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Why are drugs illegal?
#23390938 - 06/28/16 12:14 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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So I was blitzkrieg in the pool yesterday and I was thinking, why on earth are drugs actually illegal when we have alcohol, tobacco, and pharmaceuticals so easily obtainable? I mean if the reason is that the government feels drugs are dangerous and that's why they are illegal it makes no sense because they openly sell alcohol and tobacco which are both extremely dangerous drugs in terms of potential to kill you or lead to you killing others. Much more so than herb is, or shrooms, or acid, etc.
It also doesn't really make sense that the alcohol and tobacco companies where in some kind of conspiracy to stop the sale of drugs when they could easily have just jumped on the train and sold them as well.
The only logical thing I could think of was that people in the past were just sufficiently foolish and gullible enough to generalize drugs and through misunderstanding and fear they were able to pass legislation to block the sale of drugs.
That and pharmaceutical companies not wanting alternative options that may or may not be more effective and easier to produce than the drugs they are selling and thus harder to make a profit off of.
I don't know. What do you all think?
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Re: Why are drugs illegal? [Re: Fools Crow]
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psychedelics are illegal cause they open yer eyes to bullshit.
coke, heroin, etc.... are illegal and made looked at so bad so that big pharma can pull the "oh but our shit is safer cause it's legal."
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Re: Why are drugs illegal? [Re: Fools Crow] 2
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Re: Why are drugs illegal? [Re: Fools Crow] 1
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Re: Why are drugs illegal? [Re: Fools Crow]
#23391011 - 06/28/16 12:38 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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I think the main rationale is that people won't go to work and won't behave themselves if it's too easy to get fucked up. Alcohol prohibition was a similar idea, but it was/is so universally popular that the failure of prohibition was obvious to everyone. With less popular intoxicants, it's easier to sustain the fiction that prohibition is achieving something useful.
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sanchothestoner said: psychedelics are illegal cause they open yer eyes to bullshit.
coke, heroin, etc.... are illegal and made looked at so bad so that big pharma can pull the "oh but our shit is safer cause it's legal."
Yeah that basically what I was thinking. It just tripped me out again more so than it has in a long time when I was chilling high as fuck in the pool and I looked over at my herb plants which are seedlings right now and thought how the fuck could our monkey government make growing plants illegal. It still trips me out to this day. Then I got to thinking about drugs in general, and then I ended up on a thought train for like an hour about all the logical possibilities responsible for making them illegal.
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Re: Why are drugs illegal? [Re: psi]
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psi said: I think the main rationale is that people won't go to work and won't behave themselves if it's too easy to get fucked up. Alcohol prohibition was a similar idea, but it was/is so universally popular that the failure of prohibition was obvious to everyone. With less popular intoxicants, it's easier to sustain the fiction that prohibition is achieving something useful.
I actually had a similar thought pattern to that. Only I was also thinking that alcohol is a traditional intoxicant for Europeans that goes back thousands of years; whereas herb and the like are not. That would leave tobacco in question, but I assumed the effects of tobacco are so minor that the powers at large didn't see it as a threat to the established way of thinking.
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Re: Why are drugs illegal? [Re: Fools Crow]
#23391060 - 06/28/16 12:56 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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There are racial and socio-political grounds for the prohibition of drugs. It enabled hippies and blacks to be singled out and their rights trod upon, seeing them as a threat to white middle America. A lot of this wasn't an issue until Vietnam and the common folk started getting fractious with their government about it.
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Re: Why are drugs illegal? [Re: Fools Crow]
#23391075 - 06/28/16 01:02 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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It's always about the money, prohibition artificially spikes the price of these otherwise worthless substances.
If you think the US/EU elites were going to let farmers and governments in Afghanistan and Columbia get rich selling this stuff to their citizens, you don't know them very well.
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Drugs are illegal because of government
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Re: Why are drugs illegal? [Re: plasma]
#23391318 - 06/28/16 02:52 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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It all started out because of control and racism. Opium was banned because of the chinese. Cannabis because of the Mexicans/blacks..(UK banned it without a parliament discussion or any known reason).
Even to modern day UK banned khat in 2014 because it wasn't culturally acceptable.
It's about control, culture, racism and economy between countries.
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Re: Why are drugs illegal? [Re: Fools Crow] 4
#23391321 - 06/28/16 02:54 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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very original thread OP, i've never heard anyone ask this before
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Re: Why are drugs illegal? [Re: Fools Crow] 1
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Fools Crow said: So I was blitzkrieg in the pool yesterday and I was thinking, why on earth are drugs actually illegal when we have alcohol, tobacco, and pharmaceuticals so easily obtainable? I mean if the reason is that the government feels drugs are dangerous and that's why they are illegal it makes no sense because they openly sell alcohol and tobacco which are both extremely dangerous drugs in terms of potential to kill you or lead to you killing others. Much more so than herb is, or shrooms, or acid, etc.
It also doesn't really make sense that the alcohol and tobacco companies where in some kind of conspiracy to stop the sale of drugs when they could easily have just jumped on the train and sold them as well.
The only logical thing I could think of was that people in the past were just sufficiently foolish and gullible enough to generalize drugs and through misunderstanding and fear they were able to pass legislation to block the sale of drugs.
That and pharmaceutical companies not wanting alternative options that may or may not be more effective and easier to produce than the drugs they are selling and thus harder to make a profit off of.
I don't know. What do you all think?
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Re: Why are drugs illegal? [Re: propensity]
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#23392817 - 06/29/16 12:56 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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because nixon was a racist piece of shit
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Shroomopotamus said: because nixon was a racist piece of shit
And there's evidence
http://www.cnn.com/2016/03/23/politics/john-ehrlichman-richard-nixon-drug-war-blacks-hippie/
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One of Richard Nixon's top advisers and a key figure in the Watergate scandal said the war on drugs was created as a political tool to fight blacks and hippies, according to a 22-year-old interview recently published in Harper's Magazine.
"The Nixon campaign in 1968, and the Nixon White House after that, had two enemies: the antiwar left and black people," former Nixon domestic policy chief John Ehrlichman told Harper's writer Dan Baum for the April cover story published Tuesday.
"You understand what I'm saying? We knew we couldn't make it illegal to be either against the war or black, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and blacks with heroin. And then criminalizing both heavily, we could disrupt those communities," Ehrlichman said. "We could arrest their leaders. raid their homes, break up their meetings, and vilify them night after night on the evening news. Did we know we were lying about the drugs? Of course we did."
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Re: Why are drugs illegal? [Re: Fools Crow]
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Re: Why are drugs illegal? [Re: Sheekle]
#23392929 - 06/29/16 02:35 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Sheekle said: very original thread OP, i've never heard anyone ask this before 
My bad. I know it's been gone over a million times. Between myself an my friends included. It just hit me again how idiotic and senseless it is the other day looking at my little plants and realizing I might have to kill them because my fam most likely doesn't want me to grow herb again. It pisses me off. I got mad love for all life, and particularly life I helped raise, and plants are dear to my heart and having to kill them because of a ridiculously stupid law, because our monkey government and those who control and influence it are fools.
I should have titled it and aimed the thread more in the direction of just a general hatred and cry out outrage against the drug war.
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Re: Why are drugs illegal? [Re: Fools Crow]
#23392943 - 06/29/16 02:45 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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The ironic thing is u have to kill your plant to harvest it! 
But since u killed it, i guess its not as bad
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No you don't. I avoided killing my herb at harvest as well as I could; leaving enough foliage for survival and continued growth. Admittedly a few didn't survive the combination of shock and intense heat we were having. 
And I haven't killed them yet. I'm trying to avoid it for as long as possible.
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Re: Why are drugs illegal? [Re: Fools Crow]
#23392969 - 06/29/16 03:13 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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The government makes more money off the cartels than they would off taxes if made legal. The prison system would take a huge hit, and the private ones would go broke without the subsidies they only get by having a certain % level of capacity. It would throw off our 25% of the worlds prisoners with 5% of the population stats.
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Re: Why are drugs illegal? [Re: Fools Crow] 3
#23392981 - 06/29/16 03:22 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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It all started with pot pretty much. Read the Emperor wears no clothes. That should explain most of it. Basically pot is illegal because of racism and money/pure greed. At least that's what it started as. Now it's still about money. It was originally because hemp was/is a far superior product in every possible way to cotton, they had to make it illegal to make people switch. Hemp used to be used for just about fucking everything, in multiple areas. Textiles/Clothes, food, plastics, oil, building material... the new synthetics companies couldn't compete. Pre-prohibition, hemp was the top crop in the world due to its practical uses in hundreds of applications. They had to demonize marijuana in the public eye to make it illegal.. and with it went hemp.
Fucking Dupont and FUCK Henry J. Anslinger.
The rest of the good drugs followed after that and after Nixon got his dirty fucking hands on everything.
Alcohol is legal because it kills you and dulls the senses. And they tried banning it once and that turned out violently. Potheads are less likely to blast you with a tommy gun
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Re: Why are drugs illegal? [Re: Fools Crow]
#23393465 - 06/29/16 08:57 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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because drugs are MURDER!!!!!!!!
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Re: Why are drugs illegal? [Re: 404]
#23393523 - 06/29/16 09:17 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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crack kills
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Re: Why are drugs illegal? [Re: KenInVic]
#23393659 - 06/29/16 10:00 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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They are illegal because the government decided to make them illegal.
Heres a good history lesson http://www.attn.com/stories/2116/reason-marijuana-illegal-united-states
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Re: Why are drugs illegal? [Re: Sheekle]
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sanchothestoner said: psychedelics are illegal cause they open yer eyes to bullshit.
coke, heroin, etc.... are illegal and made looked at so bad so that big pharma can pull the "oh but our shit is safer cause it's legal."
 "legal" drugs are damn near the same as street drugs (amps/opiates), so big pharma probably doesn't like competition.
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sanchothestoner said: psychedelics are illegal cause they open yer eyes to bullshit.
coke, heroin, etc.... are illegal and made looked at so bad so that big pharma can pull the "oh but our shit is safer cause it's legal."
 "legal" drugs are damn near the same as street drugs (amps/opiates), so big pharma probably doesn't like competition.
Yo Sancho! when you're back up north we gotta kickit man.
we definitely will. i'll hit you up when i'm back.
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Re: Why are drugs illegal? [Re: 404]
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404 said: because drugs are MURDER!!!!!!!!

In the wrong hands, drugs can cause murder (but its super rare).
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404 said: because drugs are MURDER!!!!!!!!

In the wrong hands, drugs can cause murder (but its super rare).
On the other hands, I've murdered my fair share of drugs in my travels.
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