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Offlinekakashi68
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This image is total proof that universal healthcare is nesscary. * 2
    #23391626 - 06/28/16 04:58 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

OMG LOOK ITS SOCIALISM OOOOOOOOOOOOO THE EVIL. NO NO NO STOP ITS SOCIALISM OH THE EVILNESS.



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Re: This image is total proof that universal healthcare is nesscary. [Re: kakashi68]
    #23391629 - 06/28/16 05:00 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

:rofl:


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Re: This image is total proof that universal healthcare is nesscary. [Re: kakashi68] * 1
    #23391635 - 06/28/16 05:02 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

That proves nothing

:shrug:

I don't think you're using that word right.

My blue jeans cost more than I wanted to pay,  That's total proof that free jeans are necessary


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Re: This image is total proof that universal healthcare is nesscary. [Re: kakashi68] * 2
    #23391637 - 06/28/16 05:03 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

hey kakashi

:chutup:


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Re: This image is total proof that universal healthcare is nesscary. [Re: Niffla] * 8
    #23391686 - 06/28/16 05:20 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Of course universal health care is the way to go. Everybody that has it love it. Everybody that doesn't have it wants it and then there's good old USA turning their backs on what would be good for them (yet again). But it doesn't matter anymore, the US is broke, they can't afford anything right now.


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Re: This image is total proof that universal healthcare is nesscary. [Re: Patlal] * 3
    #23391691 - 06/28/16 05:21 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

:blah: :whatever:


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Re: This image is total proof that universal healthcare is nesscary. [Re: Patlal]
    #23391695 - 06/28/16 05:22 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Patlal said:
Of course universal health care is the way to go. Everybody that has it love it. Everybody that doesn't have it wants it and then there's good old USA turning their backs on what would be good for them (yet again). But it doesn't matter anymore, the US is broke, they can't afford anything right now.




YES WE CAN!

it just involves raising debt and borrowing from godless commies


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Re: This image is total proof that universal healthcare is nesscary. [Re: kakashi68] * 2
    #23391699 - 06/28/16 05:23 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

I think this country's medical system and insurances mark up there services cost to insane unneeded rates so both company's can truly milk each others services to prices that no average person can afford without insurance



Medical service is ridiculously overpriced in this country
Masssively and it's disgusting




I don't want free things in fact I think welfare in this country is about a out of control section 8 mess that's heavily abused by ghetto teenagers having baby's while being 250pd  whales being a know it all who makes there kids just as fucked up and leeching the system in a way that doesn't help them or the economy



But a revamped medical system based off logic and the greater good for people who help themselves and have a job and dependants if your a father or mother should get free healthcare for high(overpriced) cost things


No way it costs alil  over hundred bucks to speak to a doctor for 5mins,  this country's medical system is in cahoots with the insurance company's to drive up the cost and make a mad bargain



My thoughts on it


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Re: This image is total proof that universal healthcare is nesscary. [Re: Patlal]
    #23391701 - 06/28/16 05:24 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

Patlal said:
But it doesn't matter anymore, the US is broke, they can't afford anything right now.



That's the secret to our power though. We're always broke, and have never been able to afford anything. It's all a sham. We've had all our debt paid off once in our history, and it lasted about a year in the early 1800's.

You can just afford so much more when you say fuck it.


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Re: This image is total proof that universal healthcare is nesscary. [Re: SunnyD]
    #23391712 - 06/28/16 05:28 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

SunnyD said:
I think this country's medical system and insurances mark up there services cost to insane unneeded rates so both company's can truly milk each others services to prices that no average person can afford without insurance



Medical service is ridiculously overpriced in this country
Masssively and it's disgusting




I don't want free things in fact I think welfare in this country is about a out of control section 8 mess that's heavily abused by ghetto teenagers having baby's while being 250pd  whales being a know it all who makes there kids just as fucked up and leeching the system in a way that doesn't help them or the economy



But a revamped medical system based off logic and the greater good for people who help themselves and have a job and dependants if your a father or mother should get free healthcare for high(overpriced) cost things


No way it costs alil  over hundred bucks to speak to a doctor for 5mins,  this country's medical system is in cahoots with the insurance company's to drive up the cost and make a mad bargain



My thoughts on it




well said sunny

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Re: This image is total proof that universal healthcare is nesscary. [Re: Niffla] * 6
    #23391735 - 06/28/16 05:36 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Without the US and a capitalistic health care system, that drug might not ever have been developed.


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Re: This image is total proof that universal healthcare is nesscary. [Re: badchad]
    #23391860 - 06/28/16 06:28 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

yeah but you put the hospital by the school and..

not saying our gov't wouldn't fuck up health care
I'm full certain that they would but it would probably work in their favor, no wait!..


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Re: This image is total proof that universal healthcare is nesscary. [Re: ThatKidWithTheFace]
    #23392075 - 06/28/16 07:55 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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ThatKidWithTheFace said:
That proves nothing

:shrug:

I don't think you're using that word right.

My blue jeans cost more than I wanted to pay,  That's total proof that free jeans are necessary




In my quick google search, one year of treatment runs about $62,000 for multiple sclerosis.


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Re: This image is total proof that universal healthcare is nesscary. [Re: ThatKidWithTheFace]
    #23392080 - 06/28/16 07:58 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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ThatKidWithTheFace said:
That proves nothing

:shrug:

I don't think you're using that word right.

My blue jeans cost more than I wanted to pay,  That's total proof that free jeans are necessary



This is America. Your jeans offend me. I demand you not wear them. In fact, I demand all jeans be banned.


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Re: This image is total proof that universal healthcare is nesscary. [Re: Shroomslip] * 1
    #23392094 - 06/28/16 08:02 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Necessary?

Nope. I don't have multiple sclerosis. Not many people do. People that do have it should probably have insurance.

That's all you proved here.


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Re: This image is total proof that universal healthcare is nesscary. [Re: Patlal] * 1
    #23392192 - 06/28/16 08:36 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Patlal said:
Of course universal health care is the way to go. Everybody that has it love it.






even the men that died from breast cancer because the universal healthcare system
says that men cannot develop breast cancer and were refused treatment, what about
the many people that have died while trying to appeal similar decisions by the
universal healthcare death panel, do you think they loved it?


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Re: This image is total proof that universal healthcare is nesscary. [Re: Shroomslip]
    #23392221 - 06/28/16 08:46 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Shroomslip said:
Quote:

ThatKidWithTheFace said:
That proves nothing

:shrug:

I don't think you're using that word right.

My blue jeans cost more than I wanted to pay,  That's total proof that free jeans are necessary



This is America. Your jeans offend me. I demand you not wear them. In fact, I demand all jeans be banned.




And that you hand over $1000's for each pair that you hand over to be destroyed.


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Re: This image is total proof that universal healthcare is nesscary. [Re: Prisoner#1] * 2
    #23392229 - 06/28/16 08:51 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)



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Re: This image is total proof that universal healthcare is nesscary. [Re: RobZombie68]
    #23392408 - 06/28/16 09:45 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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RobZombie68 said:
Quote:

ThatKidWithTheFace said:
That proves nothing

:shrug:

I don't think you're using that word right.

My blue jeans cost more than I wanted to pay,  That's total proof that free jeans are necessary




In my quick google search, one year of treatment runs about $62,000 for multiple sclerosis.




That seems too cheap for America.

I knew a guy who was in the hospital for a couple weeks without insurance after an accident and his bill was like 250,000+


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Re: This image is total proof that universal healthcare is nesscary. [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23392557 - 06/28/16 10:36 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Come on man
that's just a little population control


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Re: This image is total proof that universal healthcare is nesscary. [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23392578 - 06/28/16 10:45 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Quote:

Patlal said:
Of course universal health care is the way to go. Everybody that has it love it.






even the men that died from breast cancer because the universal healthcare system
says that men cannot develop breast cancer and were refused treatment, what about
the many people that have died while trying to appeal similar decisions by the
universal healthcare death panel, do you think they loved it?




There are no death panels son. There are long wait times though, people die waiting.


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Re: This image is total proof that universal healthcare is nesscary. [Re: my3rdeye] * 1
    #23392683 - 06/28/16 11:36 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Greed is killing the world, capitalism is not pushing it to make better meds etc. GREED is the killer!

We can not stop greedy assholes in charge or change their thinking. We can only hope and try to make changes by voting and hiring less greedy people. On second thought the power of money probably makes people greedy for more, a viscous non stop circle of greed and power.:scat::scat::scat::brushteeth:

I have read that there are a shortage of general practitioners MD's, because everybody going to med school want to "specialize" to maximize their profit from taking care of people, greedy fucks! The general practitioner makes about 250-300 a year whereas specialists make about 500 or more. So a quarter fucking mill a year isn't enough for some docs? FUCK! it angers, disgusts, and saddens me. I am going to be in the field soon and I need to remain calm when I start seeing all the BS.


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Re: This image is total proof that universal healthcare is nesscary. [Re: tyrannicalrex]
    #23392715 - 06/28/16 11:54 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Dump trunks full of burning money:smirk:


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Re: This image is total proof that universal healthcare is nesscary. [Re: Prisoner#1] * 3
    #23392744 - 06/29/16 12:09 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

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Quote:

Patlal said:
Of course universal health care is the way to go. Everybody that has it love it.






even the men that died from breast cancer because the universal healthcare system
says that men cannot develop breast cancer and were refused treatment, what about
the many people that have died while trying to appeal similar decisions by the
universal healthcare death panel, do you think they loved it?




Yea... stop trying to compare your horrible death panels to our system. Its kinda sad that you would straight up just lie about that. You obviously know nothing. And those links you posted... Yea should have read all of em. They speak of how most patients that die in the ER are because of medical error, which happens in all hospitals.

Yes there are waits... on non life threatening surgeries. If you have something thats going to kill you... your going to get you surgery. Because "dying on a waiting list" also includes old people dying from just anything.For everything else, you either wait in line and have it done cheap or you get private insurance and skip the cue.

Yet you get the choice... rather than being pawns to insurance.


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Re: This image is total proof that universal healthcare is nesscary. [Re: kakashi68]
    #23392760 - 06/29/16 12:16 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

am very happy to live in america. 34 and skill kicking strong despite many hurdles :laugh:

appendectomy at 25, was broke. state paid for most of it.
some weird puss cyst in my arm at 28, feel like i almost died from that. was in college. totally covered.
cancer at 30. private insurance through work, paid about $100 out of pocket.
cancer last year/this year, paid about $1500.

things have gotten more expensive with ACA in place, and I dont know why. Its nearly impossible to afford family health coverage, and I have read it is due to some 'glitch' in the ACA. but whatever. we make do, but I do pay about $600 a month for health insurance.


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Re: This image is total proof that universal healthcare is nesscary. [Re: kakashi68] * 2
    #23392799 - 06/29/16 12:44 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Sound's like your still a little butt hurt from the "Why have a gun?" thread. What's the matter did every one repeatedly burning you cause you to be distraught? :laugh2:


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Re: This image is total proof that universal healthcare is nesscary. [Re: ManianFH]
    #23392815 - 06/29/16 12:56 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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mick said:
am very happy to live in america. 34 and skill kicking strong despite many hurdles :laugh:

appendectomy at 25, was broke. state paid for most of it.
some weird puss cyst in my arm at 28, feel like i almost died from that. was in college. totally covered.
cancer at 30. private insurance through work, paid about $100 out of pocket.
cancer last year/this year, paid about $1500.

things have gotten more expensive with ACA in place, and I dont know why. Its nearly impossible to afford family health coverage, and I have read it is due to some 'glitch' in the ACA. but whatever. we make do, but I do pay about $600 a month for health insurance.




Damn, $7200 a year. Still cheaper than farting in a hospital without insurance.

Uninsured right now, trying to change that.


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Re: This image is total proof that universal healthcare is nesscary. [Re: ManianFH]
    #23392972 - 06/29/16 03:15 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

mick said:
am very happy to live in america. 34 and skill kicking strong despite many hurdles :laugh:

appendectomy at 25, was broke. state paid for most of it.
some weird puss cyst in my arm at 28, feel like i almost died from that. was in college. totally covered.
cancer at 30. private insurance through work, paid about $100 out of pocket.
cancer last year/this year, paid about $1500.

things have gotten more expensive with ACA in place, and I dont know why. Its nearly impossible to afford family health coverage, and I have read it is due to some 'glitch' in the ACA. but whatever. we make do, but I do pay about $600 a month for health insurance.




I pay over $1200 a month for insurance for me, my wife and 2 kids. Twice what I paid before ACA. But thank god the dindonuffins can now show up to the ER for every ache and pain, looking for a free bottle of pills at my expense. I love working for free.


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Re: This image is total proof that universal healthcare is nesscary. [Re: Sticky Green]
    #23392984 - 06/29/16 03:24 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

$1200 a month? Holy fuck dude. That's absolutely ridiculous.


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Re: This image is total proof that universal healthcare is nesscary. [Re: larry.fisherman]
    #23392991 - 06/29/16 03:33 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Obamacare fucked healthcare up pretty good. Made it fucking worse, even for the people with private insurance.


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Re: This image is total proof that universal healthcare is nesscary. [Re: Shroomism] * 5
    #23393068 - 06/29/16 05:04 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Whats needed is a total destruction of current patent laws. Its criminal to ask several thousands of dollars per gram for essential medications that cost less than that to produce per kilo.

And its BULLSHIT that development is that expensive. Its expensive yes but the big problem is they want to make billions in pure profit in a ten year time span, leading to ridiculous markups.

In Africa the latest AIDS medicines are copycatted for pennies on the dollar because they NEED the drugs and cant pay the ridiculous markups. I 100% support that.
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Re: This image is total proof that universal healthcare is nesscary. [Re: Shroomism] * 1
    #23393088 - 06/29/16 05:26 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Shroomism said:
Obamacare fucked healthcare up pretty good. Made it fucking worse, even for the people with private insurance.





Well, it is a market based solution. We need something along the lines of what we had here in Tenn. some time ago. It was a sort of Medicaid, only if you were employed, you paid a bit for it on a sliding scale. It worked quite well for many, but they had to end it because it got too expensive for the state because 1) Tennessee has no income tax and it ain't a rich state, 2)Drug prices were out of control and 3) some shit weasel kept suing the state over it for various reasons.


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Re: This image is total proof that universal healthcare is nesscary. [Re: Asante]
    #23393207 - 06/29/16 06:52 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Asante said:
Whats needed is a total destruction of current patent laws. Its criminal to ask several thousands of dollars per gram for essential medications that cost less than that to produce per kilo.

And its BULLSHIT that development is that expensive. Its expensive yes but the big problem is they want to make billions in pure profit in a ten year time span, leading to ridiculous markups.






It's about 1.3 million just to submit a drug for review. A small scale clinical trial with 12-16 subjects can easily run a million (depending on the study design). Multi-site, long-term large scale clinical trials are enormously expensive, and this is just on the human clinical side. Prior to this there's similarly expensive non-clinical and in vitro testing.

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Asante said:In Africa the latest AIDS medicines are copycatted for pennies on the dollar because they NEED the drugs and cant pay the ridiculous markups. I 100% support that.
Saving Lives > stuffing fatcats




Why would anyone in their right mind pay all the above expenses just to be copycatted for pennies on the dollar?

Perhaps a more relevant question is what types of corners would we cut, and what level of increased risk would someone assume for cheaper meds?  The second a mistake is made in drug development, the pitchforks come out. It would happen a lot more often by easing up on regulations.


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    #23393236 - 06/29/16 07:04 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Of course universal health care is the way to go. Everybody that has it love it.






even the men that died from breast cancer because the universal healthcare system
says that men cannot develop breast cancer and were refused treatment, what about
the many people that have died while trying to appeal similar decisions by the
universal healthcare death panel, do you think they loved it?




Absolutely. They loved every minute of it.

Death panels... LOL

No system is perfect man. But there are some that are obviously better than others.

EDIT: I'll be honest here. I had to google death panel to know what it was. No that I know what it is, the only thing I can answer to that is "Do you think this is North Korea?"


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    #23393528 - 06/29/16 09:18 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Why would anyone in their right mind pay all the above expenses just to be copycatted for pennies on the dollar?




The people in Africa who buy the copycatted medicines weren't the ones the drugs were marketed for, the drugs are marketed to rich first world customers and poor third worlders are intended to die without having had the benefit of these medications.

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Re: This image is total proof that universal healthcare is nesscary. [Re: Asante]
    #23393556 - 06/29/16 09:28 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

I pay $17 a month for insurance. Wtf is with someone paying $600 a month?!?


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Re: This image is total proof that universal healthcare is nesscary. [Re: badchad]
    #23393576 - 06/29/16 09:34 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Whats needed is a total destruction of current patent laws. Its criminal to ask several thousands of dollars per gram for essential medications that cost less than that to produce per kilo.

And its BULLSHIT that development is that expensive. Its expensive yes but the big problem is they want to make billions in pure profit in a ten year time span, leading to ridiculous markups.






It's about 1.3 million just to submit a drug for review. A small scale clinical trial with 12-16 subjects can easily run a million (depending on the study design). Multi-site, long-term large scale clinical trials are enormously expensive, and this is just on the human clinical side. Prior to this there's similarly expensive non-clinical and in vitro testing.

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Asante said:In Africa the latest AIDS medicines are copycatted for pennies on the dollar because they NEED the drugs and cant pay the ridiculous markups. I 100% support that.
Saving Lives > stuffing fatcats




Why would anyone in their right mind pay all the above expenses just to be copycatted for pennies on the dollar?

Perhaps a more relevant question is what types of corners would we cut, and what level of increased risk would someone assume for cheaper meds?  The second a mistake is made in drug development, the pitchforks come out. It would happen a lot more often by easing up on regulations.




If they removed or eased the regulations the individual consumer would need and should already be smart enough to research a substance before putting it into their body, if they live in the USA. Where's the responsibility at now day's? Why do people just take drugs/substances simply because it's prescribed to them?

If you go to the doctors because of a persistent cold and they say you need a steroid shot should the consumer not ask for valid information on the substance or research it before taking the shot? Where's the common sense, people just use substances blindly now day's.

Responsibility, responsibility, responsibility.

The modern day consumer is so babied by big brother government that just because something say's "Approved by the FDA" they think it's safe to use!!!! That's called brain-fucking-wash.

If there are newer drugs coming out and there's little to no information on the substance/substances they should be as a adult intelligent enough to understand that these drugs/substances are experimental and there could be negative consequences towards using them.

What's that thing people always say? "Clean out the gene pool" or something like that right?

Every one supports that idea until it actually comes down to "Take some fucking responsibility!" as a individual and a consumer.

by the way badchad I'm not directing all this towards you.. I'm just ranting I suppose and since the subject was in your post.. :grin:


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    #23393626 - 06/29/16 09:48 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Why would anyone in their right mind pay all the above expenses just to be copycatted for pennies on the dollar?




The people in Africa who buy the copycatted medicines weren't the ones the drugs were marketed for, the drugs are marketed to rich first world customers and poor third worlders are intended to die without having had the benefit of these medications.

So no, no mercy on Big Pharma.




I'm not a fan of big pharma my self. They got control of the substances and they fucking know it! They are legal drug producers. backed by a giant fucking turd.

Why can't I as a individual take my medical knowledge, pick up a medically inclined book and diagnose myself if I'm feeling sick or think I have a ailment then take the substances I need for it with out visiting a legal drug deal (doctor)?

The idea here is that we are to stupid to do it our selves and can't decide or be trusted for which drug or substances we need so if we diagnose our selves we have to visit a legal drug dealer (aka Doctor) just to have to be re diagnosed, get the same exact result's and on top of every thing pay hard EARNED money for it.

Tell me why am I denied my rights to take care of my self with out being dependent on a legal drug dealer?

Because people are to scared of what would happen if we legalized substances?

You guy's realize that's why things like marijuana aren't legal every where right? This is a part of the reason. You realize this is why their trying to create criminals out of Kratom users and give people possession charges for Kratom right?

It's because those substances allow people to medicate them selves after they feel they have had a proper diagnoses, by them selves. 

Can you imagine a ENTIRE population saying FUCK pain killers and fuck the legal drug dealers and fuck big pharma when it comes to pain killers and instead they just spend money on Kratom which is dirt cheap compared to kill their pains such as sore backs?

Imagine a entire population self medicating with out any extra charges. What the fuck would happen to the industry? They would lose money, power and control. Not every thing can be self diagnosed so don't get me wrong. I don't hate doctors. But I absolutely hate the controlling of substances and having to go threw middle men who decide if I can get what I need or not and charge me money for it.

Fuck the DEA. Fuck the FDA and fuck the United Nations. And fuck all you people that want to keep drugs illegal, kiss my ass.

Also.. this is not all directed towards you Asante.. sort of a rant..it's just the subject.. get's me going sometimes.


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    #23394805 - 06/29/16 04:27 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Why would anyone in their right mind pay all the above expenses just to be copycatted for pennies on the dollar?




The people in Africa who buy the copycatted medicines weren't the ones the drugs were marketed for, the drugs are marketed to rich first world customers and poor third worlders are intended to die without having had the benefit of these medications.

So no, no mercy on Big Pharma.




I'm not a fan of big pharma my self. They got control of the substances and they fucking know it! They are legal drug producers. backed by a giant fucking turd.

Why can't I as a individual take my medical knowledge, pick up a medically inclined book and diagnose myself if I'm feeling sick or think I have a ailment then take the substances I need for it with out visiting a legal drug deal (doctor)?

The idea here is that we are to stupid to do it our selves and can't decide or be trusted for which drug or substances we need so if we diagnose our selves we have to visit a legal drug dealer (aka Doctor) just to have to be re diagnosed, get the same exact result's and on top of every thing pay hard EARNED money for it.

Tell me why am I denied my rights to take care of my self with out being dependent on a legal drug dealer?

Because people are to scared of what would happen if we legalized substances?

You guy's realize that's why things like marijuana aren't legal every where right? This is a part of the reason. You realize this is why their trying to create criminals out of Kratom users and give people possession charges for Kratom right?

It's because those substances allow people to medicate them selves after they feel they have had a proper diagnoses, by them selves. 

Can you imagine a ENTIRE population saying FUCK pain killers and fuck the legal drug dealers and fuck big pharma when it comes to pain killers and instead they just spend money on Kratom which is dirt cheap compared to kill their pains such as sore backs?

Imagine a entire population self medicating with out any extra charges. What the fuck would happen to the industry? They would lose money, power and control. Not every thing can be self diagnosed so don't get me wrong. I don't hate doctors. But I absolutely hate the controlling of substances and having to go threw middle men who decide if I can get what I need or not and charge me money for it.

Fuck the DEA. Fuck the FDA and fuck the United Nations. And fuck all you people that want to keep drugs illegal, kiss my ass.

Also.. this is not all directed towards you Asante.. sort of a rant..it's just the subject.. get's me going sometimes.




your serious right... like you actually believe what your typing there.

Man your culture is that fucked its scary. Medicine is very complex... Theres a reason why you need a decade of training just to get your foot in the door let alone specialise and be good at it. Medicine should be about helping the person, which is why your meant to go the doctor. But your culture is so fucking warped its just all about the pills rather than actually fixing the problem you just mask it.

Self medicating is bad... yes lets give everyone who wants oxy, unlimited supplies because there all in "severe pain" Your just being a selfish twat. Most of the population cant be trusted with drugs.... as we have it now people are abuse the fuck out of pills.


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    #23394815 - 06/29/16 04:30 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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    #23394854 - 06/29/16 04:41 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Of course universal health care is the way to go. Everybody that has it love it. Everybody that doesn't have it wants it and then there's good old USA turning their backs on what would be good for them (yet again). But it doesn't matter anymore, the US is broke, they can't afford anything right now.




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    #23394886 - 06/29/16 04:52 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

I work over 40 hours a week and get insurance through "the marketplace" for something like $20/month....

I don't understand this system one bit.


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    #23394936 - 06/29/16 05:14 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Come on man
that's just a little population control




Bottleneck healthcare at one end, offer unrestricted abortion at the other.

Burn the candle at both ends.


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Re: This image is total proof that universal healthcare is nesscary. [Re: kakashi68]
    #23395026 - 06/29/16 05:52 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Dr.Wongburger said:
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Why would anyone in their right mind pay all the above expenses just to be copycatted for pennies on the dollar?




The people in Africa who buy the copycatted medicines weren't the ones the drugs were marketed for, the drugs are marketed to rich first world customers and poor third worlders are intended to die without having had the benefit of these medications.

So no, no mercy on Big Pharma.




I'm not a fan of big pharma my self. They got control of the substances and they fucking know it! They are legal drug producers. backed by a giant fucking turd.

Why can't I as a individual take my medical knowledge, pick up a medically inclined book and diagnose myself if I'm feeling sick or think I have a ailment then take the substances I need for it with out visiting a legal drug deal (doctor)?

The idea here is that we are to stupid to do it our selves and can't decide or be trusted for which drug or substances we need so if we diagnose our selves we have to visit a legal drug dealer (aka Doctor) just to have to be re diagnosed, get the same exact result's and on top of every thing pay hard EARNED money for it.

Tell me why am I denied my rights to take care of my self with out being dependent on a legal drug dealer?

Because people are to scared of what would happen if we legalized substances?

You guy's realize that's why things like marijuana aren't legal every where right? This is a part of the reason. You realize this is why their trying to create criminals out of Kratom users and give people possession charges for Kratom right?

It's because those substances allow people to medicate them selves after they feel they have had a proper diagnoses, by them selves. 

Can you imagine a ENTIRE population saying FUCK pain killers and fuck the legal drug dealers and fuck big pharma when it comes to pain killers and instead they just spend money on Kratom which is dirt cheap compared to kill their pains such as sore backs?

Imagine a entire population self medicating with out any extra charges. What the fuck would happen to the industry? They would lose money, power and control. Not every thing can be self diagnosed so don't get me wrong. I don't hate doctors. But I absolutely hate the controlling of substances and having to go threw middle men who decide if I can get what I need or not and charge me money for it.

Fuck the DEA. Fuck the FDA and fuck the United Nations. And fuck all you people that want to keep drugs illegal, kiss my ass.

Also.. this is not all directed towards you Asante.. sort of a rant..it's just the subject.. get's me going sometimes.




your serious right... like you actually believe what your typing there.

Man your culture is that fucked its scary. Medicine is very complex... Theres a reason why you need a decade of training just to get your foot in the door let alone specialise and be good at it. Medicine should be about helping the person, which is why your meant to go the doctor. But your culture is so fucking warped its just all about the pills rather than actually fixing the problem you just mask it.

Self medicating is bad... yes lets give everyone who wants oxy, unlimited supplies because there all in "severe pain" Your just being a selfish twat. Most of the population cant be trusted with drugs.... as we have it now people are abuse the fuck out of pills.




Your are a hypocrite. You support recreational substance use.

You don't believe in the legalization of substances yet you post a marijuana leaf in your signature and your on a magic mushroom forum. Your the cuckoo. Hypocrite.

All you can do is hate on something your not apart of. So since your not apart of it you fear it. You fear what you cannot understand.

You do realize that marijuana is famous for it's medical use right? You do realize that people self medicate with marijuana all around the world, don't you? I also hope you can see the fact that not all ailments are serious enough to have to be forced to see a doctor. Early I posted more serious matters you may want to see a doctor for. Your welcome to quote me otherwise.

If you pull a muscle it's not that complicated, idk why you feel the need to have mommy and daddy hold your hands. You know what people do when they pull a muscle or have back pain's? MANY people self medicate by smoking marijuana or using a substance like Kratom, till the pain subsides.

You obviously need mommy and daddy to hold your hand's if your suggesting you can't think for your self. What country are you apart of?

Also you keep missing the point. In a true free nation it absolutely 100% does not matter if people abuse medication or drugs. They can do what ever in the fuck they want. Responsible people use their substances responsibly. Irresponsible people use their substances irresponsibly regardless of legality. How can you not see that? Do you not have a black market where you live? Don't you get it? I wonder about people like you sometimes. The validity of your online persona.

As responsible adult's and consumers we should not have to suffer because other's want to abuse their body's irresponsibly.

Look every one, this guy curses a entire nation of people :

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kakashi68 said:

ooo spew those lies, spew those horrible disturbingly wrong lies onto your shitty flag.

unregulated drugs is just stupid.....

Guns should be heavily regulated

Americans need to be heavily regulated UNTIL IT LEARNS TO GROW THE FUCK AND STOP BEING A SELFISH CHILD

YOU DONT DESERVE FREEDOM, YOUR FUCKED UP COUNTRY NEED RULES, BOUNDARIES, DISCIPLINE.

Freedom is for nations who are respectful, think others, not having a totally corrupt government. Freedom is for countries who support each other at the basic level by providing universal healthcare so its not your credit card that decides your treatment.

You dont deserve freedom til your country grows up and takes responsibility for its actions.




You guy's should not believe a word he say's, you can't trust some one this shity. He does not wish the best for people he wishes the worst, he wants destruction and fear.

Any one who read's that can see right threw your horse shit. At leat I can respect other nations and THEIR LAWS and THEIR RULES, I don't hate on how they run their nation's if they are free or not free or if they have universal health care or not. I don't hate on how your country is run or if your country is socialist or not. But just because my nation is a Constitutional republic and not socialistic you can't stand it. You can't take any thing or any one that's differnt. I bet you cant stand places like China neither. Let me tell you something, China is fucking awesome.  Because their government is probably not as supportive towards it's people than you would like. You can't stand at a distance and watch in aw and be okay with how those people live. Even tho not a God damn soul is making you live there or ever go visit. Some you like you CAN NOT celebrate diversity. You know what you are?

YOU FUCKING BIGOT!


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    #23395047 - 06/29/16 06:00 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

you are messed in the head... Doesnt fucking matter if your "diverse" if your fucking murdering your citizens like china does and blocking their human rights YOUR DOING IT WRONG.

Never said anything against medical marijuana... and neither did you. You said all drugs, all pharma drugs. Which is a very bad idea. Having a nation full of addicts is bad... it happened to china which is why they outlawed opium early on. Its basically still happening. Yes we should take steps to decriminalize drug use and make more options for treatment of addicts. But just legalising everything would be utterly stupid.


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    #23395119 - 06/29/16 06:28 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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you are messed in the head... Doesnt fucking matter if your "diverse" if your fucking murdering your citizens like china does and blocking their human rights YOUR DOING IT WRONG.

Never said anything against medical marijuana... and neither did you. You said all drugs, all pharma drugs. Which is a very bad idea. Having a nation full of addicts is bad... it happened to china which is why they outlawed opium early on. Its basically still happening. Yes we should take steps to decriminalize drug use and make more options for treatment of addicts. But just legalising everything would be utterly stupid.




Every one on the shroomery can read the posts and spot your inaccuracy.
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    #23395124 - 06/29/16 06:30 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

America is bad


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    #23395127 - 06/29/16 06:31 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Okay.


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    #23395128 - 06/29/16 06:32 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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no but it could be better, like any country imo


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    #23395133 - 06/29/16 06:34 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

America, the great, the terrible


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    #23395144 - 06/29/16 06:36 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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America, the great, the terrible




like I criticize a decent amount of american stuff, but to be fair there's a lot to dislike in Canada (imo pretty much everything between BC and Ontario is entirely forgettable for instance)
it's just this site is largely american so obviously topics focused on murica pop up way more and attract way more discussion, both reasonable and stupid alike


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    #23395150 - 06/29/16 06:37 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

It's a shame tho that people like OP just can't be okay with other nations being the way they are. The majority of people in China for example are strong nationalists and love their government.

Good for them right?

But no OP is no better than those people who CONSISTENTLY try to convert you to their religion.

He's just like the religious people. If your not like them your wrong and your going to hell. Take a good look at my signature OP, it pertains to your kind.

I made that as a joke but people like you would post it with seriousness.

If your not the same, it makes it okay for him to damn you or in this case entire nations.


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    #23395185 - 06/29/16 06:47 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Op goes to a pharmacy called "chemist warehouse"?:confused:


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    #23395213 - 06/29/16 06:58 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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It's a shame tho that people like OP just can't be okay with other nations being the way they are. The majority of people in China for example are strong nationalists and love their government.

Good for them right?

But no OP is no better than those people who CONSISTENTLY try to convert you to their religion.

He's just like the religious people. If your not like them your wrong and your going to hell. Take a good look at my signature OP, it pertains to your kind.

I made that as a joke but people like you would post it with seriousness.

If your not the same, it makes it okay for him to damn you or in this case entire nations.




People in china like their government.... omg you are so uncultured its hilarious. Its because muricans never learn anything about the world is why they have such a warped culture. They focus so much on themselves they get isolated and get all crazy.

Its just a fact murica is an arachic dinosaur child that refused to grow up and join the modern world

You still use imperial measurements, the only country in the world to use Fahrenheit
You still allow criminals and basically everyone to purchase miltiary weapons that no civilian could ever need.
You still make people pay for essential medical treatment
You still allow the church to influence laws and legislation
You still prevent women the choice to abort
You allow pill  ads on tv
Your government is corrupt as fuck
You police are corrupt as fuck


These are things that are wrong... There is a reason why we have the united nations and all these world peace organisations. There is a reason why we are disarming nukes(there is another thing you still cant do) some countries just simply are stupid and sometimes things just need to change.

In australia pharmacies are called chemists. thats no me anyway i dont have MS....

But just think about that... imagine if any adult could just buy heroin, meth, coke, speed, oxy ect. You really think thats a good idea? You really think that wouldnt cause MAJOR problems in workplaces?


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Re: This image is total proof that universal healthcare is nesscary. [Re: kakashi68]
    #23395215 - 06/29/16 07:00 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

I think it's bout that time


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    #23395284 - 06/29/16 07:27 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

America is an "archaic dinosaur child", WTF? You are terrible at metaphor.


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Re: This image is total proof that universal healthcare is nesscary. [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #23395459 - 06/29/16 08:43 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

What's wrong with that metaphor?

Who doesn't own an archaic dinosaur child. It's 2016 get with the times.


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Re: This image is total proof that universal healthcare is nesscary. [Re: Shroomism]
    #23395460 - 06/29/16 08:43 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Shroomism said:
Quote:

RobZombie68 said:
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ThatKidWithTheFace said:
That proves nothing

:shrug:

I don't think you're using that word right.

My blue jeans cost more than I wanted to pay,  That's total proof that free jeans are necessary




In my quick google search, one year of treatment runs about $62,000 for multiple sclerosis.




That seems too cheap for America.

I knew a guy who was in the hospital for a couple weeks without insurance after an accident and his bill was like 250,000+





about 11 years ago my ex wife was in the ICU for 2 weeks with pneumonia and
another week in a regular room, I never received a bill from the hospital, no
calls from collection agencies, nothing on my credit report or hers. for some
reason people like to believe that there is no free healthcare in the US.


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Re: This image is total proof that universal healthcare is nesscary. [Re: Patlal]
    #23395535 - 06/29/16 09:08 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Patlal said:
Quote:

Prisoner#1 said:
Quote:

Patlal said:
Of course universal health care is the way to go. Everybody that has it love it.






even the men that died from breast cancer because the universal healthcare system
says that men cannot develop breast cancer and were refused treatment, what about
the many people that have died while trying to appeal similar decisions by the
universal healthcare death panel, do you think they loved it?




Absolutely. They loved every minute of it.

Death panels... LOL


No system is perfect man. But there are some that are obviously better than others.

EDIT: I'll be honest here. I had to google death panel to know what it was. No that I know what it is, the only thing I can answer to that is "Do you think this is North Korea?"




guess what, every insurance company has a death panel, of course they dont call
it that but essentially it's what it is, the insurance companies set a dollar
value on your life, once you exceed that dollar amount they will not cover
anymore of your expenses, the last 2 insurance companies I had set the amount at
$3 million, if they had to pay out more than $3mil to keep you alive then it's
no longer worth their efforts in writing checks, clearly the dollar amount is
lower in the socialized medical systems and they're more frequent to turn you
dont for coverage on rare and unusual illnesses and cancers

now here's an example of socialized medicine at work, a Thai girl goes to the
hospital in Australia, aussieland has a single payer system, she's not a citizen
so this system doesnt apply to her and she has to pay for the services, because
she has to pay out of pocket she pays an exorbitant fee, 5 times the amount she
would pay if she were being treated in thailand who recently moved away from a
greatly subsidized system in which you present a card, pay $1 (35 baht) and you
receive treatment, now they're on a system similar to the US in which you can
have private insurance pay or you'll be receiving bills for the care


now, people love to bash the US healthcare system but it works, if an illegal
alien goes to the hospital he's treated, if a tourist goes to the hospital
they're treated, if a citizen goes to the hospital, they're treated, it doesnt
matter your ability to pay, you receive treatment, if you cant afford the
treatment the hospital will work with you to get the bills paid and it's nothing
more than filling out forms and making a few phone calls. if that's too much for
someone to handle then it simply goes on their credit. the hospital doesnt seize
your assets but the US government will if you're on medicare/medicaid and you
exceed what you've paid in, they take you shit and sell it to recoup the
difference, that is socialized medicine in the US. that is why many in the US do
not want medical payments handled by the government, others simply dont wat to
pay for your liver transplant because you decided that heavy drinking should be
a way of life


keep in mind that there's a reason people leave canada for life saving treatments

http://news.nationalpost.com/news/canada/if-i-were-still-in-b-c-i-would-be-dead-canadian-man-saved-by-liver-transplant-in-hong-kong


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Re: This image is total proof that universal healthcare is nesscary. [Re: kakashi68]
    #23395855 - 06/29/16 10:48 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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kakashi68 said:

You still use imperial measurements, the only country in the world to use Fahrenheit
You still allow criminals and basically everyone to purchase miltiary weapons that no civilian could ever need.
You still make people pay for essential medical treatment
You still allow the church to influence laws and legislation
You still prevent women the choice to abort
You allow pill  ads on tv
Your government is corrupt as fuck
You police are corrupt as fuck






America still* or The USA still*. Yikes dude what a eye sore.
None of that matters.
First off dude.. You are now beating a dead horse.. any readers of the shroomery can see this.
Secondly this proves farther more that you are a bigot.


Every one on here know's your a flaming bigot now.

Here let me help you out.. maybe you simply do not understand. This is the definition from the merriam webster dictionary, you do know of the that dictionary right? It's pretty damn reputable.

Bigot:

:  a person who is obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices; especially :  one who regards or treats the members of a group (as a racial or ethnic group) with hatred and intolerance

Just say it slowly now "I am a bigot, I am a asshole". But don't worry, your not dead yet you can still change your way's. I'm sure your hanging on to every thing with all the pride you have by a thread.

Is that clear enough for ya? Do you get it now? I don't care about your political views of how you think America should be run because your Australian way's are never going to happen here. I will be thanking God every day that we are protected from poison like your's.

Don't be so naive any one can buy all of those substances right now on the black market and you better know damn well there's people who don't give 2 shit's about the law and already do it and the work place is just fine.

Maybe in Australia business are not free to fire people. Over here if you come into work obviously intoxicated you lose your job. I guess liberals over there don't think its fair to do that right? Don't worry, I'm not shocked.

You consistently talk from your point of view and perspective from how it is in "Australia". ohhh ausieland this.. ausieland that.. how would this work.. how would that work.. pewwho pewwho pout pout it's to dangerous. You wine to much. You have no idea how it would or does work in the USA so shut your dirty little whore mouth child.

Now...about China. You are the one who has not researched it.



https://www.youtube.com/user/serpentza/videos

This man has lived in China for 10 years. These people obviously love their nation. Check out his channel, he has countless videos with much insight on China and how the people feel about their nation.

I don't want to here what your Australian propaganda bullshit has to say or any propaganda from the west about China. Yea bitch, your the one who need's to learn about the world.

Understood, Mr.Bigot? Understand that children have bed times and rules. That's why your people (from the way you speak) are so restrained. Adult's can leave the house whenever they want and do whatever they want in life. Your bound to mommy and daddy. Does it feel good to have your ball's squeezed and locked up?

Maybe ill visit your country one day just to shit all over the place and kill some kangaroos "mate". Stop being so jealous because we are more free than you guy's.

You cant change China. You cant change the USA. You cant change any thing. P.S. Fosters beer sucks.


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Re: This image is total proof that universal healthcare is nesscary. [Re: Dr.Wongburger]
    #23395915 - 06/29/16 11:09 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

china is a festering shithole of smog and squeezed together faces
chinese people are so stupid they turn death into a weeks long process rather then killing the animal they only cut parts of it day by day, because they want to show the world how thick their skulls are
I would not spend one day learning that garbled language it doesn't even work the language has to make up new symbols everyday because none of it makes any sense
china can suck it  amoung the top four worst continents to live


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    #23395962 - 06/29/16 11:23 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Yess... yess...



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Re: This image is total proof that universal healthcare is nesscary. [Re: Konyap]
    #23395972 - 06/29/16 11:27 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Konyap said:
china is a festering shithole of smog and squeezed together faces
chinese people are so stupid they turn death into a weeks long process rather then killing the animal they only cut parts of it day by day, because they want to show the world how thick their skulls are
I would not spend one day learning that garbled language it doesn't even work the language has to make up new symbols everyday because none of it makes any sense
china can suck it  amoung the top four worst continents to live




That's great. I think you meant to direct that message at kakashi68 tho.

I personally don't care who knows what about other nations. However if there is any nation you have not studied, according to kakashi68, you are uncultured.

Don't worry about him tho. He's against things like for example marijuana in many ways. He does not believe in self medicating with it. He is against the use of marijuana medically but insist on only using it recreational wise yet also he want's it illegal or in a grey area. Very strange person he is.


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Re: This image is total proof that universal healthcare is nesscary. [Re: larry.fisherman]
    #23396072 - 06/30/16 12:17 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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XLCaps said:
America is bad




America is fucking awesome.

People from other countries obsess over our political process. Most of us couldn't give you the name of a single canadian or aussie politician. We don't give a rats ass about anything going on in your country, yet you can't stop talking about mine, Why is that? What does canada make, maple syrup? What does australia make, crocodile dundee movies?

Just face it you're like the bitter fat girl who's pissed off that your smarter better looking friend gets all the attention.

Quote:

You still use imperial measurements, the only country in the world to use Fahrenheit


Imperial measurements got us to the moon bitch.

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You still allow criminals and basically everyone to purchase miltiary weapons that no civilian could ever need.


LOL SUCK IT!


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Re: This image is total proof that universal healthcare is nesscary. [Re: kakashi68]
    #23396105 - 06/30/16 12:40 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Great.  Stupid Hans strikes again.


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Re: This image is total proof that universal healthcare is nesscary. [Re: Niffla]
    #23396165 - 06/30/16 01:40 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Hell to all the right wingers

I wouldn't even mind a capitalistic healthcare system if it's rates of service weren't thru the roof  to unneeded rates

Plum ridiculous !
With my insurance I pay 60$ for a 5 min doctor visit
Its Fucking bullshit and unjust  and immoral



I think Americans with legal jobs should have basic health care
Insurance that either actually pays for for 99% of it or free

Cause even with my job insurance  and prescriptions are so insane I hold off on any visits unless it's a must. Its detrimental
And it's a reality for millions of blue collar Americans such as myself who work hard and pay there way


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Re: This image is total proof that universal healthcare is nesscary. [Re: SunnyD]
    #23396200 - 06/30/16 02:25 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

See these arnt my views these are how the world views you.


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Re: This image is total proof that universal healthcare is nesscary. [Re: kakashi68]
    #23396211 - 06/30/16 02:33 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

do what the swiss do
tax the fuck out of people after a certain threshold
make sure they never make more then they can spend
and make sure the money goes back to the community rather then politicians pockets


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Re: This image is total proof that universal healthcare is nesscary. [Re: Konyap] * 1
    #23396215 - 06/30/16 02:37 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

That pic is from an Australian prescription, the taxpayers eat that shit here. But we don't spend as many trillions blowing up ragheads so we've got a bit more liquid cash :lol:


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Re: This image is total proof that universal healthcare is nesscary. [Re: kakashi68]
    #23396526 - 06/30/16 06:35 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

kakashi68 said:
You still use imperial measurements, the only country in the world to use Fahrenheit
You still allow criminals and basically everyone to purchase miltiary weapons that no civilian could ever need.
You still make people pay for essential medical treatment
You still allow the church to influence laws and legislation
You still prevent women the choice to abort
You allow pill  ads on tv
Your government is corrupt as fuck
You police are corrupt as fuck





lol... delusional aussies


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Re: This image is total proof that universal healthcare is nesscary. [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23396686 - 06/30/16 07:46 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Prisoner#1 said:
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Patlal said:
Quote:

Prisoner#1 said:
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Patlal said:
Of course universal health care is the way to go. Everybody that has it love it.






even the men that died from breast cancer because the universal healthcare system
says that men cannot develop breast cancer and were refused treatment, what about
the many people that have died while trying to appeal similar decisions by the
universal healthcare death panel, do you think they loved it?




Absolutely. They loved every minute of it.

Death panels... LOL


No system is perfect man. But there are some that are obviously better than others.

EDIT: I'll be honest here. I had to google death panel to know what it was. No that I know what it is, the only thing I can answer to that is "Do you think this is North Korea?"




guess what, every insurance company has a death panel, of course they dont call
it that but essentially it's what it is, the insurance companies set a dollar
value on your life, once you exceed that dollar amount they will not cover
anymore of your expenses, the last 2 insurance companies I had set the amount at
$3 million, if they had to pay out more than $3mil to keep you alive then it's
no longer worth their efforts in writing checks, clearly the dollar amount is
lower in the socialized medical systems and they're more frequent to turn you
dont for coverage on rare and unusual illnesses and cancers




That's the reason we took insurance companies out of the equation. Thank for giving such a great example as to why the private sector can't touch the heathcare system

Quote:

now here's an example of socialized medicine at work, a Thai girl goes to the
hospital in Australia, aussieland has a single payer system, she's not a citizen
so this system doesnt apply to her and she has to pay for the services, because
she has to pay out of pocket she pays an exorbitant fee, 5 times the amount she
would pay if she were being treated in thailand who recently moved away from a
greatly subsidized system in which you present a card, pay $1 (35 baht) and you
receive treatment, now they're on a system similar to the US in which you can
have private insurance pay or you'll be receiving bills for the care




She's not a citien, she doesn't pay australian taxes therefore she doesn't qualify. You gotta set some restrictions otherwise everybody would abuse it. Maybe thailand can reimburse her.


Quote:

now, people love to bash the US healthcare system but it works, if an illegal
alien goes to the hospital he's treated, if a tourist goes to the hospital
they're treated, if a citizen goes to the hospital, they're treated, it doesnt
matter your ability to pay, you receive treatment, if you cant afford the
treatment the hospital will work with you to get the bills paid and it's nothing
more than filling out forms and making a few phone calls. if that's too much for
someone to handle then it simply goes on their credit. the hospital doesnt seize
your assets but the US government will if you're on medicare/medicaid and you
exceed what you've paid in, they take you shit and sell it to recoup the
difference, that is socialized medicine in the US. that is why many in the US do
not want medical payments handled by the government, others simply dont wat to
pay for your liver transplant because you decided that heavy drinking should be
a way of life

keep in mind that there's a reason people leave canada for life saving treatments

http://news.nationalpost.com/news/canada/if-i-were-still-in-b-c-i-would-be-dead-canadian-man-saved-by-liver-transplant-in-hong-kong




I sure hope they treat you if walk in sick. It would be ucking brutal if they turned you away...

The US system is perfect for the top 5%. You get top notch immediate treatment  with the best medication and follow up possible. That's why foreign rich people love the US system.

For the top 45%, It's so-so. High premiums, high deductibles. It's a monthly income drain. Obamacare apparently made it even worse

For the bottom 50%, it's a horror story. No insurance at all or Obamacare care with low premium and a high deductible they won't be able to afford therefore they to negociate with the doc or take cash from their retirement fund or high interest credit cards, That's on top of the the bills or like you said, the credit penalties. The doc will eventually send their bills to the collection agency which pretty much ruins their chances of ever being able to get a mortgage should they eventually make good salaries. It's a shit show.


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    #23397161 - 06/30/16 11:21 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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lol... delusional aussies




I'm so shocked that the OP actually shut his dirty little whore mouth.


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    #23397163 - 06/30/16 11:21 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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See these arnt my views these are how the world views you.




Bigot.


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    #23397178 - 06/30/16 11:28 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Dr.Wongburger said:
Quote:

Prisoner#1 said:

lol... delusional aussies




I'm so shocked that the OP actually shut his dirty little whore mouth.



Well sure, it's bed time over there. :lol:


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    #23397185 - 06/30/16 11:30 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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PatrickKn said:

I'm so shocked that the OP actually shut his dirty little whore mouth.



Well sure, it's bed time over there. :lol:




I was implying how he responded to another message or posted a response but not to my last post. So he shut his dirty little whore mouth. lol. but yes.. hopefully he's sleeping with his dirty little whore mouth closed.


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    #23402988 - 07/02/16 02:55 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Prisoner#1 said:
Quote:

kakashi68 said:
You still use imperial measurements, the only country in the world to use Fahrenheit
You still allow criminals and basically everyone to purchase miltiary weapons that no civilian could ever need.
You still make people pay for essential medical treatment
You still allow the church to influence laws and legislation
You still prevent women the choice to abort
You allow pill  ads on tv
Your government is corrupt as fuck
You police are corrupt as fuck





lol... delusional aussies



Way to back America up asshole.

You know what, fuck Kakashi,  we've had universal health care in the US for a while.


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    #23402989 - 07/02/16 02:56 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

EDIT: no flaming please.


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    #23402991 - 07/02/16 02:59 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

healthcare is free if you are poor
so the more kids you have the more free it is


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Re: This image is total proof that universal healthcare is nesscary. [Re: SunnyD]
    #23403094 - 07/02/16 04:56 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Lol @ fast food manager being "blue collar".


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    #23403138 - 07/02/16 05:30 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Lol @ fast food manager being "blue collar".




Being a manager in a restaurant typically doesn't get you out of the hand work.
Fastfood is definitely not white collar work.


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    #23403207 - 07/02/16 06:30 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

Patlal said:
Of course universal health care is the way to go. Everybody that has it love it.






even the men that died from breast cancer because the universal healthcare system
says that men cannot develop breast cancer and were refused treatment, what about
the many people that have died while trying to appeal similar decisions by the
universal healthcare death panel, do you think they loved it?




Absolutely. They loved every minute of it.

Death panels... LOL


No system is perfect man. But there are some that are obviously better than others.

EDIT: I'll be honest here. I had to google death panel to know what it was. No that I know what it is, the only thing I can answer to that is "Do you think this is North Korea?"




guess what, every insurance company has a death panel, of course they dont call
it that but essentially it's what it is, the insurance companies set a dollar
value on your life, once you exceed that dollar amount they will not cover
anymore of your expenses, the last 2 insurance companies I had set the amount at
$3 million, if they had to pay out more than $3mil to keep you alive then it's
no longer worth their efforts in writing checks, clearly the dollar amount is
lower in the socialized medical systems and they're more frequent to turn you
dont for coverage on rare and unusual illnesses and cancers




That's the reason we took insurance companies out of the equation. Thank for giving such a great example as to why the private sector can't touch the heathcare system

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now here's an example of socialized medicine at work, a Thai girl goes to the
hospital in Australia, aussieland has a single payer system, she's not a citizen
so this system doesnt apply to her and she has to pay for the services, because
she has to pay out of pocket she pays an exorbitant fee, 5 times the amount she
would pay if she were being treated in thailand who recently moved away from a
greatly subsidized system in which you present a card, pay $1 (35 baht) and you
receive treatment, now they're on a system similar to the US in which you can
have private insurance pay or you'll be receiving bills for the care




She's not a citien, she doesn't pay australian taxes therefore she doesn't qualify. You gotta set some restrictions otherwise everybody would abuse it. Maybe thailand can reimburse her.


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now, people love to bash the US healthcare system but it works, if an illegal
alien goes to the hospital he's treated, if a tourist goes to the hospital
they're treated, if a citizen goes to the hospital, they're treated, it doesnt
matter your ability to pay, you receive treatment, if you cant afford the
treatment the hospital will work with you to get the bills paid and it's nothing
more than filling out forms and making a few phone calls. if that's too much for
someone to handle then it simply goes on their credit. the hospital doesnt seize
your assets but the US government will if you're on medicare/medicaid and you
exceed what you've paid in, they take you shit and sell it to recoup the
difference, that is socialized medicine in the US. that is why many in the US do
not want medical payments handled by the government, others simply dont wat to
pay for your liver transplant because you decided that heavy drinking should be
a way of life

keep in mind that there's a reason people leave canada for life saving treatments

http://news.nationalpost.com/news/canada/if-i-were-still-in-b-c-i-would-be-dead-canadian-man-saved-by-liver-transplant-in-hong-kong




I sure hope they treat you if walk in sick. It would be ucking brutal if they turned you away...

The US system is perfect for the top 5%. You get top notch immediate treatment  with the best medication and follow up possible. That's why foreign rich people love the US system.

For the top 45%, It's so-so. High premiums, high deductibles. It's a monthly income drain. Obamacare apparently made it even worse

For the bottom 50%, it's a horror story. No insurance at all or Obamacare care with low premium and a high deductible they won't be able to afford therefore they to negociate with the doc or take cash from their retirement fund or high interest credit cards, That's on top of the the bills or like you said, the credit penalties. The doc will eventually send their bills to the collection agency which pretty much ruins their chances of ever being able to get a mortgage should they eventually make good salaries. It's a shit show.




Pretty sure Canada still actually has private health insurance, those who can afford it, buy it because their healthcare sucks that bad...


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Re: This image is total proof that universal healthcare is nesscary. [Re: Patlal]
    #23403739 - 07/02/16 10:57 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Patlal said:
Quote:

Prisoner#1 said:
guess what, every insurance company has a death panel, of course they dont call
it that but essentially it's what it is, the insurance companies set a dollar
value on your life, once you exceed that dollar amount they will not cover
anymore of your expenses, the last 2 insurance companies I had set the amount at
$3 million, if they had to pay out more than $3mil to keep you alive then it's
no longer worth their efforts in writing checks, clearly the dollar amount is
lower in the socialized medical systems and they're more frequent to turn you
dont for coverage on rare and unusual illnesses and cancers




That's the reason we took insurance companies out of the equation. Thank for giving such a great example as to why the private sector can't touch the heathcare system





lol... do you think that there isnt a dollar figure stamped on your head by your
government? if you believe there isnt then you've really deluded yourself

Quote:

Quote:

now here's an example of socialized medicine at work, a Thai girl goes to the
hospital in Australia, aussieland has a single payer system, she's not a citizen
so this system doesnt apply to her and she has to pay for the services, because
she has to pay out of pocket she pays an exorbitant fee, 5 times the amount she
would pay if she were being treated in thailand who recently moved away from a
greatly subsidized system in which you present a card, pay $1 (35 baht) and you
receive treatment, now they're on a system similar to the US in which you can
have private insurance pay or you'll be receiving bills for the care




She's not a citien, she doesn't pay australian taxes therefore she doesn't qualify. You gotta set some restrictions otherwise everybody would abuse it. Maybe thailand can reimburse her.





so these socialized systems dont work for non citizens while the capitalist
systems do work for non citizens seeing as how the illegals arent paying the
medical bills yet they're the reason many hospitals are going under

Quote:

Quote:

now, people love to bash the US healthcare system but it works, if an illegal
alien goes to the hospital he's treated, if a tourist goes to the hospital
they're treated, if a citizen goes to the hospital, they're treated, it doesnt
matter your ability to pay, you receive treatment, if you cant afford the
treatment the hospital will work with you to get the bills paid and it's nothing
more than filling out forms and making a few phone calls. if that's too much for
someone to handle then it simply goes on their credit. the hospital doesnt seize
your assets but the US government will if you're on medicare/medicaid and you
exceed what you've paid in, they take you shit and sell it to recoup the
difference, that is socialized medicine in the US. that is why many in the US do
not want medical payments handled by the government, others simply dont wat to
pay for your liver transplant because you decided that heavy drinking should be
a way of life

keep in mind that there's a reason people leave canada for life saving treatments

http://news.nationalpost.com/news/canada/if-i-were-still-in-b-c-i-would-be-dead-canadian-man-saved-by-liver-transplant-in-hong-kong




I sure hope they treat you if walk in sick. It would be ucking brutal if they turned you away...

The US system is perfect for the top 5%. You get top notch immediate treatment  with the best medication and follow up possible. That's why foreign rich people love the US system.





the reason they love the healthcare system here is because they arent put on a
waiting list for 6-12 months to see a specialist and regardless of where you sit
on the social ladder you get treatment here

Quote:

For the top 45%, It's so-so. High premiums, high deductibles. It's a monthly income drain. Obamacare apparently made it even worse

For the bottom 50%, it's a horror story. No insurance at all or Obamacare care with low premium and a high deductible they won't be able to afford therefore they to negociate with the doc or take cash from their retirement fund or high interest credit cards, That's on top of the the bills or like you said, the credit penalties. The doc will eventually send their bills to the collection agency which pretty much ruins their chances of ever being able to get a mortgage should they eventually make good salaries. It's a shit show.




lol... I live here sparky, while I was still married  my ex wife racked up a bill for 2 weeks in ICU with pneumonia, a little paperwork and I never saw a bill for any of it/ why do you think liberals such as yourself never hear about the charity care in the US


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    #23403957 - 07/02/16 12:10 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Pretty sure Canada still actually has private health insurance, those who can afford it, buy it because their healthcare sucks that bad...





If Canada's healthcare "sucks that bad" then why do most people seem to be happy with it? Campaigning on ditching public healthcare here would be political suicide.

Private health insurance in Canada is something you would typically get through an employer and covers things like prescription drugs, dental care and private rooms during hospital stays. It doesn't get you some extra special tier of better doctor care. Paying out of pocket for private insurance is a waste of money unless you're traveling out of the country.


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    #23404441 - 07/02/16 03:39 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

I like to tell people that is wonderful for their nation. I'm happy for them. But in the USA it is not meant to be.. private is the way it should be. Being forced into health care here in the US is treading on people.


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    #23404456 - 07/02/16 03:46 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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I like to tell people that is wonderful for their nation. I'm happy for them. But in the USA it is not meant to be.. private is the way it should be. Being forced into health care here in the US is treading on people.




I'm all for a universal healthcare system but since it's supposed to be universal
it should be mandatory for all citizens of the US which includes the wealthiest
and most influential, they should be forced to sit in the same waiting rooms with
the rest of us and should any politician decide they want to opt out then they
should immediately be opted out of their office

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    #23404475 - 07/02/16 03:58 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

That is true. I do not like obama care at all.


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    #23404530 - 07/02/16 04:30 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Prisoner#1 said:
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Dr.Wongburger said:
I like to tell people that is wonderful for their nation. I'm happy for them. But in the USA it is not meant to be.. private is the way it should be. Being forced into health care here in the US is treading on people.




I'm all for a universal healthcare system but since it's supposed to be universal
it should be mandatory for all citizens of the US which includes the wealthiest
and most influential, they should be forced to sit in the same waiting rooms with
the rest of us and should any politician decide they want to opt out then they
should immediately be opted out of their office

Obamacare is a failure because obama isnt on it




Now now. Let's not go from one extreme to another. We were full universal a few decades ago and the waiting time was hell. Since then we opened up a few private clinics for those who want to pay for care on top of paying taxes for the universal system and it's been a success. The rich can pay for what they want, which takes them out of the line so service for others come faster. Everybody wins.

Universal health care is definitely the way to go. But keep a private side system in operation too. It's called a two-tier system. France has mastered it and they have the best system in the world.

Options are always better but the universal system will take care of the vast majority of cases.


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    #23404542 - 07/02/16 04:34 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

I'm at the point in life where I don't really care, as long as I'm not forced to have health care and as long as it does not come out of my paycheck I'm a happy man. Right now the steal from our paychecks with the income tax in the US.


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    #23404569 - 07/02/16 04:46 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Patlal said:
Now now. Let's not go from one extreme to another. We were full universal a few decades ago and the waiting time was hell. Since then we opened up a few private clinics for those who want to pay for care on top of paying taxes for the universal system and it's been a success. The rich can pay for what they want, which takes them out of the line so service for others come faster. Everybody wins.




so you're saying that Canada's flawless healthcare system is moving away from
universal healthcare but only for the ultra wealthy because fuck the "poor
people", right...

Quote:

Universal health care is definitely the way to go. But keep a private side system in operation too. It's called a two-tier system. France has mastered it and they have the best system in the world.

Options are always better but the universal system will take care of the vast majority of cases.





by mastered you really mean bankrupted right?

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2013-01-03/frances-health-care-system-is-going-broke
http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB124958049241511735


and um.... canada?
http://www.forbes.com/sites/theapothecary/2014/06/13/if-universal-health-care-is-the-goal-dont-copy-canada/#3fda740b290d


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Re: This image is total proof that universal healthcare is nesscary. [Re: psi]
    #23404607 - 07/02/16 05:00 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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psi said:
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hostileuniverse said:
Pretty sure Canada still actually has private health insurance, those who can afford it, buy it because their healthcare sucks that bad...





If Canada's healthcare "sucks that bad" then why do most people seem to be happy with it? Campaigning on ditching public healthcare here would be political suicide.

Private health insurance in Canada is something you would typically get through an employer and covers things like prescription drugs, dental care and private rooms during hospital stays. It doesn't get you some extra special tier of better doctor care. Paying out of pocket for private insurance is a waste of money unless you're traveling out of the country.




Would be interesting to see an approval poll on it though

My only point was that for the touted "best healthcare in the world" why do they even have private insurance, if govt run was so great, one would think there would be no market for private insurers

I've lived my whole on the border with Canadians, first hand accounts don't make good policy debate, but the Canadian run system is far from the utopia so many talk it up as being


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    #23404775 - 07/02/16 05:52 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Patlal said:
Now now. Let's not go from one extreme to another. We were full universal a few decades ago and the waiting time was hell. Since then we opened up a few private clinics for those who want to pay for care on top of paying taxes for the universal system and it's been a success. The rich can pay for what they want, which takes them out of the line so service for others come faster. Everybody wins.




so you're saying that Canada's flawless healthcare system is moving away from
universal healthcare but only for the ultra wealthy because fuck the "poor
people", right...




Yes for the rich and the poor get it free without question or penalty. There's no "fuck the poor" in this equation.


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    #23404779 - 07/02/16 05:54 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

As for France. The health care system is #1 in the world. The way they manage their economy is another thing entirely.


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    #23404974 - 07/02/16 07:06 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Not arguing either way, but the links Pris posted are specifically about faults of their healthcare system, not their economy.


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    #23405222 - 07/02/16 08:42 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Patlal said:
Quote:

Prisoner#1 said:
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Patlal said:
Now now. Let's not go from one extreme to another. We were full universal a few decades ago and the waiting time was hell. Since then we opened up a few private clinics for those who want to pay for care on top of paying taxes for the universal system and it's been a success. The rich can pay for what they want, which takes them out of the line so service for others come faster. Everybody wins.




so you're saying that Canada's flawless healthcare system is moving away from
universal healthcare but only for the ultra wealthy because fuck the "poor
people", right...




Yes for the rich and the poor get it free without question or penalty. There's no "fuck the poor" in this equation.




all places with universal health care have private systems. The public system is often better but you normally need to wait unless its urgent. However for small routine operations private is great because you can skip the cues.

However EVERYONE no matter how poor you are can access health care and these people dont have to be in debt for life like in murica where you need to pay $300 for iv fluids.


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    #23405229 - 07/02/16 08:46 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

So I guess all the smart people in the USA are dumb cunts huh..


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kakashi68 said:
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Patlal said:
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Prisoner#1 said:
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Patlal said:
Now now. Let's not go from one extreme to another. We were full universal a few decades ago and the waiting time was hell. Since then we opened up a few private clinics for those who want to pay for care on top of paying taxes for the universal system and it's been a success. The rich can pay for what they want, which takes them out of the line so service for others come faster. Everybody wins.




so you're saying that Canada's flawless healthcare system is moving away from
universal healthcare but only for the ultra wealthy because fuck the "poor
people", right...




Yes for the rich and the poor get it free without question or penalty. There's no "fuck the poor" in this equation.




all places with universal health care have private systems. The public system is often better but you normally need to wait unless its urgent. However for small routine operations private is great because you can skip the cues.

However EVERYONE no matter how poor you are can access health care and these people dont have to be in debt for life like in murica where you need to pay $300 for iv fluids.




Even the poorest in America can access healthcare, and in a timely fashion...

So... The main difference is wait time? And have to pay if you can afford it? I think I'll stick with good ole American style

I'd rather pay for something and get treated in a timely fashion than get it for "free" and have to wait for "non urgent" care


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Re: This image is total proof that universal healthcare is nesscary. [Re: Patlal]
    #23405255 - 07/02/16 08:52 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Patlal said:
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Patlal said:
Now now. Let's not go from one extreme to another. We were full universal a few decades ago and the waiting time was hell. Since then we opened up a few private clinics for those who want to pay for care on top of paying taxes for the universal system and it's been a success. The rich can pay for what they want, which takes them out of the line so service for others come faster. Everybody wins.




so you're saying that Canada's flawless healthcare system is moving away from
universal healthcare but only for the ultra wealthy because fuck the "poor
people", right...




Yes for the rich and the poor get it free without question or penalty. There's no "fuck the poor" in this equation.






so you're saying that canada will ship the poor out of the country for
immediate, lifesaving treatments and will pay for everything?


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    #23405260 - 07/02/16 08:53 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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As for France. The health care system is #1 in the world.





according to whom and based on what criteria?


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Patlal said:
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so you're saying that Canada's flawless healthcare system is moving away from
universal healthcare but only for the ultra wealthy because fuck the "poor
people", right...




Yes for the rich and the poor get it free without question or penalty. There's no "fuck the poor" in this equation.




all places with universal health care have private systems. The public system is often better but you normally need to wait unless its urgent. However for small routine operations private is great because you can skip the cues.

However EVERYONE no matter how poor you are can access health care and these people dont have to be in debt for life like in murica where you need to pay $300 for iv fluids.




Even the poorest in America can access healthcare, and in a timely fashion...

So... The main difference is wait time? And have to pay if you can afford it? I think I'll stick with good ole American style

I'd rather pay for something and get treated in a timely fashion than get it for "free" and have to wait for "non urgent" care





Really your saying your ER has no waiting time? and that poor people can just magically get free health care?


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    #23405350 - 07/02/16 09:25 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

There's nothing magical about it, go into an ER with a problem and they'll treat you.

When I was rushed into an emergency room half dead, there was no wait time.


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There's nothing magical about it, go into an ER with a problem and they'll treat you.

When I was rushed into an emergency room half dead, there was no wait time.





well yea of course... But im saying if you go into an ER with minor problem your going to have a waiting time.

And what you also have no wait time on surgeries?


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    #23405370 - 07/02/16 09:31 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Can only speak from my own experience, but when I went to get my broken nose x-rayed, the wait time was about half an hour. Which isn't an issue.

Never been to surgery, not sure how all of that works.


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    #23405373 - 07/02/16 09:32 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Really your saying your ER has no waiting time? and that poor people can just magically get free health care?




I'm pretty sure I've said this several times in this thread myself

wife+pneumonia=ICU/2weeks that bill must have been fucking huge but I never saw it

waiting time is under an hour in the local ICU, it was immediate that day


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Now now. Let's not go from one extreme to another. We were full universal a few decades ago and the waiting time was hell. Since then we opened up a few private clinics for those who want to pay for care on top of paying taxes for the universal system and it's been a success. The rich can pay for what they want, which takes them out of the line so service for others come faster. Everybody wins.




so you're saying that Canada's flawless healthcare system is moving away from
universal healthcare but only for the ultra wealthy because fuck the "poor
people", right...




Yes for the rich and the poor get it free without question or penalty. There's no "fuck the poor" in this equation.






so you're saying that canada will ship the poor out of the country for
immediate, lifesaving treatments and will pay for everything?




Hahaha! Yeah right, and they have even less access to the latest drugs,
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There's nothing magical about it, go into an ER with a problem and they'll treat you.

When I was rushed into an emergency room half dead, there was no wait time.



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Can only speak from my own experience, but when I went to get my broken nose x-rayed, the wait time was about half an hour. Which isn't an issue.

Never been to surgery, not sure how all of that works.



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Really your saying your ER has no waiting time? and that poor people can just magically get free health care?




I'm pretty sure I've said this several times in this thread myself

wife+pneumonia=ICU/2weeks that bill must have been fucking huge but I never saw it

waiting time is under an hour in the local ICU, it was immediate that day





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    #23405439 - 07/02/16 09:55 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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ell yea of course... But im saying if you go into an ER with minor problem your going to have a waiting time.





That's the entire point of triage. You have a waiting time because your injury is not serious. I'm not keeping up with this thread or going all the way back through it but are you saying our system is fucked up because the guy with the broken finger is not going before the guy who is bleeding all over the place just because broken finger guy walked in 10 minutes earlier?

Going to the ER is not a first come first serve basis. The people who need help more, get it first. That is exactly as it should be.

If you end up waiting for 4 hours to be seen because it's been a hectic day and high priorities keep streaming in, and complain about the wait time, that makes you a pretty shitty and selfish person honestly.


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Re: This image is total proof that universal healthcare is nesscary. [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #23405496 - 07/02/16 10:22 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Pretty sure Canada still actually has private health insurance, those who can afford it, buy it because their healthcare sucks that bad...





If Canada's healthcare "sucks that bad" then why do most people seem to be happy with it? Campaigning on ditching public healthcare here would be political suicide.

Private health insurance in Canada is something you would typically get through an employer and covers things like prescription drugs, dental care and private rooms during hospital stays. It doesn't get you some extra special tier of better doctor care. Paying out of pocket for private insurance is a waste of money unless you're traveling out of the country.




Would be interesting to see an approval poll on it though

My only point was that for the touted "best healthcare in the world" why do they even have private insurance, if govt run was so great, one would think there would be no market for private insurers



Probably some government somewhere has universal coverage for prescriptions and dental, but that doesn't exist in Canada so it's a desirable employment perk. Same for shit like chiropractors and massage therapy and counseling and whatever, your employer may think it's worthwhile to buy you coverage but it's beyond the scope of what the government here does.


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I've lived my whole on the border with Canadians, first hand accounts don't make good policy debate, but the Canadian run system is far from the utopia so many talk it up as being



Well yeah a utopia is just a fantasy, no system is perfect. A lot of criticisms of the Canadian system are exaggerated by people with political axes to grind though. For example some people make it sound like Canadians flood over the US border in droves to get medical care. On closer inspection the numbers are very low relative to the total population, and things get framed in a way that makes it sound like Canadians who happened to need medical care while visiting the US made the trip for the purpose of getting medical care. One problem that is pretty common is finding a GP who's accepting patients. For a lot of people that role is filled by walk-in clinics, where you can probably see a doctor in a somewhat timely fashion but they won't be "your" doctor.


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    #23405542 - 07/02/16 10:41 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Sounds familiar, people here on Medicaid, Medicare, and tricare, those are our govt provided healthcare plans for poor and people who serve in the military, are the ones who have trouble finding a GP. Sounds to me like, becuase govt always pays way less than insurance companies do, GP's can only accept so many before they start losing money on them.

I just wouldn't want that for all of America,'sounds like a frigging nightmare


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    #23405572 - 07/02/16 10:51 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Good thing you don't live here then I guess. :shrug:


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Re: This image is total proof that universal healthcare is nesscary. [Re: kakashi68]
    #23405597 - 07/02/16 11:01 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

I found this interesting

Killing ObamaCare: Explaining King vs Burwell


Burwell should of won this. There was 10 million people before with out healthcare they would of been just fine with out it again...

Does any one want a video of what a liberal is next.. I found it pretty interesting...


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    #23406202 - 07/03/16 07:15 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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As for France. The health care system is #1 in the world.





according to whom and based on what criteria?




Do your research.


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    #23406683 - 07/03/16 10:57 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

In a society where you expect welfare-ism and socialism the people expect the Government to take care of them but what the people should do is what ever they want to do and assume responsibility for them selves. Obviously my advice would be they should have a medical policy but not be forced.

Freedom is about taking your own risks. This whole idea that you have to prepare and take care of everybody is crazy.

Should we just let some one die if they are un insured? Our neighbors, our friends, our churches would do it- take care of them, this is how it was done in 1960's. Either way it's your own risks. We have given up on the whole concept that we might take care of ourselves and assume responsibility for our selves.

This is why the cost is so high. We dump it on the government it becomes a bureaucracy, it becomes special interests. We have lack of competition. There is no competition in medicine today, everybody is protected by licensing, we should actually legalize alternative health care- allow people to practice what they want.


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Re: This image is total proof that universal healthcare is nesscary. [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #23406785 - 07/03/16 11:20 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Sounds familiar, people here on Medicaid, Medicare, and tricare, those are our govt provided healthcare plans for poor and people who serve in the military, are the ones who have trouble finding a GP. Sounds to me like, becuase govt always pays way less than insurance companies do, GP's can only accept so many before they start losing money on them.

I just wouldn't want that for all of America,'sounds like a frigging nightmare





actually it's not that, insurance companies will demand a 20% discount and most
doctors and even hospitals will give you the same discount of you're paying out
of pocket, government pays full price but the big problem is, getting government
to pay, they like to stall as long as they can and sometimes not pay at all.
many doctors stopped accepting new medicare/medicaid patients for this reason, a
few others have resorted to double billing and marking up the cost of servivces
and other types of frauds in order to recoup their losses

why would doctors want to accept patients referred by crooks


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    #23406793 - 07/03/16 11:21 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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As for France. The health care system is #1 in the world.





according to whom and based on what criteria?




Do your research.





how about you tell me... unless you cant because it was some retardedly arbitrary 
criteria developed by the WHO based on socialized medicine


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    #23406822 - 07/03/16 11:31 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

The truth is all this welfare stuff other than the disabled is just lazy people. Their lazy. They don't want to work hard yet they want the same things that people that work hard get. Such as private health insurance. But they cant so they have to get government. Nice apartments, lots of food, college. They deserve non of it from the tax dollar. What they do deserve is to go to work like the rest of us and work for it like the rest of us. Same goes with any form of insurance.

The main main problem with the USA is all the contaminated way's of the world's communist loving - socialistic loving - welfare loving- dictatorship loving people are trying to rub off onto us. I mean you gotta think about it. I mean think about it... let's say you have a gold nugget. Every thing around it is turd nuggets. All the turd's are going to get jealous and will try to turn the gold nugget into a turd nugget. It's just natural.

jealousy run's rampant.


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