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Re: This image is total proof that universal healthcare is nesscary. [Re: ViZionZ]
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ViZionZ said: Lol @ fast food manager being "blue collar".
Being a manager in a restaurant typically doesn't get you out of the hand work. Fastfood is definitely not white collar work.
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Re: This image is total proof that universal healthcare is nesscary. [Re: Patlal]
#23403207 - 07/02/16 06:30 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Patlal said: Of course universal health care is the way to go. Everybody that has it love it.
even the men that died from breast cancer because the universal healthcare system says that men cannot develop breast cancer and were refused treatment, what about the many people that have died while trying to appeal similar decisions by the universal healthcare death panel, do you think they loved it?
Absolutely. They loved every minute of it.
Death panels... LOL
No system is perfect man. But there are some that are obviously better than others.
EDIT: I'll be honest here. I had to google death panel to know what it was. No that I know what it is, the only thing I can answer to that is "Do you think this is North Korea?"
guess what, every insurance company has a death panel, of course they dont call it that but essentially it's what it is, the insurance companies set a dollar value on your life, once you exceed that dollar amount they will not cover anymore of your expenses, the last 2 insurance companies I had set the amount at $3 million, if they had to pay out more than $3mil to keep you alive then it's no longer worth their efforts in writing checks, clearly the dollar amount is lower in the socialized medical systems and they're more frequent to turn you dont for coverage on rare and unusual illnesses and cancers
That's the reason we took insurance companies out of the equation. Thank for giving such a great example as to why the private sector can't touch the heathcare system
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now here's an example of socialized medicine at work, a Thai girl goes to the hospital in Australia, aussieland has a single payer system, she's not a citizen so this system doesnt apply to her and she has to pay for the services, because she has to pay out of pocket she pays an exorbitant fee, 5 times the amount she would pay if she were being treated in thailand who recently moved away from a greatly subsidized system in which you present a card, pay $1 (35 baht) and you receive treatment, now they're on a system similar to the US in which you can have private insurance pay or you'll be receiving bills for the care
She's not a citien, she doesn't pay australian taxes therefore she doesn't qualify. You gotta set some restrictions otherwise everybody would abuse it. Maybe thailand can reimburse her.
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now, people love to bash the US healthcare system but it works, if an illegal alien goes to the hospital he's treated, if a tourist goes to the hospital they're treated, if a citizen goes to the hospital, they're treated, it doesnt matter your ability to pay, you receive treatment, if you cant afford the treatment the hospital will work with you to get the bills paid and it's nothing more than filling out forms and making a few phone calls. if that's too much for someone to handle then it simply goes on their credit. the hospital doesnt seize your assets but the US government will if you're on medicare/medicaid and you exceed what you've paid in, they take you shit and sell it to recoup the difference, that is socialized medicine in the US. that is why many in the US do not want medical payments handled by the government, others simply dont wat to pay for your liver transplant because you decided that heavy drinking should be a way of life
keep in mind that there's a reason people leave canada for life saving treatments
http://news.nationalpost.com/news/canada/if-i-were-still-in-b-c-i-would-be-dead-canadian-man-saved-by-liver-transplant-in-hong-kong
I sure hope they treat you if walk in sick. It would be ucking brutal if they turned you away...
The US system is perfect for the top 5%. You get top notch immediate treatment with the best medication and follow up possible. That's why foreign rich people love the US system.
For the top 45%, It's so-so. High premiums, high deductibles. It's a monthly income drain. Obamacare apparently made it even worse
For the bottom 50%, it's a horror story. No insurance at all or Obamacare care with low premium and a high deductible they won't be able to afford therefore they to negociate with the doc or take cash from their retirement fund or high interest credit cards, That's on top of the the bills or like you said, the credit penalties. The doc will eventually send their bills to the collection agency which pretty much ruins their chances of ever being able to get a mortgage should they eventually make good salaries. It's a shit show.
Pretty sure Canada still actually has private health insurance, those who can afford it, buy it because their healthcare sucks that bad...
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Re: This image is total proof that universal healthcare is nesscary. [Re: Patlal]
#23403739 - 07/02/16 10:57 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Prisoner#1 said: guess what, every insurance company has a death panel, of course they dont call it that but essentially it's what it is, the insurance companies set a dollar value on your life, once you exceed that dollar amount they will not cover anymore of your expenses, the last 2 insurance companies I had set the amount at $3 million, if they had to pay out more than $3mil to keep you alive then it's no longer worth their efforts in writing checks, clearly the dollar amount is lower in the socialized medical systems and they're more frequent to turn you dont for coverage on rare and unusual illnesses and cancers
That's the reason we took insurance companies out of the equation. Thank for giving such a great example as to why the private sector can't touch the heathcare system
lol... do you think that there isnt a dollar figure stamped on your head by your government? if you believe there isnt then you've really deluded yourself
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now here's an example of socialized medicine at work, a Thai girl goes to the hospital in Australia, aussieland has a single payer system, she's not a citizen so this system doesnt apply to her and she has to pay for the services, because she has to pay out of pocket she pays an exorbitant fee, 5 times the amount she would pay if she were being treated in thailand who recently moved away from a greatly subsidized system in which you present a card, pay $1 (35 baht) and you receive treatment, now they're on a system similar to the US in which you can have private insurance pay or you'll be receiving bills for the care
She's not a citien, she doesn't pay australian taxes therefore she doesn't qualify. You gotta set some restrictions otherwise everybody would abuse it. Maybe thailand can reimburse her.
so these socialized systems dont work for non citizens while the capitalist systems do work for non citizens seeing as how the illegals arent paying the medical bills yet they're the reason many hospitals are going under
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now, people love to bash the US healthcare system but it works, if an illegal alien goes to the hospital he's treated, if a tourist goes to the hospital they're treated, if a citizen goes to the hospital, they're treated, it doesnt matter your ability to pay, you receive treatment, if you cant afford the treatment the hospital will work with you to get the bills paid and it's nothing more than filling out forms and making a few phone calls. if that's too much for someone to handle then it simply goes on their credit. the hospital doesnt seize your assets but the US government will if you're on medicare/medicaid and you exceed what you've paid in, they take you shit and sell it to recoup the difference, that is socialized medicine in the US. that is why many in the US do not want medical payments handled by the government, others simply dont wat to pay for your liver transplant because you decided that heavy drinking should be a way of life
keep in mind that there's a reason people leave canada for life saving treatments
http://news.nationalpost.com/news/canada/if-i-were-still-in-b-c-i-would-be-dead-canadian-man-saved-by-liver-transplant-in-hong-kong
I sure hope they treat you if walk in sick. It would be ucking brutal if they turned you away...
The US system is perfect for the top 5%. You get top notch immediate treatment with the best medication and follow up possible. That's why foreign rich people love the US system.
the reason they love the healthcare system here is because they arent put on a waiting list for 6-12 months to see a specialist and regardless of where you sit on the social ladder you get treatment here
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For the top 45%, It's so-so. High premiums, high deductibles. It's a monthly income drain. Obamacare apparently made it even worse
For the bottom 50%, it's a horror story. No insurance at all or Obamacare care with low premium and a high deductible they won't be able to afford therefore they to negociate with the doc or take cash from their retirement fund or high interest credit cards, That's on top of the the bills or like you said, the credit penalties. The doc will eventually send their bills to the collection agency which pretty much ruins their chances of ever being able to get a mortgage should they eventually make good salaries. It's a shit show.
lol... I live here sparky, while I was still married my ex wife racked up a bill for 2 weeks in ICU with pneumonia, a little paperwork and I never saw a bill for any of it/ why do you think liberals such as yourself never hear about the charity care in the US
BTW. that hit on the credit rating only lasts for 7 years so it's not a life ender
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Re: This image is total proof that universal healthcare is nesscary. [Re: hostileuniverse] 1
#23403957 - 07/02/16 12:10 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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hostileuniverse said: Pretty sure Canada still actually has private health insurance, those who can afford it, buy it because their healthcare sucks that bad...
If Canada's healthcare "sucks that bad" then why do most people seem to be happy with it? Campaigning on ditching public healthcare here would be political suicide.
Private health insurance in Canada is something you would typically get through an employer and covers things like prescription drugs, dental care and private rooms during hospital stays. It doesn't get you some extra special tier of better doctor care. Paying out of pocket for private insurance is a waste of money unless you're traveling out of the country.
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Re: This image is total proof that universal healthcare is nesscary. [Re: psi]
#23404441 - 07/02/16 03:39 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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I like to tell people that is wonderful for their nation. I'm happy for them. But in the USA it is not meant to be.. private is the way it should be. Being forced into health care here in the US is treading on people.
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Re: This image is total proof that universal healthcare is nesscary. [Re: Dr.Wongburger] 1
#23404456 - 07/02/16 03:46 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Dr.Wongburger said: I like to tell people that is wonderful for their nation. I'm happy for them. But in the USA it is not meant to be.. private is the way it should be. Being forced into health care here in the US is treading on people.
I'm all for a universal healthcare system but since it's supposed to be universal it should be mandatory for all citizens of the US which includes the wealthiest and most influential, they should be forced to sit in the same waiting rooms with the rest of us and should any politician decide they want to opt out then they should immediately be opted out of their office
Obamacare is a failure because obama isnt on it
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Re: This image is total proof that universal healthcare is nesscary. [Re: Prisoner#1]
#23404475 - 07/02/16 03:58 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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That is true. I do not like obama care at all.
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Re: This image is total proof that universal healthcare is nesscary. [Re: Prisoner#1] 1
#23404530 - 07/02/16 04:30 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Dr.Wongburger said: I like to tell people that is wonderful for their nation. I'm happy for them. But in the USA it is not meant to be.. private is the way it should be. Being forced into health care here in the US is treading on people.
I'm all for a universal healthcare system but since it's supposed to be universal it should be mandatory for all citizens of the US which includes the wealthiest and most influential, they should be forced to sit in the same waiting rooms with the rest of us and should any politician decide they want to opt out then they should immediately be opted out of their office
Obamacare is a failure because obama isnt on it
Now now. Let's not go from one extreme to another. We were full universal a few decades ago and the waiting time was hell. Since then we opened up a few private clinics for those who want to pay for care on top of paying taxes for the universal system and it's been a success. The rich can pay for what they want, which takes them out of the line so service for others come faster. Everybody wins.
Universal health care is definitely the way to go. But keep a private side system in operation too. It's called a two-tier system. France has mastered it and they have the best system in the world.
Options are always better but the universal system will take care of the vast majority of cases.
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Re: This image is total proof that universal healthcare is nesscary. [Re: Patlal] 1
#23404542 - 07/02/16 04:34 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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I'm at the point in life where I don't really care, as long as I'm not forced to have health care and as long as it does not come out of my paycheck I'm a happy man. Right now the steal from our paychecks with the income tax in the US.
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Re: This image is total proof that universal healthcare is nesscary. [Re: Patlal] 3
#23404569 - 07/02/16 04:46 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Patlal said: Now now. Let's not go from one extreme to another. We were full universal a few decades ago and the waiting time was hell. Since then we opened up a few private clinics for those who want to pay for care on top of paying taxes for the universal system and it's been a success. The rich can pay for what they want, which takes them out of the line so service for others come faster. Everybody wins.
so you're saying that Canada's flawless healthcare system is moving away from universal healthcare but only for the ultra wealthy because fuck the "poor people", right...
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Universal health care is definitely the way to go. But keep a private side system in operation too. It's called a two-tier system. France has mastered it and they have the best system in the world.
Options are always better but the universal system will take care of the vast majority of cases.
by mastered you really mean bankrupted right?
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2013-01-03/frances-health-care-system-is-going-broke http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB124958049241511735
and um.... canada? http://www.forbes.com/sites/theapothecary/2014/06/13/if-universal-health-care-is-the-goal-dont-copy-canada/#3fda740b290d
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Re: This image is total proof that universal healthcare is nesscary. [Re: psi]
#23404607 - 07/02/16 05:00 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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hostileuniverse said: Pretty sure Canada still actually has private health insurance, those who can afford it, buy it because their healthcare sucks that bad...
If Canada's healthcare "sucks that bad" then why do most people seem to be happy with it? Campaigning on ditching public healthcare here would be political suicide.
Private health insurance in Canada is something you would typically get through an employer and covers things like prescription drugs, dental care and private rooms during hospital stays. It doesn't get you some extra special tier of better doctor care. Paying out of pocket for private insurance is a waste of money unless you're traveling out of the country.
Would be interesting to see an approval poll on it though
My only point was that for the touted "best healthcare in the world" why do they even have private insurance, if govt run was so great, one would think there would be no market for private insurers
I've lived my whole on the border with Canadians, first hand accounts don't make good policy debate, but the Canadian run system is far from the utopia so many talk it up as being
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Re: This image is total proof that universal healthcare is nesscary. [Re: Prisoner#1] 1
#23404775 - 07/02/16 05:52 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Patlal said: Now now. Let's not go from one extreme to another. We were full universal a few decades ago and the waiting time was hell. Since then we opened up a few private clinics for those who want to pay for care on top of paying taxes for the universal system and it's been a success. The rich can pay for what they want, which takes them out of the line so service for others come faster. Everybody wins.
so you're saying that Canada's flawless healthcare system is moving away from universal healthcare but only for the ultra wealthy because fuck the "poor people", right...
Yes for the rich and the poor get it free without question or penalty. There's no "fuck the poor" in this equation.
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As for France. The health care system is #1 in the world. The way they manage their economy is another thing entirely.
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Re: This image is total proof that universal healthcare is nesscary. [Re: Patlal]
#23404974 - 07/02/16 07:06 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Not arguing either way, but the links Pris posted are specifically about faults of their healthcare system, not their economy.
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Re: This image is total proof that universal healthcare is nesscary. [Re: DustBunny]
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Patlal said: Now now. Let's not go from one extreme to another. We were full universal a few decades ago and the waiting time was hell. Since then we opened up a few private clinics for those who want to pay for care on top of paying taxes for the universal system and it's been a success. The rich can pay for what they want, which takes them out of the line so service for others come faster. Everybody wins.
so you're saying that Canada's flawless healthcare system is moving away from universal healthcare but only for the ultra wealthy because fuck the "poor people", right...
Yes for the rich and the poor get it free without question or penalty. There's no "fuck the poor" in this equation.
all places with universal health care have private systems. The public system is often better but you normally need to wait unless its urgent. However for small routine operations private is great because you can skip the cues.
However EVERYONE no matter how poor you are can access health care and these people dont have to be in debt for life like in murica where you need to pay $300 for iv fluids.
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Re: This image is total proof that universal healthcare is nesscary. [Re: kakashi68]
#23405229 - 07/02/16 08:46 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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So I guess all the smart people in the USA are dumb cunts huh..
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Re: This image is total proof that universal healthcare is nesscary. [Re: kakashi68]
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Patlal said: Now now. Let's not go from one extreme to another. We were full universal a few decades ago and the waiting time was hell. Since then we opened up a few private clinics for those who want to pay for care on top of paying taxes for the universal system and it's been a success. The rich can pay for what they want, which takes them out of the line so service for others come faster. Everybody wins.
so you're saying that Canada's flawless healthcare system is moving away from universal healthcare but only for the ultra wealthy because fuck the "poor people", right...
Yes for the rich and the poor get it free without question or penalty. There's no "fuck the poor" in this equation.
all places with universal health care have private systems. The public system is often better but you normally need to wait unless its urgent. However for small routine operations private is great because you can skip the cues.
However EVERYONE no matter how poor you are can access health care and these people dont have to be in debt for life like in murica where you need to pay $300 for iv fluids.
Even the poorest in America can access healthcare, and in a timely fashion...
So... The main difference is wait time? And have to pay if you can afford it? I think I'll stick with good ole American style
I'd rather pay for something and get treated in a timely fashion than get it for "free" and have to wait for "non urgent" care
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Re: This image is total proof that universal healthcare is nesscary. [Re: Patlal]
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Patlal said: Now now. Let's not go from one extreme to another. We were full universal a few decades ago and the waiting time was hell. Since then we opened up a few private clinics for those who want to pay for care on top of paying taxes for the universal system and it's been a success. The rich can pay for what they want, which takes them out of the line so service for others come faster. Everybody wins.
so you're saying that Canada's flawless healthcare system is moving away from universal healthcare but only for the ultra wealthy because fuck the "poor people", right...
Yes for the rich and the poor get it free without question or penalty. There's no "fuck the poor" in this equation.
so you're saying that canada will ship the poor out of the country for immediate, lifesaving treatments and will pay for everything?
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Re: This image is total proof that universal healthcare is nesscary. [Re: Patlal]
#23405260 - 07/02/16 08:53 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Patlal said: As for France. The health care system is #1 in the world.
according to whom and based on what criteria?
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