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OfflineTcm19277
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$5 for 8L + 40% Alcohol
    #23390826 - 06/28/16 11:16 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

So I used to distill my own rum in a makeshif pressure cooker/lab glass set up. It was good.

This is better though.

I've gotten back into distillling on the fact I now own a professional 12L Distiller.

What you do

1- pour ~6kg Sugar into your fermentation barrel/bucket (cheap) and dissolve it in water filling it all the way up to 22-25L

2- Add some yeast (very cheap, get a pack of 'champagne yeast' from a local shop for £1

3- Sit and wait a week

4- Pour into your distiller, set it up, turn on the heat and sit back and have a beer or something

5- wait while the alcohol comes over at ~80% (at first) gradually declining but doesn't get lower than 40-50% really

6- Rinse out the distiller, pour the spirit back in and dilute to the 12L max capacity with water

7- Slowly distill it watching the temp, throwing away the first bit and stopping before the 'tails' (nasty smelling/tasting stuff made during fermentation)

8- Add some activated carbon to the spirits, Leave for a week or longer stirring/shaking frequently)

9- Filter off and if you want ditill again diluting with water

10- Enjoy your 9L 40% Neutral spirit (which can be flavoured as desired)

All for a few packs of sugar, a cheap pack of yeast, water, and the setup.

I paid £75 for my distiller and it's the best thing I've bought in years, already done a few runs, distilling some right now in fact.

If you ignore that,

It's under £2-3 per 2.5L of 40% Spirit.

It's easy as fuck.


Any of you ever got into the ol' moonshining?


Next thing I'll make is some dark spiced rum - yum.

After I try out this other 'turbo-yeast' that makes 17% alcohol in 3 days from 7kg sugar.

I am trying a few different yeasts to find the best for a neutral spirit.


It's not a bad drunk either, it's very clean.

YOu can DIY a pressure cooker to distill easily, too.



Anyone who drinks a lot should do this - it'll save you a lot of money and give you a chance to experoment with different recipes, making different spirits.


Here's my setup



And some distillate, ~750ml 75%



I've got lots now.

Never have to pay £10 for a bottle of vodka again,

If I want to get drunk,

I'll do this and my alcohol buzz will be almost free!



Anyone else into this sorta ting / made your own alcohol before?



Intelligent alcoholics anonomous :cool3: :thumbup:


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Re: $5 for 8L + 40% Alcohol [Re: Tcm19277]
    #23390981 - 06/28/16 12:26 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

No I haven't but that's looks hella cool


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Re: $5 for 8L + 40% Alcohol [Re: Seriously_trippin]
    #23391040 - 06/28/16 12:50 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Holy fucking shit OP.

Where did you buy your equipment. I'm so doing this. In Canada we pay fucking 40$ for a 40oz of vodka. It's retardedly ridiculous.


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Re: $5 for 8L + 40% Alcohol [Re: Seriously_trippin]
    #23391045 - 06/28/16 12:51 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

A friend and me built a reflux distiller thing last year and we're waiting this fall to start using the beast because of space issues

Taxes are pretty high here for 99% alcohol so that 1 liter costs about 15$. Since my friend is into liquors like chocolate ones and such this is a huge cut on costs, almost 50%

Our setup consists of a 30 liter beer barrel with an electric heating element and thermostat, that I use for brewing too

Do you get solid results from your yeasts? I read once that it was best to add some additional nutrients for them to be able to fully convert the sugar


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Re: $5 for 8L + 40% Alcohol [Re: Brown Buffalo]
    #23391082 - 06/28/16 01:06 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

How do you do it with a pressure cooker? I have a 22 qt. Definitely interested in how I would go about distilling in it..


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Re: $5 for 8L + 40% Alcohol [Re: Brown Buffalo]
    #23391086 - 06/28/16 01:07 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

To anyone considering this, I wouldn't recommend making a pressure cooker still.  It may have just been the way I made mine, but it was a huge pain in the ass.  The seal between the pressure release valve and the copper wire was loose, meaning my alcohol evaporated out into the kitchen so I lost some finished product + the ice I used to cool the vapor melted and made a mess.


Also, there's distiller's yeast that's marketed as going up to 18%(I think) but you can add more sugar to it while it's fermenting and probably jack it up to 22% or so.  If you toss the yeast while there's too much sugar, the yeast can't survive, so adding more while some of the other sugar is consumed will jack up the yield


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Re: $5 for 8L + 40% Alcohol [Re: tito123]
    #23391339 - 06/28/16 03:06 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

The amount of money you'll save versus the attention you'll get from the ATF make this a stupid idea.

The ATF doesn't fuck around.


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Re: $5 for 8L + 40% Alcohol [Re: PassiveMenis]
    #23391487 - 06/28/16 04:09 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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PassiveMenis said:
The amount of money you'll save versus the attention you'll get from the ATF make this a stupid idea.

The ATF doesn't fuck around.



And how would the ATF know you are doing this, exactly?


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Re: $5 for 8L + 40% Alcohol [Re: SloppyJoseph]
    #23392099 - 06/28/16 08:03 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

You gonna get drunk by yourself every time you drink, or you gonna share that booze?

Someone drinks with you, people talk, word gets around. etc. etc.


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Re: $5 for 8L + 40% Alcohol [Re: PassiveMenis]
    #23392103 - 06/28/16 08:05 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Well if you were smart you wouldn't go blabbing your mouth to every dingbat that you share you booze with about where it came from. You think I tell all my homies where the shrooms in my sig come from?

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Re: $5 for 8L + 40% Alcohol [Re: SloppyJoseph]
    #23392113 - 06/28/16 08:10 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

So you're just gonna give people moonshine thats gross as fuck and not tell them where it came from?

Boy I don't know if you've ever had white lightning, but it's pretty fuckin' obvious when someones brewed something on their stove vs bought at a liquor store.


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Re: $5 for 8L + 40% Alcohol [Re: PassiveMenis]
    #23392123 - 06/28/16 08:12 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

PassiveMenis said:
The amount of money you'll save versus the attention you'll get from the ATF make this a stupid idea.

The ATF doesn't fuck around.






you can get a license to distill alcohol for 'fuel', what draws the attention of
the feds is the sale of untaxed liquor, if you're making it for yourself or
selling only to a few friends you know well then there shouldnt be much issue


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Re: $5 for 8L + 40% Alcohol [Re: PassiveMenis]
    #23392131 - 06/28/16 08:16 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Seems like you can distill for personal use in the UK with a free to obtain license. So long as it's not for retail. Since OP is from there, he wouldn't have to worry about ATF.


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Re: $5 for 8L + 40% Alcohol [Re: SloppyJoseph]
    #23392144 - 06/28/16 08:19 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Distilling in a pressure cooker is not worth it. You can make a nice boka style still for relatively cheap. Its basically a keg with a 2" copper pipe attached and could distill to around 95%. With this style you can use a water heater element to make it safer than having an open flame too.


I don't think you want to keep the alcohol that is coming out at 40%. Maybe if its rum, but that even seems low for rum. Definitely keep it and redistill it with your next batch though. The stuff that comes out near the end has more of a chance to give you negative effects I think. Plus it doesn't taste as good.


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Re: $5 for 8L + 40% Alcohol [Re: Lophosaurus]
    #23392176 - 06/28/16 08:30 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Distilling in a pressure cooker is not worth it. You can make a nice boka style still for relatively cheap. Its basically a keg with a 2" copper pipe attached and could distill to around 95%. With this style you can use a water heater element to make it safer than having an open flame too.


I don't think you want to keep the alcohol that is coming out at 40%. Maybe if its rum, but that even seems low for rum. Definitely keep it and redistill it with your next batch though. The stuff that comes out near the end has more of a chance to give you negative effects I think. Plus it doesn't taste as good.





there is no first run 180 proof alcohol producing stills, it would require at
least a second distillation process to get to 180 proof. the most efficient I've
ever seen was a modified coffey type that made 160 proof, even the reflux stills
like the boka is generally around 120 proof.


40% alcohol isnt any more toxic than 90% alcohol, it's the heads and tails that
contain methanol and that's what needs to be avoided


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Re: $5 for 8L + 40% Alcohol [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23392204 - 06/28/16 08:40 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

There is more to watch out for than methanol and the methanol comes out first because it evaporates before the ethanol. The hearts is what you want to keep and redistill the rest(not including the methanol) for best results.

A boka column stuffed with scrubbers and made with the right sized pipes and cooling coil can do way better than 120. I'll look it up right now but i'm 90% sure you can get around 95%.


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Re: $5 for 8L + 40% Alcohol [Re: Lophosaurus]
    #23392234 - 06/28/16 08:52 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Yeah, around 96% with a boka or other reflux. Obviously, unless you know what you're doing, you wouldn't want to distill that high for safety reasons. Especially not with an open flames or indoors.


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Re: $5 for 8L + 40% Alcohol [Re: Lophosaurus]
    #23392240 - 06/28/16 08:53 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

boka columns are no more than reflux condensers, there is no distillation
method that produces alcohol that pure in the first run


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Re: $5 for 8L + 40% Alcohol [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23392296 - 06/28/16 09:10 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Yeah, there is. A full size keg with a ~4' by 2" column that is stuffed with the right amount of copper scrubber can definitely get around there. I'm sure you know this, but the evaporated alcohol goes through the scrubbers and condenses and evaporates until you let it out. You just have to let it do that for about an hour then open up the still and let the ethanol come out at 1 or 2 drips a second.

Try it out. You can get a keg for $30 and the column cost around $100 to $200. Depending on quality you could build the whole thing for less than $500. I hardly drink anymore so it wasn't worth it for me to keep mine so I got rid of it. Building it was really fun and I like the hobby. I might get back into it one day


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Re: $5 for 8L + 40% Alcohol [Re: Lophosaurus]
    #23392299 - 06/28/16 09:12 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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You gonna get drunk by yourself every time you drink, or you gonna share that booze?

Someone drinks with you, people talk, word gets around. etc. etc.



Lol @ the thought of TCM worrying about getting caught for making his own booze, of all things


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Re: $5 for 8L + 40% Alcohol [Re: ModestMouse]
    #23392441 - 06/28/16 09:52 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

He clearly doesn't live in America...

You can't cook an american size meal on that cute dainty lil stove he's got.


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Re: $5 for 8L + 40% Alcohol [Re: SloppyJoseph]
    #23392548 - 06/28/16 10:32 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

There's loads of teks and info online about modifying pressurce cookers/pots/allsorts into a still - 'Homedistiller' is a very informative site.

I worte more but forgot

WTF is the ATF?

I've got more pics f me pitching a 24L sugar mash

You'll see how simple it is. Can't be fucked to uplod right now though.


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Re: $5 for 8L + 40% Alcohol [Re: ModestMouse]
    #23392562 - 06/28/16 10:39 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Quote:

PassiveMenis said:
You gonna get drunk by yourself every time you drink, or you gonna share that booze?

Someone drinks with you, people talk, word gets around. etc. etc.



Lol @ the thought of TCM worrying about getting caught for making his own booze, of all things



:lol:

I'm goig to be drinking it myself unless I have something real good and the oportunity.

'Moonshine' is not nasty if you do it properly, like pris said, cut out the head/tails & distill a few times.

It was coming out @~75-80% first run beleive it or not.

& Yeah a reflux still is best for neutrals


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Re: $5 for 8L + 40% Alcohol [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23392665 - 06/28/16 11:27 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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there is no first run 180 proof alcohol producing stills, it would require at
least a second distillation process to get to 180 proof. the most efficient I've
ever seen was a modified coffey type that made 160 proof, even the reflux stills
like the boka is generally around 120 proof.






An efficient fractionating column is your best bet. Ive seen them hit 170 proof on the first run. Ive got some rum and some all grain whiskey aging as we speak



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Re: $5 for 8L + 40% Alcohol [Re: I_was_the_walrus]
    #23396746 - 06/30/16 08:09 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Nice - Rum is next for me - used to make it often and It was lovely after a few months aging/spiced :drooling:

Nice barrells BTW! :yesnod: :cheers:

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This is how easy a sugar wash is

Get your fermentor and sterilize it



Rinse it all off after letting it sit whie you sit back and watch a film drinking your previous moonshine or something :wink:

Start filling it with water, and add in sugar, plain white sugar, real cheap, eapecially in the big bags. I'm using 7kg (14lbs) for this 24L mash, so fill it up, while stirring the sugar in to dissolve, up to your desired volume (like I say, 24L).



All filled up



I am using a 'Tubo yeast' this time and its a good investment, they aren't too much money anyway - this one is the one I am trying out now



That's it. Stir the yeat in a little bit and put the top on (you done want an airlock as this stuff ferments so vigourously producing lots of CO2.

You're left with something like this



This was taken about 8 hours after starting it, It was already fermenting rapidly and you could smell the alcohol.
Yeast already doin' its thang :cool3:



This is taken now, 48hrs after pitching the yeast (starting) - It stinks of alcohol, it will alreadybe ~15% and is still going, I plan on distilling it tomorrow evening, as you see on the pack, 7kg sugar + 3 days = 17% alcohol :yesnod:

Trying to distill as early as possible to minimalize the formation of esters and fusel alcohols. Next time I do a turbo wash theres an activated carbon product to use during fermentation I'll try out, and also I will try filtering it through a biodiesel bag so I don't heat up yeast etc in my still.

Here's now - clearing up a little



I COULD throw it in my still this minute as it'll be 14+% but am waiting 'till tomorrow for the 17%.

17% of Ethanol in 24L mash, = 8.2L 50% Spirit

Lets say I lose some and end up with 7L after heads/tails, evaporation, carbon cleaning, etc.

That STILL = ~8.75L 40% Vodka type spirit you can have straight, it's clean enough when done properly, you can flavour it - I am thinking of making sambuca with some this time. You can buy all sorts of flavourings. You could age it, spice it, macerate it with herbs, make a nice gin or even absinthe or something - all for the price of some sugar and some yeast, you get the equivilent of 12x 700ml £12-£15 bottles (each)...
So it's equivilent of a total of ~£150 worth different bottles of spirit at the shops, and that's going on the cheap shop brand vodka's price of £12/0.7L!
Depending on what you buy, lets say you buy vodka, it's basically the same thing. Your spirit will be even nicer after a little practise and put the super cheap vodka from the shop to shame!

Yeah there's a learning curve, but man is it awesome to have so much alcohol so easily and so cheaply, all DIY too! :dealwithit2: :alc:

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Re: $5 for 8L + 40% Alcohol [Re: Tcm19277]
    #23396766 - 06/30/16 08:18 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

:kaneclap:

Inspiration to alcoholics everywhere. How's the taste?


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Re: $5 for 8L + 40% Alcohol [Re: I_was_the_walrus]
    #23396818 - 06/30/16 08:45 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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there is no first run 180 proof alcohol producing stills, it would require at
least a second distillation process to get to 180 proof. the most efficient I've
ever seen was a modified coffey type that made 160 proof, even the reflux stills
like the boka is generally around 120 proof.






An efficient fractionating column is your best bet. Ive seen them hit 170 proof on the first run. Ive got some rum and some all grain whiskey aging as we speak







agreed. it's the moist efficient that I've seen, typically around 165-170 proof




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Re: $5 for 8L + 40% Alcohol [Re: SloppyJoseph]
    #23396900 - 06/30/16 09:23 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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:kaneclap:

Inspiration to alcoholics everywhere. How's the taste?



At first, not so great, but after getting rid of the heads (easters and stuff that boil before the main alcohol fraction, you throw them out, and stopping the still run at the right time, so as not to collect many (any prefferably) fusel alcohols, different alcohols like butanol instead of ethanol, which boil at a higher point, so you have to watch the temp and make sure you get as few of them as possible. They are all fermentation byproducts.

Last time actually on the first run too, the mid fraction was odourless and tasted just fine, like when you get 95% alch and water it down, it has that sorta 'taste' but it wasn't/isn't prominent, because what I do is I do a first tun, getting all (well, most, you can't get 100% of your ethanol without getting a good few fusels, esters, etc etc too, but still separate the fractions into jars. The last one I sometimes leave for the next distillattion of mash (the yeasty crude stuff in the bucket)

The rest, a few liters, as I have to do a 24L wash in 2 separate runs as I only have a 12L still, but once I do the 2 runs of mash, I select the good alcohol (some of it when you collect it in seperate portions you just don't want) and I put the 50%-80% spirit in the still again, watered down to 12L with plain old water. Distil it slowly, throw away the heads, watch the temp, collect the spirit until the alch content stats to drop significantly, and this stuff is pretty pure tasting. I'm talking straight shots too BTW (watered down of course to drinkable strngth!).

Then if the first bit or the last bit doesn't smell up to standard I can put it aside and use it with my next mash or save them up and re-distill a third time watered down again with water.

Then you can treat it with things like Activated charcoal, That gets rid of pretty much any thing else.

If I wanted to be pedantic I could run it through a third time after filtering off the carbon and diluting it for 'triple distilled' spirit but I usually don't bother as it is pretty much odourless and tasteless - I showed some (IMO sub-par stuff) to someone yesterday, and I can smell a slight sweetness and am waiting for some carbon (just started this again and the shop didn't have any, had to order some) for it, but I showed it to her let her smell and taste it and she said she didn't smell anything, it smells like strong alcohol, doesn't taste funny, so yeah.  I MYSELF am not content with it so it'll prob go through a third time, I've got some spare time on my hands, coul do it today even, but then it'll be carbon filtered and it'll be just like vodkaafter that does it's job!

When you flavour it obviously you mask any 'off-ness' quite a lot, too.

It is a strong neutral spirit with little taste and no smell (other than the alch of course) when everything goes how it should.



Funny because when I used to make rum, yeah you'd get rid of the heads the same, but you'd keep a lot more of the tails in for flavour.



For a neutral sugar wash you have to switch collection jars as soon as the alch % of the distillate start to drop. Anything lower than 50-60% I don't bother with, and collect it seperate.


It takes time and lots of not so nice runs to get the hang of it. But it's worth it in the end.


Even the bad shit, throw on some carbon, throw on some oak chips, you got yourself a decent tasting drink :shrug:




Also I should mention that yeast plays a big role - I bought 2 turbos, one for the wash I just distilled, and one for this one, and am going to compare - I tried out plain 'champagne yeast' too but that was useless, threw it all out.





Even the crap stuff though if you make a mixed drink and really want/need the alcohol, it doesn't taste 'bad', just a little funny.


I'll let you know how it all turns out obviously. Will keep updating this thread.





Sorry for the :blah: - Stimulants, see. :rolleyes:


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Re: $5 for 8L + 40% Alcohol [Re: Tcm19277]
    #23396919 - 06/30/16 09:31 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

The only spiced ruum I;ve ever liked was the one I made myself, in a makeshift setup, in my bedroom bka at home, with an even amaller still, took 4-5 runs todistill the lot, and after toasting some oakchips and aging the rum on those for a few months - 6 weeks at least and also infusing the spices,

Well, it's one of te best things I've ever drunk. SO you can get real tassty stuff regardless of your situation/setup :thumbup:

Fermenting Mollasses is just a lot more expensive than white sugar, and I am looking to be a cheap-ass for now :wink:

I will re-distil the stuff I have saved, andthrow in some Molecular Sieves (absorbs a load of the shit you don;t want, better than activat3ed carbon, too.

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