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Supalemonhaze
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Re: New to P. Cyanescens [Re: Mad Season]
#23403208 - 07/02/16 06:30 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Pre made PF tek jars are even worse than grains because you can sterilize them in a pot with a good fitting lid. It's just a waste of money, no matter how you spin it.
It's hard to talk with all the niceties when you see, like we do, just how many people spend a ridiculous amount of cash on pre-made jars only to fail miserably before they even start to have fun.
This is not me being an ass or anything but if you have luck with pre-made jars, good for you, but you should keep that to yourself. There are more people who have trouble with kits than people who don't. Saying that only makes more newbs think they can get away with it when really, it's not that simple or straightforward. You are literally an anomaly if you have never had any kind of trouble with pre-mades. Chances are you still do and don't even notice.
Besides, you can buy a PC with the money you would spend from 2 buys of pre-made jars, or even 1 fully included kit. The PC is basically the most expensive item you have to buy in mycology unless you want to keep buying things that you can do without. Sterile work can be done with a $20-30 plastic box, hardly a significant amount of cash.
Maybe I'm just cheap but even if money was no object, I would prefer to use a method which would save me money rather than giving it to strangers. Hell, give it to my nephews if I don't even want it. I also like to excel in what I do, even if I don't do it often. I would very much prefer to do 1 grow a year and get a canopy than do 5 shitty grows a year to get the same amount. Less time wasted, more fun had.
Also, don't think there's some motive behind us recommending sponsors, we gain nothing from getting the sponsors new clients. Shroomery sponsors are vetted by the site to make sure it is legit, trustworthy and gives out proper items. Other vendors are not so gentleman-y
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spacechildo
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Maybe let OP have his thread back? Its a thread about P Cyans, not ordering pre-made brf and verm mix..
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CroixResearch
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I'm picking up a lot of info here. Some mixed signals but that's ok. It seems I made a rookie mistake but at least the kit I got has plenty of items I would need anyway. Heating pads hygrometer air pump if necessary. I just got my new spores, and I'm looking into either shit cakes or another tek for my pans. Thank you all for the replies, I am new and I appreciate the info.btw this will be my first attempt so I'm hoping it doesn't go too poorly
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MycoLoopology
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not to ALSO be part of the derailing of this thread.. but with the purpose of learning new things(and not using the search function)..
how long is it safe to leave a pasteurized substrate before it starts to go bad? i know some people save some for casing layers etc. and this can end up sitting for days. but still gets used with no issues. why is this?
also, agar. how long can agar be kept? will putting it in a refrigerator stall growth(obviously), so it can be kept for longer?
also.. how do you guys make a ton of substrate at once? lol ive only ever done the jar method using my PC. but ive heard of the bucket tek etc for bulk amounts. is this really viable? doesnt feel quite as scientific or on point when i cant constantly check the temp and keep it in range.. but man it sucks to pasteurize jar by jar! bucket by bucket sounds WAY better haha.
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Supalemonhaze
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CroixResearch said: I'm picking up a lot of info here. Some mixed signals but that's ok. It seems I made a rookie mistake but at least the kit I got has plenty of items I would need anyway. Heating pads hygrometer air pump if necessary. I just got my new spores, and I'm looking into either shit cakes or another tek for my pans. Thank you all for the replies, I am new and I appreciate the info.btw this will be my first attempt so I'm hoping it doesn't go too poorly 
Unfortunately, all of those items you mentioned have very little use for us in mycology. The only thing you might need is the incubator if you have really cold winters without central heating. I'm not talking about 60-65F, I'm talking about under 60F, that's the only time I would use an incubator.
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MycoLoopology said: not to ALSO be part of the derailing of this thread.. but with the purpose of learning new things(and not using the search function)..
how long is it safe to leave a pasteurized substrate before it starts to go bad? i know some people save some for casing layers etc. and this can end up sitting for days. but still gets used with no issues. why is this?
also, agar. how long can agar be kept? will putting it in a refrigerator stall growth(obviously), so it can be kept for longer?
also.. how do you guys make a ton of substrate at once? lol ive only ever done the jar method using my PC. but ive heard of the bucket tek etc for bulk amounts. is this really viable? doesnt feel quite as scientific or on point when i cant constantly check the temp and keep it in range.. but man it sucks to pasteurize jar by jar! bucket by bucket sounds WAY better haha.
You should use bulk subs as soon as possible. You can get away with leaving it a few days but you will only be risking your yield in return. Pasteurization leaves a small amount of bacteria which doesn't effect mycelium growth, the longer you leave it, the better the chances that it will effect your mycelium. If you leave it long enough for molds to be able to grow, your project is fucked.
The bucket tek is actually for coir. Coir doesn't require proper pasteurization because it's naturaly resiliant to molds and bacteria. There is an improved bucket tek which could be used to properly pasteurize other substrates but it would need some experimenation to get the moisture content right, as well as to see if temps are indeed kept high and long enough for proper pasteurization.
I use the jar method as well but I've been doing it in my drum barrel lately. My PC only fits 7 jars so that doesn't work at all for the amount I usually need. I can fit ~20-25 jars in a single layer in my drum barrel. I probably can fit a lot more if I stack them but I haven't had the need to try that yet.
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spacechildo
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bulk subs that needs pasteurization arent used as casing layers anyway. some leave coir in the bucket to use as a casing layer, coir is fine for months if not yrs.
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Inocuole
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spacechildo said: Its a thread about P Cyans,
Okay let's talk about wavy caps then.
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GlitchInSpace
Glitch In Space


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Re: New to P. Cyanescens [Re: Inocuole]
#23416788 - 07/06/16 12:10 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Inocuole said:
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spacechildo said: Its a thread about P Cyans,
Okay let's talk about wavy caps then.
that's what i was thinking. p = psilocybe not panaeolus.
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spacechildo
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look at the title  I agree tho, pan cyan and p.cyan, but I didnt bother to look longer than for the title.
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