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Re: This image is total proof that universal healthcare is nesscary. [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23392578 - 06/28/16 10:45 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Patlal said:
Of course universal health care is the way to go. Everybody that has it love it.






even the men that died from breast cancer because the universal healthcare system
says that men cannot develop breast cancer and were refused treatment, what about
the many people that have died while trying to appeal similar decisions by the
universal healthcare death panel, do you think they loved it?




There are no death panels son. There are long wait times though, people die waiting.


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Re: This image is total proof that universal healthcare is nesscary. [Re: my3rdeye] * 1
    #23392683 - 06/28/16 11:36 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Greed is killing the world, capitalism is not pushing it to make better meds etc. GREED is the killer!

We can not stop greedy assholes in charge or change their thinking. We can only hope and try to make changes by voting and hiring less greedy people. On second thought the power of money probably makes people greedy for more, a viscous non stop circle of greed and power.:scat::scat::scat::brushteeth:

I have read that there are a shortage of general practitioners MD's, because everybody going to med school want to "specialize" to maximize their profit from taking care of people, greedy fucks! The general practitioner makes about 250-300 a year whereas specialists make about 500 or more. So a quarter fucking mill a year isn't enough for some docs? FUCK! it angers, disgusts, and saddens me. I am going to be in the field soon and I need to remain calm when I start seeing all the BS.


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Re: This image is total proof that universal healthcare is nesscary. [Re: tyrannicalrex]
    #23392715 - 06/28/16 11:54 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Dump trunks full of burning money:smirk:


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Re: This image is total proof that universal healthcare is nesscary. [Re: Prisoner#1] * 3
    #23392744 - 06/29/16 12:09 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Prisoner#1 said:
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Patlal said:
Of course universal health care is the way to go. Everybody that has it love it.






even the men that died from breast cancer because the universal healthcare system
says that men cannot develop breast cancer and were refused treatment, what about
the many people that have died while trying to appeal similar decisions by the
universal healthcare death panel, do you think they loved it?




Yea... stop trying to compare your horrible death panels to our system. Its kinda sad that you would straight up just lie about that. You obviously know nothing. And those links you posted... Yea should have read all of em. They speak of how most patients that die in the ER are because of medical error, which happens in all hospitals.

Yes there are waits... on non life threatening surgeries. If you have something thats going to kill you... your going to get you surgery. Because "dying on a waiting list" also includes old people dying from just anything.For everything else, you either wait in line and have it done cheap or you get private insurance and skip the cue.

Yet you get the choice... rather than being pawns to insurance.


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Re: This image is total proof that universal healthcare is nesscary. [Re: kakashi68]
    #23392760 - 06/29/16 12:16 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

am very happy to live in america. 34 and skill kicking strong despite many hurdles :laugh:

appendectomy at 25, was broke. state paid for most of it.
some weird puss cyst in my arm at 28, feel like i almost died from that. was in college. totally covered.
cancer at 30. private insurance through work, paid about $100 out of pocket.
cancer last year/this year, paid about $1500.

things have gotten more expensive with ACA in place, and I dont know why. Its nearly impossible to afford family health coverage, and I have read it is due to some 'glitch' in the ACA. but whatever. we make do, but I do pay about $600 a month for health insurance.


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Re: This image is total proof that universal healthcare is nesscary. [Re: kakashi68] * 2
    #23392799 - 06/29/16 12:44 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Sound's like your still a little butt hurt from the "Why have a gun?" thread. What's the matter did every one repeatedly burning you cause you to be distraught? :laugh2:


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Re: This image is total proof that universal healthcare is nesscary. [Re: ManianFH]
    #23392815 - 06/29/16 12:56 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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mick said:
am very happy to live in america. 34 and skill kicking strong despite many hurdles :laugh:

appendectomy at 25, was broke. state paid for most of it.
some weird puss cyst in my arm at 28, feel like i almost died from that. was in college. totally covered.
cancer at 30. private insurance through work, paid about $100 out of pocket.
cancer last year/this year, paid about $1500.

things have gotten more expensive with ACA in place, and I dont know why. Its nearly impossible to afford family health coverage, and I have read it is due to some 'glitch' in the ACA. but whatever. we make do, but I do pay about $600 a month for health insurance.




Damn, $7200 a year. Still cheaper than farting in a hospital without insurance.

Uninsured right now, trying to change that.


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Re: This image is total proof that universal healthcare is nesscary. [Re: ManianFH]
    #23392972 - 06/29/16 03:15 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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mick said:
am very happy to live in america. 34 and skill kicking strong despite many hurdles :laugh:

appendectomy at 25, was broke. state paid for most of it.
some weird puss cyst in my arm at 28, feel like i almost died from that. was in college. totally covered.
cancer at 30. private insurance through work, paid about $100 out of pocket.
cancer last year/this year, paid about $1500.

things have gotten more expensive with ACA in place, and I dont know why. Its nearly impossible to afford family health coverage, and I have read it is due to some 'glitch' in the ACA. but whatever. we make do, but I do pay about $600 a month for health insurance.




I pay over $1200 a month for insurance for me, my wife and 2 kids. Twice what I paid before ACA. But thank god the dindonuffins can now show up to the ER for every ache and pain, looking for a free bottle of pills at my expense. I love working for free.


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Re: This image is total proof that universal healthcare is nesscary. [Re: Sticky Green]
    #23392984 - 06/29/16 03:24 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

$1200 a month? Holy fuck dude. That's absolutely ridiculous.


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Re: This image is total proof that universal healthcare is nesscary. [Re: larry.fisherman]
    #23392991 - 06/29/16 03:33 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Obamacare fucked healthcare up pretty good. Made it fucking worse, even for the people with private insurance.


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Re: This image is total proof that universal healthcare is nesscary. [Re: Shroomism] * 5
    #23393068 - 06/29/16 05:04 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Whats needed is a total destruction of current patent laws. Its criminal to ask several thousands of dollars per gram for essential medications that cost less than that to produce per kilo.

And its BULLSHIT that development is that expensive. Its expensive yes but the big problem is they want to make billions in pure profit in a ten year time span, leading to ridiculous markups.

In Africa the latest AIDS medicines are copycatted for pennies on the dollar because they NEED the drugs and cant pay the ridiculous markups. I 100% support that.
Saving Lives > stuffing fatcats


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Re: This image is total proof that universal healthcare is nesscary. [Re: Shroomism] * 1
    #23393088 - 06/29/16 05:26 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Shroomism said:
Obamacare fucked healthcare up pretty good. Made it fucking worse, even for the people with private insurance.





Well, it is a market based solution. We need something along the lines of what we had here in Tenn. some time ago. It was a sort of Medicaid, only if you were employed, you paid a bit for it on a sliding scale. It worked quite well for many, but they had to end it because it got too expensive for the state because 1) Tennessee has no income tax and it ain't a rich state, 2)Drug prices were out of control and 3) some shit weasel kept suing the state over it for various reasons.


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Re: This image is total proof that universal healthcare is nesscary. [Re: Asante]
    #23393207 - 06/29/16 06:52 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Asante said:
Whats needed is a total destruction of current patent laws. Its criminal to ask several thousands of dollars per gram for essential medications that cost less than that to produce per kilo.

And its BULLSHIT that development is that expensive. Its expensive yes but the big problem is they want to make billions in pure profit in a ten year time span, leading to ridiculous markups.






It's about 1.3 million just to submit a drug for review. A small scale clinical trial with 12-16 subjects can easily run a million (depending on the study design). Multi-site, long-term large scale clinical trials are enormously expensive, and this is just on the human clinical side. Prior to this there's similarly expensive non-clinical and in vitro testing.

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Asante said:In Africa the latest AIDS medicines are copycatted for pennies on the dollar because they NEED the drugs and cant pay the ridiculous markups. I 100% support that.
Saving Lives > stuffing fatcats




Why would anyone in their right mind pay all the above expenses just to be copycatted for pennies on the dollar?

Perhaps a more relevant question is what types of corners would we cut, and what level of increased risk would someone assume for cheaper meds?  The second a mistake is made in drug development, the pitchforks come out. It would happen a lot more often by easing up on regulations.


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Re: This image is total proof that universal healthcare is nesscary. [Re: Prisoner#1] * 2
    #23393236 - 06/29/16 07:04 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Prisoner#1 said:
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Patlal said:
Of course universal health care is the way to go. Everybody that has it love it.






even the men that died from breast cancer because the universal healthcare system
says that men cannot develop breast cancer and were refused treatment, what about
the many people that have died while trying to appeal similar decisions by the
universal healthcare death panel, do you think they loved it?




Absolutely. They loved every minute of it.

Death panels... LOL

No system is perfect man. But there are some that are obviously better than others.

EDIT: I'll be honest here. I had to google death panel to know what it was. No that I know what it is, the only thing I can answer to that is "Do you think this is North Korea?"


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Re: This image is total proof that universal healthcare is nesscary. [Re: Asante]
    #23393528 - 06/29/16 09:18 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Why would anyone in their right mind pay all the above expenses just to be copycatted for pennies on the dollar?




The people in Africa who buy the copycatted medicines weren't the ones the drugs were marketed for, the drugs are marketed to rich first world customers and poor third worlders are intended to die without having had the benefit of these medications.

So no, no mercy on Big Pharma.


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Re: This image is total proof that universal healthcare is nesscary. [Re: Asante]
    #23393556 - 06/29/16 09:28 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

I pay $17 a month for insurance. Wtf is with someone paying $600 a month?!?


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Re: This image is total proof that universal healthcare is nesscary. [Re: badchad]
    #23393576 - 06/29/16 09:34 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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badchad said:
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Asante said:
Whats needed is a total destruction of current patent laws. Its criminal to ask several thousands of dollars per gram for essential medications that cost less than that to produce per kilo.

And its BULLSHIT that development is that expensive. Its expensive yes but the big problem is they want to make billions in pure profit in a ten year time span, leading to ridiculous markups.






It's about 1.3 million just to submit a drug for review. A small scale clinical trial with 12-16 subjects can easily run a million (depending on the study design). Multi-site, long-term large scale clinical trials are enormously expensive, and this is just on the human clinical side. Prior to this there's similarly expensive non-clinical and in vitro testing.

Quote:

Asante said:In Africa the latest AIDS medicines are copycatted for pennies on the dollar because they NEED the drugs and cant pay the ridiculous markups. I 100% support that.
Saving Lives > stuffing fatcats




Why would anyone in their right mind pay all the above expenses just to be copycatted for pennies on the dollar?

Perhaps a more relevant question is what types of corners would we cut, and what level of increased risk would someone assume for cheaper meds?  The second a mistake is made in drug development, the pitchforks come out. It would happen a lot more often by easing up on regulations.




If they removed or eased the regulations the individual consumer would need and should already be smart enough to research a substance before putting it into their body, if they live in the USA. Where's the responsibility at now day's? Why do people just take drugs/substances simply because it's prescribed to them?

If you go to the doctors because of a persistent cold and they say you need a steroid shot should the consumer not ask for valid information on the substance or research it before taking the shot? Where's the common sense, people just use substances blindly now day's.

Responsibility, responsibility, responsibility.

The modern day consumer is so babied by big brother government that just because something say's "Approved by the FDA" they think it's safe to use!!!! That's called brain-fucking-wash.

If there are newer drugs coming out and there's little to no information on the substance/substances they should be as a adult intelligent enough to understand that these drugs/substances are experimental and there could be negative consequences towards using them.

What's that thing people always say? "Clean out the gene pool" or something like that right?

Every one supports that idea until it actually comes down to "Take some fucking responsibility!" as a individual and a consumer.

by the way badchad I'm not directing all this towards you.. I'm just ranting I suppose and since the subject was in your post.. :grin:


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Re: This image is total proof that universal healthcare is nesscary. [Re: Asante]
    #23393626 - 06/29/16 09:48 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Asante said:
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Why would anyone in their right mind pay all the above expenses just to be copycatted for pennies on the dollar?




The people in Africa who buy the copycatted medicines weren't the ones the drugs were marketed for, the drugs are marketed to rich first world customers and poor third worlders are intended to die without having had the benefit of these medications.

So no, no mercy on Big Pharma.




I'm not a fan of big pharma my self. They got control of the substances and they fucking know it! They are legal drug producers. backed by a giant fucking turd.

Why can't I as a individual take my medical knowledge, pick up a medically inclined book and diagnose myself if I'm feeling sick or think I have a ailment then take the substances I need for it with out visiting a legal drug deal (doctor)?

The idea here is that we are to stupid to do it our selves and can't decide or be trusted for which drug or substances we need so if we diagnose our selves we have to visit a legal drug dealer (aka Doctor) just to have to be re diagnosed, get the same exact result's and on top of every thing pay hard EARNED money for it.

Tell me why am I denied my rights to take care of my self with out being dependent on a legal drug dealer?

Because people are to scared of what would happen if we legalized substances?

You guy's realize that's why things like marijuana aren't legal every where right? This is a part of the reason. You realize this is why their trying to create criminals out of Kratom users and give people possession charges for Kratom right?

It's because those substances allow people to medicate them selves after they feel they have had a proper diagnoses, by them selves. 

Can you imagine a ENTIRE population saying FUCK pain killers and fuck the legal drug dealers and fuck big pharma when it comes to pain killers and instead they just spend money on Kratom which is dirt cheap compared to kill their pains such as sore backs?

Imagine a entire population self medicating with out any extra charges. What the fuck would happen to the industry? They would lose money, power and control. Not every thing can be self diagnosed so don't get me wrong. I don't hate doctors. But I absolutely hate the controlling of substances and having to go threw middle men who decide if I can get what I need or not and charge me money for it.

Fuck the DEA. Fuck the FDA and fuck the United Nations. And fuck all you people that want to keep drugs illegal, kiss my ass.

Also.. this is not all directed towards you Asante.. sort of a rant..it's just the subject.. get's me going sometimes.


Edited by Dr.Wongburger (06/29/16 09:54 AM)


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Re: This image is total proof that universal healthcare is nesscary. [Re: Dr.Wongburger] * 3
    #23394805 - 06/29/16 04:27 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Dr.Wongburger said:
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Asante said:
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Why would anyone in their right mind pay all the above expenses just to be copycatted for pennies on the dollar?




The people in Africa who buy the copycatted medicines weren't the ones the drugs were marketed for, the drugs are marketed to rich first world customers and poor third worlders are intended to die without having had the benefit of these medications.

So no, no mercy on Big Pharma.




I'm not a fan of big pharma my self. They got control of the substances and they fucking know it! They are legal drug producers. backed by a giant fucking turd.

Why can't I as a individual take my medical knowledge, pick up a medically inclined book and diagnose myself if I'm feeling sick or think I have a ailment then take the substances I need for it with out visiting a legal drug deal (doctor)?

The idea here is that we are to stupid to do it our selves and can't decide or be trusted for which drug or substances we need so if we diagnose our selves we have to visit a legal drug dealer (aka Doctor) just to have to be re diagnosed, get the same exact result's and on top of every thing pay hard EARNED money for it.

Tell me why am I denied my rights to take care of my self with out being dependent on a legal drug dealer?

Because people are to scared of what would happen if we legalized substances?

You guy's realize that's why things like marijuana aren't legal every where right? This is a part of the reason. You realize this is why their trying to create criminals out of Kratom users and give people possession charges for Kratom right?

It's because those substances allow people to medicate them selves after they feel they have had a proper diagnoses, by them selves. 

Can you imagine a ENTIRE population saying FUCK pain killers and fuck the legal drug dealers and fuck big pharma when it comes to pain killers and instead they just spend money on Kratom which is dirt cheap compared to kill their pains such as sore backs?

Imagine a entire population self medicating with out any extra charges. What the fuck would happen to the industry? They would lose money, power and control. Not every thing can be self diagnosed so don't get me wrong. I don't hate doctors. But I absolutely hate the controlling of substances and having to go threw middle men who decide if I can get what I need or not and charge me money for it.

Fuck the DEA. Fuck the FDA and fuck the United Nations. And fuck all you people that want to keep drugs illegal, kiss my ass.

Also.. this is not all directed towards you Asante.. sort of a rant..it's just the subject.. get's me going sometimes.




your serious right... like you actually believe what your typing there.

Man your culture is that fucked its scary. Medicine is very complex... Theres a reason why you need a decade of training just to get your foot in the door let alone specialise and be good at it. Medicine should be about helping the person, which is why your meant to go the doctor. But your culture is so fucking warped its just all about the pills rather than actually fixing the problem you just mask it.

Self medicating is bad... yes lets give everyone who wants oxy, unlimited supplies because there all in "severe pain" Your just being a selfish twat. Most of the population cant be trusted with drugs.... as we have it now people are abuse the fuck out of pills.


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    #23394815 - 06/29/16 04:30 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Your reputation precedes you.


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