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could anyone confirm these ovoideocystidiata
    #23391595 - 06/28/16 04:45 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Greetings fellow shroomerites,

Earlier this year, around the begining of spring, I came accross these interesting looking mushrooms. Being it was after dark and I was using a phone light to help with visibility, I couldnt get a good habitat shot of them but helped myself to a few .

They were located at park in small heap of wood and leaf debris under tree.

Were scattered in area, some solitary specimens but most clustered together.

It was after some heavy rain in northern /central CA

Appearance: 

the color of cap varied, some were lighter caramel to a light olive color, while the bulk of them had a very definitive dark liquorice color. once dried, the color of caps remained the same as when fresh.

The stems did gain a ultraviolet dark look where bruised. in general, the stem did appear to display a darker bruised appearance once dried.

See images for color and gill description.

The did have a sweet but deep spice sort of sent to them once dried. idk if that makes sense. I would say the scent of them once dried is somewhat deeper with a hint of some spice, kinda like a spicy cinnamon when comparing the to dried p. cubensis. overall, the smell was fairly noticeable

the mycelium bruises a dark grey to light black when disturbed or drying.

did not take a spore print of them.

Let me know if I should add anymore info to help identify

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Re: could anyone confirm these ovoideocystidiata [Re: Babylondsrves2burn]
    #23391654 - 06/28/16 05:11 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Not ovoids sorry buddy, not sure what species they are but not an active mushroom.. Better luck next time!!

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Re: could anyone confirm these ovoideocystidiata [Re: Sillycybe43]
    #23391678 - 06/28/16 05:16 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Thanks for your input.

One other thing I forgot to mention: They do not have a ring or veil remnant. Is that a characteristic of all P. ovoids or does that vary from specimen and location?

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Re: could anyone confirm these ovoideocystidiata [Re: Babylondsrves2burn]
    #23391890 - 06/28/16 06:42 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

No they do not have a veil like most wood loving Psilocybes :wink:

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Re: could anyone confirm these ovoideocystidiata [Re: Sillycybe43]
    #23392216 - 06/28/16 08:45 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

These look quite different than ovoids. Do be careful and do your research. Be careful of seeing what you want to see rather than what is there. Idk about california ovoids but on the east coast the season is essentially over.

Edit: maybe a collybia sp. or something


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Re: could anyone confirm these ovoideocystidiata [Re: leschampignons]
    #23392320 - 06/28/16 09:17 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

ovoids arent popping in CA. totally wrong time of year.


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Re: could anyone confirm these ovoideocystidiata [Re: Silky_Johnson]
    #23395126 - 06/29/16 06:30 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Hello again,

Thanks for the detailed explanation(s) in your responses. I'm sure you can convince a self-conscious mountain that its massive size does not imply anything about weight and problems. Lol Jk, I'm being a bit sarcastic but no harm intended I hope. I do appreciate you guys stopping by and sharing your input tho. But... What I am trying to say is, although all of you may be correct about your take on whether or not these are ovoids, I do not think I am fully convinced about many of the claims made:

Sillycybe "they are not ovoids"

To Sillycybe43 I'll say, if I were preparing for an exam about a subject I am completely unfamiliar with, like marxism, and I claimed that 'Karl Marx was dead on about how capitalism would undoubtedly widen the divide between the working class and the leading elite in an unfavorable fashion for the working masses(us getting beat down by the nastiest end of a disease ridden stick)', but then fail to explain why I believe my statement is correct and fall back on a superstitious belief that I can not be wrong about this as the only support to my statement, would you believe me.

I have my reasons to believe they are ovoids and I don't think your reasons as to why they are not ovoids has done much to shift my view. All in all, I'm still not sure why you believe they are not ovoids.

Feel free to change my mind . afterall, I seek the truth - but if I buy into falsity, it better be a bloody good lie behind that mistake!



Silky_johnson "ovoids aren't popping in ca - wrong time of year"

To you're statement I would simply say, they could be. Can microclimates better manipulate the fruiting conditions of fungus than they can of apples or tomatoes. Or is it impossible to manipulate fruiting conditions of either and tomatoes and apples all ripen at the same time in a given region, just as fungus does.

But making that argument isn't even necessary because you may have overlooked when I stated that I found those mushrooms in early spring. It was around the first week of may when I found them. From my understanding, that is prime psylocybe ovoid season in ca. Wouldn't you agree?

I invite you to come make my world flat, if you wish... :P



The reason I think they are ovoids is because of the appearence,
Dark colored caps,
Undeniable bruising,
The overpowering smell,
They were growing on wood debris mixed with Sandy loam soil,
The time of the year they fruited,
They were mostly growing in small clusters rather than solitary,
White stems prior to bruising,
There was wide range of variation in color and appearence among their fellow bretheren,
Lastly, they seem to have been purposely introduced in the area



So that's kind of why I think I may believe what I do, to a certainly uncertain degree...



Sorry about the wall of text  it's just I'm super ocd about explaining my position.  Also, I have nothing else to do, and it is way to hot to get out there and work in the garden. But feel free to dive into the discussion and enlighten me with what you know while I share what I feel I have gained some understand over.

P.s. disclaimer:
I would never eat any mushroom I find in the wild, there are too many unannounced hazards in that path and I prefer to walk on the safe side. That's one of the main reasons I'm on here looking for insight.

@SILLYCYBE43 AND SILKY_JOHNSON, once again thanks for your input. I truly appreciate all and any advice. And if I come off as an ass via my overly-demanding-expectations-for-a-response-manifesto, it's nothing serious, just idle nonsense in attempts of making sense of something. More specifically, if I'm going to be visiting that one legged kaleidoscope sometime soon...




Thanks for dropping by and hanging thru this confusion


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Re: could anyone confirm these ovoideocystidiata [Re: Babylondsrves2burn]
    #23395220 - 06/29/16 07:01 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Not ovoids, like all these smart fellas already told you


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Re: could anyone confirm these ovoideocystidiata [Re: doctorghosty]
    #23395540 - 06/29/16 09:10 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Greetings doctorghostly,

Happy to have you check in and weigh in on the matter at hand. I completely understood what my other shroomerite brethren said. And I completely respect their input.

What I am wanting to obtain is an understanding based on facts. The facts are necessary to get a better foothold on concrete knowledge. Many individuals may be satisfied with yes / no responses to questions but I believe understanding the reasons behind the yes and the no, asking questions as to why someone may believe a response is correct, helps a person gain a true understanding of an issue/subject. Out of my own preference I like furthering my understanding about stuff I get into. In no way am I obligating anyone to fact check their statemments,  I just have a thing for sound arguments. 

To add to that, the reason I feel it necessary to understand why a certain belief is held is to help avoid unfounded statements/ opinions. Throughout my lifetime, I have witnessed many occasions where a incorrect judgement was made leading to the spreading of misinformation about something, and the shroomery I'D THREAD IS NO EXCEPTION. I understand it is difficult stuff identifying fungus with bad pictures and vague descriptions, and I salute a all of you who actively participate in sharing this information with others.

I guess If a higher standard for accuracy isn't an option, details help the naive noob have something to go on when comparing descriptions online or in texts. Basically, in life I've gained a need to distinguish facts from bs. Because life feeds you all types of deception, and unless you know how to discern truth from lies, we may end up part of the sleeping masses who love spoon-fed filler. Idk if you agree with that.

To sum it up I guess what I am interested in figuring out is what distinguishes these from those. A simple question but hard to explain to those who don't have much experience to compare from.

Hope I'm not being a complete annoyance by complicating things. Thanks for your time and input. Hope you have a lovely, easy going, blessed day .

Peace!!!


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Re: could anyone confirm these ovoideocystidiata [Re: Babylondsrves2burn] * 1
    #23395595 - 06/29/16 09:24 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

It's not our burden to prove you're wrong, it's yours to prove you're right. That said, you have no blue bruising. The gills are wrong. There's no pellicle. They don't even look like ovoids. It's ghosty with no L. #blessed


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Re: could anyone confirm these ovoideocystidiata [Re: doctorghosty]
    #23396287 - 06/30/16 03:43 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Entoloma perhaps?

Definitely not a Psilocybe.


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Re: could anyone confirm these ovoideocystidiata [Re: Babylondsrves2burn]
    #23396761 - 06/30/16 08:15 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Op can wish all he wants for them to be ovoids but it won't change them. I know I tried wishing other mushrooms into them for a couple years before I finally found them.:mushroom2:


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Re: could anyone confirm these ovoideocystidiata [Re: Thayendanegea]
    #23396795 - 06/30/16 08:34 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

I used to do this also & you find out pretty quickly that it never works


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Re: could anyone confirm these ovoideocystidiata [Re: doctorghosty]
    #23397293 - 06/30/16 12:03 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Goddamn, pretty hard to convince......

They don't look anything like an ovoid,  at all....not a bit.
Doc gave you the scientific reasons, but you kind of drug it out. Nobody here is going to lie to you about this, and what these people say could very well save your life, don't be so disrespectful, and that is what you're being, intended or not, when you argue with people that clearly know waaaayyyyy more then you about this species, and mycology in general. You can wish, hope, rant, argue until you turn blue in the face, still won't make them ovoids.

....and if you don't believe everyone,  by all means, go ahead and throw caution and expertise to the wind and eat a few. Maybe you won't die, maybe you'll have the profound experience of realization as you shit yourself and vomit.
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Re: could anyone confirm these ovoideocystidiata [Re: SatanicShroomer]
    #23399278 - 06/30/16 10:15 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Is that an ovoid in your avatar?  :rotfl:


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Re: could anyone confirm these ovoideocystidiata [Re: Babylondsrves2burn]
    #23399514 - 06/30/16 11:40 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Likely a toxic Entoloma Sp. Do not consume! I'm no mycologist and it's harder to ID without a print. Take one next time.
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undeniable bruising


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There is no psilocybe like bruising on those. It is a very distinct thing when you see it.

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Re: could anyone confirm these ovoideocystidiata [Re: Babylondsrves2burn]
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Re: could anyone confirm these ovoideocystidiata [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #23400126 - 07/01/16 06:54 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Those aren't ovoids. They look nothing like ovoids. Looking forward to the rebuttal.


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Re: could anyone confirm these ovoideocystidiata [Re: Saunterer]
    #23400130 - 07/01/16 06:57 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Likely a toxic Entoloma Sp. Do not consume! I'm no mycologist and it's harder to ID without a print. Take one next time.
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undeniable bruising


:rolleyes:
There is no psilocybe like bruising on those. It is a very distinct thing when you see it.

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Re: could anyone confirm these ovoideocystidiata [Re: koods]
    #23400584 - 07/01/16 10:06 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

+3 moldy parastic misidentified shrooms to the OP for making a simple ID request so overly long-winded.


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Re: could anyone confirm these ovoideocystidiata [Re: psychosium] * 1
    #23401468 - 07/01/16 03:22 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Is that an ovoid in your avatar?  :rotfl:



Yeppers......

Maybe.....


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Re: could anyone confirm these ovoideocystidiata [Re: SatanicShroomer]
    #23401525 - 07/01/16 03:44 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

OP- Perhaps the original publication on ovoids will provide the facts you seek - https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/6807952

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Re: could anyone confirm these ovoideocystidiata [Re: gman]
    #23402318 - 07/01/16 08:49 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

cool link thanks for posting


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Re: could anyone confirm these ovoideocystidiata [Re: leschampignons]
    #23402809 - 07/02/16 12:29 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

You're welcome. Happy hunting.
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