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Dried mushroom regulations
    #23392124 - 06/28/16 08:13 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

So I was reading through GGMM again and stumbled across the section on dehydrating mushrooms where Stamets suggests setting up a hoop like structure with a blower at one end and wheeling in racks of shrooms to be dried. I was under the impression that any processing had to be done in an inspected commercial kitchen. Is there some other way around this or is it just not heavily enforced? I can't see setting up such a structure being feasible in a commercial kitchen. Or would they only have to be packaged in a commercial kitchen after being dried? Seems like a bunch of BS to me, but the health dept in my area is pretty strict.


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Re: Dried mushroom regulations [Re: AnarchoV]
    #23392154 - 06/28/16 08:23 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

well, i'll bite. (but you wont like it)


Nobody here can help you with the information you've provided. What one regulation regulates in one area, may not be in another. Seeing as how this site is secretive, i doubt you will let us know the state and municipality. Without those, nobody has any fucking clue what you are dealing with.


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Re: Dried mushroom regulations [Re: keyser_soze]
    #23392251 - 06/28/16 08:58 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

My location is my my profile. I sell in Missouri and Nebraska mostly. I am near KC. I am aware of varying regulations state to state and even municipalities, but most follow FDA food code guidelines. I know that almost every single state in the US requires any produce that is processed (cut, dried, canned, etc.) to be done in a commercial kitchen. Some states have exceptions for baked goods, jams, jellies and dried herbs. Also, a few states like Maine have fairly liberal cottage food laws. The location really isn't that necessary for a general regulatory guideline unless a municipality has restrictions to state laws. For instance, the state of Missouri allows jams, jellies and baked goods if a sign is displayed stating that the food was produced from an uninspected kitchen, but several local municipalities won't allow sales from a home kitchen. This was more of just a general question. Smoke a bowl or have a beer man. Sounds like you need to relax a little.


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Re: Dried mushroom regulations [Re: AnarchoV]
    #23392400 - 06/28/16 09:42 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

contact your local department of agriculture.


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Re: Dried mushroom regulations [Re: Gr0wer]
    #23392479 - 06/28/16 10:05 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

I was just at the regional office in my area actually. They were a bit confused and weren't sure how to handle anything. They are used to dealing with corn and soybean farmers. I asked them about financing options and presented them my business plan. They were a bit lost on it and it took a week to hear back. I was told that there is a low interest loan 2.25% for beginning farmers that I would qualify for. They also said that there was a separate loan for equipment and operating capital. They also had specialty crop insurance available but it required a lot of extra capital investments more geared towards large industrial mushroom farms. I was also told to visit the USDA regional office for rural development as there may be grants available. I checked online and saw that the only one that really fit was a value added producer grant. This is what led me to question the dried mushrooms. Being a value added product, there is probably funding available to help. That being said, there are most likely a million hoops to jump through first. The Ag dept is supposed to get back with me regarding the sale of dehydrated  shrooms. Figured someone here already jumped through those hoops.


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Re: Dried mushroom regulations [Re: AnarchoV]
    #23392489 - 06/28/16 10:11 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Look into specialty crop block grants. You need to pitch an idea that will help the entire market not just you. so say research for easy methods or something, also they dont like to fund a person, more of a co op. Maybe get involved with a local farmer?


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Re: Dried mushroom regulations [Re: keyser_soze]
    #23392507 - 06/28/16 10:17 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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keyser_soze said:
well, i'll bite. (but you wont like it)


Nobody here can help you with the information you've provided. What one regulation regulates in one area, may not be in another. Seeing as how this site is secretive, i doubt you will let us know the state and municipality. Without those, nobody has any fucking clue what you are dealing with.




Who the fuck is this guy?


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Re: Dried mushroom regulations [Re: Marty Mycfly]
    #23392749 - 06/29/16 12:11 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

He is right, it varies by state.


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Re: Dried mushroom regulations [Re: Gr0wer]
    #23393163 - 06/29/16 06:20 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

It can vary state to state, but almost all of them have the same regulations on processed produce with very few states having exceptions. Most of the exceptions are for low risk foods- jams, jellies, baked goods etc. I actually found my answer in an older post that was being discussed. RR said there was a permit for a processor that runs about $500 per year. I am checking out the FDA guidelines for processors.


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Re: Dried mushroom regulations [Re: AnarchoV]
    #23393200 - 06/29/16 06:49 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

You probably don't need anything for direct sales but retailers will or should ask for some kind of third party audit or certification.  GAP, Gmp, HAACP,  or usda certified kitchen are some different ones.  The kitchen is probably the cheapest and easiest to get.


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Re: Dried mushroom regulations [Re: drake89]
    #23393385 - 06/29/16 08:16 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Thanks, Drake! I currently have access to a commercial kitchen for $30/day at a senior center. I plan on just doing direct sales for now, but was just thinking down the road. I figured for direct sales I would probably just be dealing with labeling laws.


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Re: Dried mushroom regulations [Re: drake89]
    #23393386 - 06/29/16 08:16 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Your best bet is find someone at the market that has an inspected kitchen. One of the salsa guys at my market has a kitchen he said i can use. As drake said that's more for retail not selling at the market.


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Re: Dried mushroom regulations [Re: Gr0wer]
    #23394083 - 06/29/16 12:14 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Also, a netted/hoop structure with fans or blowers isn't really going to dry your stash very well. You could get by using large solar dehydrators but even those often need some sort of supplemented heat lamps after the sun goes down.


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Re: Dried mushroom regulations [Re: poofterFroth]
    #23394646 - 06/29/16 03:38 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

I just saw it in GGMM. I don't have near that many I would need to dry. I like chefs and solarity's plate warmer idea. I don't foresee dried mushrooms being a big market for me anytime soon.


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Re: Dried mushroom regulations [Re: Marty Mycfly]
    #23398313 - 06/30/16 05:29 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

Marty Mycfly said:
Quote:

keyser_soze said:
well, i'll bite. (but you wont like it)


Nobody here can help you with the information you've provided. What one regulation regulates in one area, may not be in another. Seeing as how this site is secretive, i doubt you will let us know the state and municipality. Without those, nobody has any fucking clue what you are dealing with.




Who the fuck is this guy?





the guy that told him an answer...

an answer that was the truth.

apparently the truth gets y'alls panties in a fucking wad.

i'd be willing to do the research for the OP for a fee. shit's not free man. All your asking for is answers that make you money without shedding some off on the people that helped you. give me money and i'll find your answer. You say you wanted to start a business right? welcome to the business world.


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Edited by keyser_soze (06/30/16 05:31 PM)


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Re: Dried mushroom regulations [Re: keyser_soze]
    #23398545 - 06/30/16 06:41 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

You couldn't be more wrong keyser. Since you are new to this site I will fill you in, it has been nothing but full of people willing to give advice to help start a business if you are willing to do the research and put in the time. That is why I love the shroomery. Tons of helpful people...with the exception of a few. It has helped me grow year after year thanks to all the help from people like Drake. They have taught me so much and I greatly value their contributions. A few have even personally guided me through things like Solarity helping me with me sauna steamer build and telling me about the wh8040 type humidity controllers . I have posted a few of my builds in return, but most of them are based off designs or advice from Chef, Solarity, Woodland, Gr0wer and Drake and would be rehashing the same info. I am hoping to add more once I get more growing space (plan is for October) and am able to quit working two jobs.

Like I said, I am not looking to dry large quantities of shrooms. It was more of just curiosity after reading GGMM.. I got the answer I was looking for from Drake and RR's old post. so...your services will not be needed.


Edited by AnarchoV (06/30/16 07:54 PM)


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Re: Dried mushroom regulations [Re: AnarchoV]
    #23399036 - 06/30/16 08:56 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Drake is right on this btw-
"However, to show compliance with the federal performance standard, the retail processor must, like a federally inspected establishment, show that processing controls are in place to ensure that the standard is being met. Thus, a request for a variance based on a federal performance standard must be supported by a validated HACCP plan with record keeping and documented verification being made available to the regulatory authority."  http://www.fda.gov/downloads/Food/GuidanceRegulation/RetailFoodProtection/FoodCode/UCM374510.pdf


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