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Re: Why don't we have a "libtard" smiley? [Re: Dr.Wongburger]
#23403706 - 07/02/16 10:37 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Wesley Snipes said the same shit and ain't nobody gave a fuck, he still went to prison for not paying income tax.
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Re: Why don't we have a "libtard" smiley? [Re: Dr.Wongburger]
#23403718 - 07/02/16 10:44 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Dr.Wong burger said: However I will briefly tell you we have Public schools or citizens can choose to put their loved ones into private schools. We have the choice of education here and are not restricted towards Government provided education.
By what criteria is this choice made? Can a child born to some crack head just decide that they want a good education and not go to a school with metal detectors? Is that a choice they can make? It's not their fault their parents are crack heads, maybe they are potentially brilliant people who might cure cancer or figure out faster than light travel. If only they went to a good private school.
You seem to think like a lot of publicans do, that choices are easy and everywhere. The reality is they are not. Some people can choose to do whatever they wish. But many people have their choices made for them before they were born.
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Re: Why don't we have a "libtard" smiley? [Re: Pastywhyte]
#23403761 - 07/02/16 11:06 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Dr.Wong burger said: However I will briefly tell you we have Public schools or citizens can choose to put their loved ones into private schools. We have the choice of education here and are not restricted towards Government provided education.
By what criteria is this choice made? Can a child born to some crack head just decide that they want a good education and not go to a school with metal detectors? Is that a choice they can make? It's not their fault their parents are crack heads, maybe they are brilliant people who might cure cancer or figure out faster than light travel. If only they went to a good private school.
You seem to think like a lot of publicans do, that choices are easy and everywhere. The reality is they are not. Some people can choose to do whatever they wish. But many people have their choices made for them before they were born.
The decision is based on my own personal experiences. Sure there are drugs, violence and trash and depending on which private school a lack of a good educational experience provided. In my area however there are some seemingly pretty good private schools or so it seem's. We all want the best for our children right? Right now at this point in my life I probably would not be able to afford it but I like to think there is still some good people out there and they would work with me. However if they choose not to, that's tough luck for me!
That comes to conclude that the world is a tough place. It's rough man. It really is. I'm not denying this fact. I live in a society that is not meant to be a perfect or a well-being "always" society. I live in what is meant to be free society. Freedom has consequences. Very bad ones at times!
Depending on the area, the child of a crack head may receive a well off education or a very bad one, from public schooling. Same goes for private.
I just wanted to clarify toward's him the fact is that there are other choices and people are using their options if they can. This is said to help him understand that even tho they may be legally required to attend two more year's of schooling than underage people in the United States that even public wise or private wise it does not by all means create a general sense that our education system is inferior.
Choices may be everywhere but not every one has them. It's rough. Have I been able to experience the best choices in life? Absolutely not. Not many things are accessible to me. You might say why don't you just buy this or buy that.. or do this or do that. Because it's tough out there and I only can afford what i can afford- the basics of life.
The blood of a crack head goes to the child. The blood line is not as fortunate. It's tough man. Blood is important, don't let any one tell you different.
This society is not always fair. It's not meant to be. It's free.
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Re: Why don't we have a "libtard" smiley? [Re: idiotek] 1
#23403762 - 07/02/16 11:06 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Private education sounds nice. Except it creates a two class system.
Most every person in the country, attends a public school.
People that are rich attend a private school.
Access to private schools better education is based solely on your parent's income. Not your merit or intelligence or hard work. Simply privledge.
This better education allows easier access to better more illustrious colleges. Access into fraternities and other groups is based a lot on your previous education, someone who went to private school will get picked over someone who went to public school 9 times out of ten.
Past college, when you apply for work. Not apply for Taco Bell or the mall, but for top of the paygrade professions like working for Goldman Sachs, or getting into politics. For these professions, members of fraternities and graduates from Ivy League schools, of which you would most likely need to have been to private school to been a member, are almost exclusively hired.
This is how money keeps it in the family. Hire and support their neighbors and fraternity brothers.
If the elite of the country had to send their children and grandchildren to the same public schools the rest of the country has to attend. I bet our education system would have be in a lot better shape. As it is, why would the politicians and the billionaires that own them give a shit how our kids education system is, they can afford to skip this shit system and go straight to schools that have books published in this millennium.
The people who are the loudest in support of private schools, in my experience are right wing conservative, religious people in America. Most often it's middle to low class regular folks with regular jobs. Who most likely went to public school. They think the private education is the way to go because of how shit the public schools are.
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Re: Why don't we have a "libtard" smiley? [Re: idiotek]
#23403766 - 07/02/16 11:08 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Geoff Peterson said: Wesley Snipes said the same shit and ain't nobody gave a fuck, he still went to prison for not paying income tax.
You are dealing with the mafia here. If you don't pay up they are gonna hit ya and they are gonna hit ya hard.
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Re: Why don't we have a "libtard" smiley? [Re: Dr.Wongburger]
#23403772 - 07/02/16 11:12 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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The mafia doesn't provide a service, they just steal. At least when speaking on extortion.
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Re: Why don't we have a "libtard" smiley? [Re: Supachopped719]
#23403774 - 07/02/16 11:13 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Supachopped719 said: Private education sounds nice. Except it creates a two class system.
Most every person in the country, attends a public school.
People that are rich attend a private school.
Access to private schools better education is based solely on your parent's income. Not your merit or intelligence or hard work. Simply privledge.
This better education allows easier access to better more illustrious colleges. Access into fraternities and other groups is based a lot on your previous education, someone who went to private school will get picked over someone who went to public school 9 times out of ten.
Past college, when you apply for work. Not apply for Taco Bell or the mall, but for top of the paygrade professions like working for Goldman Sachs, or getting into politics. For these professions, members of fraternities and graduates from Ivy League schools, of which you would most likely need to have been to private school to been a member, are almost exclusively hired.
This is how money keeps it in the family. Hire and support their neighbors and fraternity brothers.
If the elite of the country had to send their children and grandchildren to the same public schools the rest of the country has to attend. I bet our education system would have be in a lot better shape. As it is, why would the politicians and the billionaires that own them give a shit how our kids education system is, they can afford to skip this shit system and go straight to schools that have books published in this millennium.
The people who are the loudest in support of private schools, in my experience are right wing conservative, religious people in America. Most often it's middle to low class regular folks with regular jobs. Who most likely went to public school. They think the private education is the way to go because of how shit the public schools are.
It's definitely a bloodline. If you are born with the right blood you have the best. Blood is very important. I hope that is very clear to every one.
I personally went to public schooling. I do agree that private school's should be allowed and there's nothing wrong with it. Free society. A tough society. But that's what freedom is. It's tough.
I love freedom tho with all my insides.
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#23403776 - 07/02/16 11:14 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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The problem with conservatives is that they're not conservative. They preach about small government & all that......but in reality they're all about government sticking it's nose in people's business. They don't like spending tax money on social issues, but have no problem blowing it on weapons & impeding on people's rights in the name of the bible. If the "conservatives" had their way, America would be ruled by the law of the bible; a Christian version of shariah law. While I don't align myself with any particular party & tend to be more fiscally conservative, I'm extremely liberal from a social viewpoint. I don't give a shit what religion one chooses to follow, but when you try to force it down my throat; Those morons are impeding social progress & will continue to do so thanks to their book of fairy tales.
Furthermore, Trump is a moron. An egotistical, misogynistic, racist douche with a poor history running his own businesses. The man is hypocrite, a flip flopper & no one really knows what he stands for. Dude just diarrhea's out of his mouth & the morons of the country laps it up. The fact that he may be our next president is terrifying.
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Re: Why don't we have a "libtard" smiley? [Re: Dr.Wongburger]
#23403786 - 07/02/16 11:16 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Dr.Wongburger said: I live in a society that is not meant to be a perfect or a well-being "always" society. I live in what is meant to be free society. Freedom has consequences. Very bad ones at times!
So why do we need to settle for less? Why not have a society that is not only free but fair? It can be done. Remove the blocks that are in place to safeguard class division and you will have less social strain. Less social strain means less need for police, surveillance, social assistance programs, etc. All the shit that is costing you in taxes, would be far less of a factor if you actually had a level playing field.
It costs less to buy a homeless person a house to live in and get him off the street, than it does in police, emergency, and judicial services. Not only are they no longer a drain socially, but in most situations, they actually start to contribute back.
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Re: Why don't we have a "libtard" smiley? [Re: Supachopped719]
#23403813 - 07/02/16 11:23 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Supachopped719 said: Private education sounds nice. Except it creates a two class system.
Most every person in the country, attends a public school.
People that are rich attend a private school.
Access to private schools better education is based solely on your parent's income. Not your merit or intelligence or hard work. Simply privledge.
This better education allows easier access to better more illustrious colleges. Access into fraternities and other groups is based a lot on your previous education, someone who went to private school will get picked over someone who went to public school 9 times out of ten.
Past college, when you apply for work. Not apply for Taco Bell or the mall, but for top of the paygrade professions like working for Goldman Sachs, or getting into politics. For these professions, members of fraternities and graduates from Ivy League schools, of which you would most likely need to have been to private school to been a member, are almost exclusively hired.
This is how money keeps it in the family. Hire and support their neighbors and fraternity brothers.
If the elite of the country had to send their children and grandchildren to the same public schools the rest of the country has to attend. I bet our education system would have be in a lot better shape. As it is, why would the politicians and the billionaires that own them give a shit how our kids education system is, they can afford to skip this shit system and go straight to schools that have books published in this millennium.
The people who are the loudest in support of private schools, in my experience are right wing conservative, religious people in America. Most often it's middle to low class regular folks with regular jobs. Who most likely went to public school. They think the private education is the way to go because of how shit the public schools are.
Students graduating from public schools get into Ivy League universities and other prestigious colleges all the time, so I don't understand your complaint.
The money spent on many shitty public schools is very high, so what does that tell us? It's not the teachers and buildings that suck, it's the students that suck!!
Why do those students suck so much at school? Because they come from broken homes and terrible environments, money can't fix those students.
This so called "privilege" that you speak of really isn't there today, everyone has equal access to high level education, not having equal outcomes doesn't mean that the opportunity isn't there.
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Re: Why don't we have a "libtard" smiley? [Re: Supachopped719]
#23403824 - 07/02/16 11:25 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Supachopped719 said: The mafia doesn't provide a service, they just steal. At least when speaking on extortion.
You get my point tho? The government will stick ya in jail if you don't pay up. Then onto prison. For the rest of your life.
All because we are demanded to "support" people to sit on their ass's or go to college.
Don't get me wrong helping the disabled is important. They should be helped. Self defense is important and so is transport. But that shit SHOULD NOT come out of our paychecks.
There's other options out there. The "consumption tax" is one. Not saying that's any good or what not. I have not studied it.
I'm just saying there are other options out there, and if they did choose other options we could get rid of paying for people to go to college. Because this a free society that is tough as shit and meant to be so they could also remove assisted living bullshit- to where people pay rent according to what they make, Id personally rather go homeless then do that, I have friends that have gone homeless still worked and just couch surfed for sometime or did whatever not to avoid that but you get the idea, it's that or get your ass a second job, get a better job or change locations do what you got to do in life to better your situations.
I'm not hating on people currently taking advantage of the system. Their doing what is available in life. Please no one get this confused.
Guess what? I could probably qualify for assisted living. But you know what I'm not a bitch and I live in a shit apartment. People would get by with out it man. I'm telling you guys. I'm not saying just yank it away from them. Everyone is addicted to it currently..
I'm not the president so I don't know how to get em off of it but there is a way.
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I spent years strung out on drugs. The county or state (I forget which) paid for me to go to rehab, then to outpatient. Once I'd been clean for several months, I was enrolled in a vocational rehabilitation program that used government money to pay for my schooling. I now have a degree, certification & am a licensed health care professional. I'm gainfully employed, doing what I enjoy & making a difference in people's lives. And I'm paying back into those very programs through my taxes. Were it not for those programs, I wouldn't be where I'm at today....and if were still alive I would certainly be a drain on society. It didn't cost all that much to get me here. Certainly less than a year as a guest of the state costs.
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#23403833 - 07/02/16 11:29 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Excellent man! Glad to hear that your doing well
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Re: Why don't we have a "libtard" smiley? [Re: Dark_Star]
#23403840 - 07/02/16 11:33 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Dark_Star said: The problem with conservatives is that they're not conservative. They preach about small government & all that......but in reality they're all about government sticking it's nose in people's business. They don't like spending tax money on social issues, but have no problem blowing it on weapons & impeding on people's rights in the name of the bible. If the "conservatives" had their way, America would be ruled by the law of the bible; a Christian version of shariah law. While I don't align myself with any particular party & tend to be more fiscally conservative, I'm extremely liberal from a social viewpoint. I don't give a shit what religion one chooses to follow, but when you try to force it down my throat; Those morons are impeding social progress & will continue to do so thanks to their book of fairy tales.
Furthermore, Trump is a moron. An egotistical, misogynistic, racist douche with a poor history running his own businesses. The man is hypocrite, a flip flopper & no one really knows what he stands for. Dude just diarrhea's out of his mouth & the morons of the country laps it up. The fact that he may be our next president is terrifying.
Just to let you know in case you or anyone else has been wondering I'm a libertarian. I'm also against interventionism. I say let other nations do what ever the fuck they want over there. Let's not bother those people. I'm extremely relaxed with freedoms.
I say do what you want in life, have the rights to your own life, property and paycheck. Legalize drugs, shut down the DEA, Federal ED, FDA, IRS and kick the United Nations out of America.
P.S. If any one is wondering, I do not support Trump or Hilary. If I was forced with a gun to my head to pick one it would be trump. I really find none of these guy's to appealing.. I guess Ted Cruz? Idk man... Tough shit tho.
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Re: Why don't we have a "libtard" smiley? [Re: Pastywhyte]
#23403884 - 07/02/16 11:48 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Dr.Wongburger said: I live in a society that is not meant to be a perfect or a well-being "always" society. I live in what is meant to be free society. Freedom has consequences. Very bad ones at times!
So why do we need to settle for less? Why not have a society that is not only free but fair? It can be done. Remove the blocks that are in place to safeguard class division and you will have less social strain. Less social strain means less need for police, surveillance, social assistance programs, etc. All the shit that is costing you in taxes, would be far less of a factor if you actually had a level playing field.
It costs less to buy a homeless person a house to live in and get him off the street, than it does in police, emergency, and judicial services. Not only are they no longer a drain socially, but in most situations, they actually start to contribute back.
Government here is meant to be Government they are here to ensure our freedom's and keep us free (not to sound offensive here) but not to baby people- adults.
I don't agree with any current surveillance program's even if it's being legally done but that's another story. I'm all for buying homeless people homes, helping people stay off the streets, loving the shit at of people and giving. My thing is tho I do not believe Government is meant to do it.
Seeing it as other organization would probably take over, I know that sound's funny but it's estimated 70% of people here are Christians. I do not find it abnormal to talk about the subject even if the the other 30% likes to think it is not peripheral to the church or belief system. The norm is to believe in Christianity here, regardless of how people publicly claim to feel about it.
With that said and such large numbers the Church should be passing up some of that money to help people out instead of keeping it all for them selves. I believe that to be biblical.
Anyway's that diving into personal beliefs.
Regardless church or not church organizations or no organization I believe it not to be the Governments job to do those things other than helping the disabled (not threw the income tax tho). There's probably other things you mentioned but damn i'm pretty shot right now man lol. I'm gonna take some kratom.. that will wake me up. hehe 
Thank you tho for being so kind in your response.. I try also..my self.
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Re: Why don't we have a "libtard" smiley? [Re: Dark_Star]
#23403898 - 07/02/16 11:51 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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I'm glad to hear your life is turning out good. Don't think people like me hate you. It's not that at all. People like me just think free market- things other than gov would take over and provide all these things instead of government.
The transition now days.. might be ludicrous. I'm not sure how it would work. Regardless I do know income tax should not be legal. Money for it all should come from some where else. Such as of taxes on items related to the subjects.
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Re: Why don't we have a "libtard" smiley? [Re: Dr.Wongburger]
#23403912 - 07/02/16 11:57 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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What exactly would "free market things" do differently that doesn't involve costing you money?
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Re: Why don't we have a "libtard" smiley? [Re: Dr.Wongburger]
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Dr.Wongburger said: I'm all for buying homeless people homes, helping people stay off the streets, loving the shit at of people and giving. My thing is tho I do not believe Government is meant to do it.
If not the government then who? The people responsible for the mess in the first place? Don't look at them, they are busy trying to figure out how to wring a little more out of the hyperstressed populace and finite planet. The church(s)? Don't hold your breath, they are just as culpable as all the other guilty parties.
It is up to the government. But the problem with most governments is that they no longer see themselves as public servants. Instead they are "leaders". They went ahead and created their own class, unaccountable to most.
Libertarianism is retarded. It might have been a viable thought 200 years ago, but today it's completely out of touch. Unless you want to go off into the woods and live with pre industrial technology, there is no way you can extracate yourself from society. If you live in society or benefit from it, then you need to give back. Otherwise you are a leech on the rest of us who do give back.
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Re: Why don't we have a "libtard" smiley? [Re: idiotek]
#23403970 - 07/02/16 12:15 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Geoff Peterson said: What exactly would "free market things" do differently that doesn't involve costing you money?
Let's be frank here, money is a big deal. Anyone that say's it isn't has never gone without it before. Money is a huge deal.
Free market does not have to do any thing. I personally believe it would tho. It usually mean's better/higher quality every thing, most of the time never bare minimum- excursiveness. If free market did take over it would start replacing every thing government does already, getting people into college, assisted living situations, straight up jobless people, all that stuff.
If Government want's to continue to do the things crooked like they are social wise then they need to get the cash some where else and not from my paycheck.
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Re: Why don't we have a "libtard" smiley? [Re: Dr.Wongburger]
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Literally the only thing the free market is interested in is profits. Thinking that they'll pick up social work is some sort of libertarians delusion
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