such too right?




no, as I said BE = fresh mushrooms grown / dry weight used.
since great cultures weigh just the same as poor cultures get a good one.
water doesnt apply to the equation so get your water content perfect.
and of course good fruiting conditions is vital.

the easiest way to get better BE is to divide the sub into 2 tubs instead of 1. exactly same dry ingredients used but those 2 tubs combined will get more fresh mushroom weight than the bigger 1 would.

easiest way to get higher yields is to simply add more spawn to the tub.
easy way to get higher BE is use less spawn.

BE doesn't care about the work you put in, space used, time taken etc, all it says is how efficiently are you using your dry ingredients.


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Re: spawn ratio/ biological efficiency [Re: spacechildo]
    #23397013 - 06/30/16 10:26 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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obviously id have to log EVERYTHING if i want to get the WHOLE equation worked in. from water used, to water weight lost and such too right?




no, as I said BE = fresh mushrooms grown / dry weight used.
since great cultures weigh just the same as poor cultures get a good one.
water doesnt apply to the equation so get your water content perfect.
and of course good fruiting conditions is vital.

the easiest way to get better BE is to divide the sub into 2 tubs instead of 1. exactly same dry ingredients used but those 2 tubs combined will get more fresh mushroom weight than the bigger 1 would.

easiest way to get higher yields is to simply add more spawn to the tub.
easy way to get higher BE is use less spawn.

BE doesn't care about the work you put in, space used, time taken etc, all it says is how efficiently are you using your dry ingredients.




yeah i was being mostly sarcastic with my entire post lol. but by the way you just explained it, its exactly what i thought it was....


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Re: spawn ratio/ biological efficiency [Re: MycoLoopology]
    #23397255 - 06/30/16 11:48 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

:thatsinteresting:


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