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Are all Panaeolus species edible? *DELETED*
    #23389937 - 06/28/16 03:59 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: Are all Panaeolus species edible? *DELETED* [Re: xfsketch]
    #23390014 - 06/28/16 05:16 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: Are all Panaeolus species edible? [Re: Gilzman]
    #23390044 - 06/28/16 05:44 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

First off thank you for the detailed reply :hellyeah: secondly I know what you mean by the smell. I always give them a sniff and really can smell that agaricus blend with something else maybe the active ingredients or a table mushroom earthy smell as you described. I smell foes as well and can tell a slight difference. They smell less strongly as you said. Also noticed how their gills are brown and fall below the cap line most times at maturity. I believe I have not found olivaceus before. I cant find any that have the greenish tint. Its possible I have found them and they were bleached out by the sun. Ive often thought the smaller variety that grow in the ruts livestock make are olivaceus. Ive watched them from pin stage to maturity and they rarely get bigger than a dime. I forgot to mention earlier, I also see panaelopsis in the same areas I see cinctulus. Ive been told a few or more things I felt rang true about indicators. Like bolbitius fruits right before and during cinctulus fruits in the spring not so much later in the year. Same goes with panaelopsis. Ive also been told that all black spored pans are edible. Ive also been told that in the spring the cincts fruit like mad, that spring variety are less potent than the fall variety and Smaller mushrooms contain higher amounts of active compounds per weight. Anyhow before i get away from myself here. I have a microscope but not a powerful one. Ive observed pastures that have both horses and cattle and have seen the occassional pan foes. I have seen a small cluster cincts growing directly from a round bale before which was neat. Almost all the pans I see prefer dung that has been returned to the soil and where grass grows. Spore prints are a great indicator but ive seen so many black prints Im thinking I should just be confident in my findings. Im not confident though because I keep seeing these variations and wondering if Im wrong or not. I like your experiment idea. Some of the pans I see are completely white with black gills. I see a lot of them sometimes and just wonder if they are just P. antillarum. They say P. antillarum grows directly from dung so I shouldnt think they are those if not growing directly from dung. Im interested as well to see what people say in the replies to this post.


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Re: Are all Panaeolus species edible? [Re: xfsketch]
    #23390078 - 06/28/16 06:07 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

The experiment you mentioned would be a good one. It is quite possible that pans share or overlap mycelia. I never tried to grow anything but the subject really interests me. I like to observe things in the wild as of now. Seeing where everything fruits I gather that its likely pans share the same space with each other.


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Re: Are all Panaeolus species edible? *DELETED* [Re: xfsketch]
    #23390417 - 06/28/16 08:40 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: Are all Panaeolus species edible? [Re: Gilzman]
    #23391688 - 06/28/16 05:20 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Wow gilzman thats some cool shit right there. Thank you for the write up. Makes me want to try it. Really cool how the mycelium carries water droplets to where it can utilize them! Good job! Where do u get the rabbit turds lol? Im guessing a pet. Have you ever tried a different dung like horse, deer etc? Sorry for the wait on my reply. I fell asleep.
Edit: yes it is truly remarkable how they come back in the same spots.


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Re: Are all Panaeolus species edible? *DELETED* [Re: xfsketch]
    #23391841 - 06/28/16 06:16 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: Are all Panaeolus species edib [Re: Gilzman]
    #23391925 - 06/28/16 06:56 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Thats wild about rabbits how you said they are extending them into urban environments and how they eat their own poop lol. I guess thats not so odd since a lot of animals eat their own or others dung. Its always nice to have fun on the fourth:manofapproval: im fairly confident as well for ive been into fungi for a few years as well. I read that a lot of the data on Panaeolus is in german and dutch so its tough to translate for some mycologists. Or something like that. There really is t that much info online compared to other species. Not all in one place anyway. Theres like 30 types of pans worldwide. I would like to know if all of them are edible or not. At Least the pans which grow in Northeast America. I believe youre right over watering reminds me of how in my experience none of the pans like swampy areas or ditches. They seem to prefer flat to a slight slopes that are well drained.


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Re: Are all Panaeolus species edib [Re: xfsketch]
    #23393218 - 06/29/16 06:56 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

To answer your main question regarding edability of Panaeolus, I suppose the fact that they are not really a choice food group limits the answers.  I am not sure if any are sought out as just food.

The best one can do is research all the Panaeolus types that are in your area and try to find out if they are toxic etc.

I am aware of most types (that is ALL mushrooms) that are in my stomping grounds.  I also note that Panaeolus in the Fall have spots that are not producing in the Spring.  I theorize it has to do with the angle of the sun and exposure.

Since Panaeolus are the only game in town here, I guess I concentrate on them too much.  I will be taking some trips to horse areas this year though I can see that being an issue regarding walking around properties.  I mostly combine my hunts with the need to get exercise.  Knees can't take jogging let alone running.

I might do a Foe jar experiment.  It will be interesting to see if thy take to the coffee grounds and if they do a similar reaction to the rabbit turd.


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Re: Are all Panaeolus species edib [Re: Gilzman]
    #23395290 - 06/29/16 07:30 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Thanks again. Youre right I will have to just do some more research. Im probably going to delete this post. Nothing you said or anything. Just hoped for an answer. Hit me up on the IM sometime or I will ttyl in another post. Its good to be aware of all the fungi in your stomping grounds. I know what you mean about private lands. It can make one worry. Nothing beats having permission. I also enjoy the excercise as well. Good luck with your foe experiment :highfive:


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Re: Are all Panaeolus species edible? [Re: Gilzman]
    #23395318 - 06/29/16 07:45 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Here is a quick experiment.  I take a baby food jar, dipped it boiling water, physically dry it with paper towel, and then wipe it with a pop up sanitizing wipe.  I let it then dry in a warm oven  I take fresh brewed coffee grounds and put them in the jar with a little water and then microwave it for 45 seconds.  i then put lid on tight and shake it.  This is then left to sit and cool down.

Once cooled, take an exacto knife that has been heated and cooled down and scrape a good black spore print.  Tap it over the coffee grounds.  Put on lid and forget about it for a few days.  You will have mycelia then.  I then place rabbit droppings in the coffee grounds.  Wet the top with a fine water spray and watch the mycelia attack the turds.

I have placed wild grass seed in the pic also as an experiment.

more than likely, you will get contaminants over time.  But you will get a good up close look at the action.  I can see the mycelia transporting water drops in this pic.  They are being taken off the glass wall and transported to the new turds.  Always replace the lid and try not to breathe in the jar.

You can always dump it in the backyard once it gets old.

Edit: Hold jar in a towel when you put lid on after microwaving it.  The lid must be tight.  The idea of shaking it is to create a pressure vessel.  It will be hot and slightly pressurized.  this will kill most things but it is not a pressure cooker.  Again, I am not after growing mushrooms but observing the spore to mycelia part of the life cycle and the engineering that goes on.  It is remarkable that these things grow in the wild and obviously (to me) come back in the same exact spots.






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Re: Are all Panaeolus species edible? *DELETED* [Re: donjonson420]
    #23395994 - 06/29/16 11:36 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: Are all Panaeolus species edible? [Re: Gilzman]
    #23396195 - 06/30/16 02:18 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Giolzman: google "mucor" .. I think that's what you are growing.



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xfsketch said:I guess Im wondering if the north American species are all edible.



There are no known toxic Panaeolus (if you aren't considereing psilocybin toxic :wink: )
I think this is actually true for all mushrooms with black spores (except some coprinus combined with alcohol).

On the other side, edibility also refers to taste... Even if you can eat them without becoming sick, it could still taste bad.


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Re: Are all Panaeolus species edible? [Re: knarkkorven]
    #23397846 - 06/30/16 03:07 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Thank you Knarkkorven :smile: I figured as much. Well put. That is a satisfying answer. I know what you mean about coprinoids and alcohol as well as if one considers psilocybin poisonous. I will rest better knowing this. I appreciate all the replies given to this post. Have a great fourth everyone!


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