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Offlinemitemouse
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Why wait?
    #2339189 - 02/16/04 12:06 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Why should we wait for the casing layer to get mycelium covering it? What is the point of letting it colonize the casing layer? Thanks.


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Re: Why wait? [Re: mitemouse]
    #2339240 - 02/16/04 12:18 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

You shouldn't! IMO, this only delays pinning.
It's straight to the chamber for me.



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Re: Why wait? [Re: Ben_Stein]
    #2339243 - 02/16/04 12:19 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Do you have even pinning when you do your method? or is the growth sporadic?


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Re: Why wait? [Re: mitemouse]
    #2339286 - 02/16/04 12:30 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Some are even, some are not. Pinsets are an unpredictable thing, I think.

I haven't exactly mastered this chapter yet, but I'm fairly certain incubating is not the answer.

Understand that even in the fruiting chamber, your casing layer will colonize to an extent before it pins. You still have to patch the early breaks, but are far less likely to see overlay.


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Re: Why wait? [Re: Ben_Stein]
    #2339289 - 02/16/04 12:32 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

alright i think i might use that advice for some of my casings. thanks. What do you case with? And how long does it take for you to see pins?


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Re: Why wait? [Re: mitemouse]
    #2339347 - 02/16/04 12:51 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

once you case expose it to light. if the casing gets to colonized you run the risk it will lock up, that is, when you apply water to it the water will not absorb.

i like casing that have more verm then peat. mycilium seams to like peat more then verm and will lock the peat up easier then the verm. high peat content also, in my experiance, contams easier.

pins for cubs, after casing and exposing to light, show up from 7 - 12 days. more to the ladder.


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Re: Why wait? [Re: mitemouse]
    #2339366 - 02/16/04 12:58 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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mitemouse said:What do you case with? And how long does it take for you to see pins?




I use straight coir, microwave sterilized. almost always see pins in 7 days.

Good luck, brother. Let me know how things go for ya.
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Re: Why wait? [Re: Ben_Stein]
    #2339424 - 02/16/04 01:25 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

i was wondering, do you normally wait for the substrate to reestablish itself before you put the casing layer on...let the substrate sit for a few days, then put on a casing layer, and then let fruit? or do you put the casing layer on right away?


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Re: Why wait? [Re: mitemouse]
    #2339459 - 02/16/04 01:36 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

If you want a really good tray... wait, let me define a good tray. Do you see my avatar picture to the left? That's a good tray. It yielded 11 rock hard dried (fan desiccant dried) grams per cake in the first two flushes.

Okay, now if you want a tray like that, you need to incubate the casing layer until the mycelium starts to poke through the valleys. It should be incubated at about 84-86F in a chamber that has equal temperature throughout. When that happens, you can put the tray in the cooler fruiting chamber.

Why? By incubating the casing layer to the valleys, you are setting up the casing layer to support pins. The mycelium network is being established which will pull water from the casing into the pins and, eventually, the mushrooms.

Everyone here is right; if you just throw the casing into the fruiting chamber, you'll get mushrooms. You won't get as many because the casing won't colonize as well before it switches modes into the fruiting mode (which basically stops much further casing colonization). So if you just throw it in the chamber, maybe you get 5 dried grams per cake. That's good, but what's the point of bothering with a casing if that's all you want? I've had just regular cakes give me 5 dried grams before! If you want big flushes that you can depend on, you need a well established casing layer of at least 1/2 inch BEFORE the fruiting stage. I recommend a 3/4th to 1 inch casing layer for 1.5-2.5 inches of grain. I don't recommend grain layers deeper than that since you start to adversely affect yield.


Edited by Blue Helix (02/16/04 01:38 AM)


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Re: Why wait? [Re: llamaboy]
    #2339460 - 02/16/04 01:37 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

the substrate i used was compost so it was already colonized and then i added the coir and let in stay in the incubator for about 4 days


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Re: Why wait? [Re: mitemouse]
    #2339726 - 02/16/04 02:42 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

well the reason thati ask is because the substrate that i used was millet/corn. it had to be broken apart and spread around to cover the casing tray...my question is, do you normally let the substrate recover before you add the casing layer...and i always incubate the casing layer...but i wanted to know if i should allow the substrate to repair before i cased.


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Re: Why wait? [Re: llamaboy]
    #2339774 - 02/16/04 03:02 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I'd case, then let it recover, so it recovers into the casing... and is able to use the casing well.


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Re: Why wait? [Re: llamaboy]
    #2340535 - 02/16/04 11:58 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

llamaboy, If im using wbs for the substrate, i let it recover for a day in the incubator then i case.


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