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Ezuma
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Re: Ok for shrooms at 12? [Re: Niciskarma]
#23394935 - 06/29/16 05:13 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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IMO most people shouldn't do psychedelics until they're over 18, possibly even later. Some people should never do them period.
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LSDollar


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Re: Ok for shrooms at 12? [Re: Ezuma]
#23395743 - 06/29/16 10:08 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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dixienormous


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Re: Ok for shrooms at 12? [Re: LSDollar]
#23395881 - 06/29/16 10:58 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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He's gonna grow up too fast OP. He'll be in his mid thirtys by the time he's eighteen. 
Seriously though, let him do whatever he wants. It'll speed up his growth if he doesn't kill himself.
He'll probably drop out of school and be nonfunctional in a lot of normal shit routes of society though. Let us just hope he's smarter than average, eh.
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Northerner
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Probably be whacking smack and selling his ass for crack at 15, it's pretty much downhill from there.
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Re: Ok for shrooms at 12? [Re: Northerner]
#23396266 - 06/30/16 03:27 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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A dude told me he ate shrooms when he was 8 or something. He was in the back of his brothers car and he found a bag of mushrooms. He loved mushrooms so he ate them.
His brother asked him if the seen the bag of mushrooms. He said "yea i ate them". and his brother replied "you just ate drugs bro" and he reckons he was tripping for 2 days and it really fucked him up.
But anyway this thread is stupid op is obvious troll! Grow up mate. I would say you are 15-16. Shit maybe you are the 12 year old! wouldnt surprise me
What a stupid troll anyway. Im all for a good troll and all but this is just shit. There is good trolls and there is shit trolls. You are a shit troll so get back to the drawing board. You arent fooling anybody here with shit like that. If your gonna troll atleast make it funny for fuck sakes! Amateur!
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Exotica1
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Re: Ok for shrooms at 12? [Re: Sabnock]
#23398519 - 06/30/16 06:32 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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But the DMT isn't in quantities in the brain to cause effects. A 12yr old tripping is ridiculous in my opinion. What kind of mentor are you? I child cant handle a psychedelic or a bad trip unless he was some precocious prodigy or something. This guy needs banned!
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dixienormous


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Re: Ok for shrooms at 12? [Re: Exotica1]
#23398743 - 06/30/16 07:34 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Exotica1 said: But the DMT isn't in quantities in the brain to cause effects. A 12yr old tripping is ridiculous in my opinion. What kind of mentor are you? I child cant handle a psychedelic or a bad trip unless he was some precocious prodigy or something. This guy needs banned!
I would say most kids handle it fine. In-fact I would say adults would be more prone to issues if they've never tried it.
Don't give it to them but if they're seeking it themselves....
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Sabnock
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Re: Ok for shrooms at 12? [Re: Exotica1]
#23398821 - 06/30/16 07:58 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Exotica1 said: But the DMT isn't in quantities in the brain to cause effects. A 12yr old tripping is ridiculous in my opinion. What kind of mentor are you? I child cant handle a psychedelic or a bad trip unless he was some precocious prodigy or something. This guy needs banned!
Actually, DMT is in trace amounts in the Human body, until the body is given the proper stimuli that tells the body to produce more of the DMT, which will raise the levels of DMT thus having a psychological and physical effect for a few minutes until MAO-A metabolizes it out. PEA is another endogenous compound, and there are others, these are also in trace amounts, until the proper stimuli causes the body to produce a high dose "spurt" of it. These endogenous compounds are there for a reason, and if we knew the proper stimuli that would cause the body to produce more of these trace amines, we could access our endogenous compounds naturally. Plus, DMT being natural/native/endogenous to the body, is different/unique compared to other Psychedelics/Entheogens, it feels more natural to the body, something we're supposed to be able feel/experience. It has a very organic feel to it, like it's just another part of our consciousness.
And i need to be banned? I've been here longer than you and merely voiced my opinion, because for me personally (having Aspergers/High Functioning Autism) i believe Ayahuasca would've been better for me at the age of 12 or 13 rather than me being put on all those anti-psychotics and stimulants, Ayahuasca would've helped me so much more.
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musiclover420
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Re: Ok for shrooms at 12? [Re: Sabnock]
#23398898 - 06/30/16 08:19 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Where is the evidence for dmt being endogenous in the human body? I have heard that claim from tons of people but have only seen anecdotal evidence really.
Years ago I could have swore I found a study where they found trace amounts of DMT in various parts of the body but I have never been able to find it since...
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AuroraBorealis88
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musiclover420 said: Where is the evidence for dmt being endogenous in the human body? I have heard that claim from tons of people but have only seen anecdotal evidence really.
Years ago I could have swore I found a study where they found trace amounts of DMT in various parts of the body but I have never been able to find it since...
The rumor is that it's produced by the brain but it hasn't technically been proven yet. I am fairly certain though that DMT has been proven to occur naturally in human metabolism. I've heard that it's also produced in the liver and the lungs but I don't know if that's proven either.
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Sabnock
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musiclover420 said: Where is the evidence for dmt being endogenous in the human body? I have heard that claim from tons of people but have only seen anecdotal evidence really.
Years ago I could have swore I found a study where they found trace amounts of DMT in various parts of the body but I have never been able to find it since...
It's apparently been found in the lungs, kidneys, and cerebral spinal fluid, but so far the jury is still out on brain/pineal DMT, though they did find DMT in the brains/pineal of rats. DMT being an endogenous compound in the Human body is an established fact, however we still currently do not have the research to back up it's production in the pineal gland of Humans.
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Exotica1
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Re: Ok for shrooms at 12? [Re: Sabnock]
#23399134 - 06/30/16 09:26 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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What exactly does DMT do for the body to produce it?
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Sabnock
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Re: Ok for shrooms at 12? [Re: Exotica1]
#23399719 - 07/01/16 01:34 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Exotica1 said: What exactly does DMT do for the body to produce it?
I'm not sure what you mean here. The way i see it, it's kinda like Adrenaline, you don't go around feeling Adrenaline in your normal daily life unless your fight or flight response is triggered by some sort of stimuli, i'm pretty sure it'd be the same for DMT, as in you do something that triggers the body to produce higher amounts of DMT temporarily, so say perhaps fasting for 40 days, or maybe sleep and light deprivation for 2 weeks or so, idk, but whatever the stimuli, the body spurts out a quick high dose of DMT, probably lasts for a few minutes or so, and then MAO-A metabolizes it out, unless MAO-A is inhibited, in which case it's metabolism might shift over to a CYP liver enzyme, if i remember correctly. But yeah, once the body is given the right stimuli, DMT should be released in a higher amount, and as for DMT's roles in the Human body, we don't yet know, but we can hypothesize/theorize based upon the subjective experiencing of the exogenous form of DMT.
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ExpelErebus
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Re: Ok for shrooms at 12? [Re: Sabnock]
#23399735 - 07/01/16 01:42 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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If DMT is truly produced in the pineal gland I'd assume it's the source of spontaneous epiphanies.
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howsyournaggerdoin
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musiclover420 said: Where is the evidence for dmt being endogenous in the human body? I have heard that claim from tons of people but have only seen anecdotal evidence really.
Years ago I could have swore I found a study where they found trace amounts of DMT in various parts of the body but I have never been able to find it since...
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In addition, 5-MeO-DMT may be synthesized in human pineal and retina, and has been identified in human body fluids including urine, blood, and cerebrospinal fluid [7-11]. 5-MeO-DMT is regarded as an endogenous psychotoxin, and elevated concentrations of 5-MeO-DMT and its analogs in body fluids might be associated with psychotic disorders such as schizophrenic psychosis
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3028383/
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The presence of the potent hallucinogenic psychoactive chemical N,N-dimethyltryptamine (DMT) in the human body has puzzled scientists for decades. Endogenous DMT was investigated in the 1960s and 1970s and it was proposed that DMT was involved in psychosis and schizophrenia. This hypothesis developed from comparisons of the blood and urine of schizophrenic and control subjects. However, much of this research proved inconclusive and conventional thinking has since held that trace levels of DMT, and other endogenous psychoactive tryptamines, are insignificant metabolic byproducts. The recent discovery of a G-protein-coupled, human trace amine receptor has triggered a reappraisal of the role of compounds present in limited concentrations in biological systems. Interestingly enough, DMT and other psychoactive tryptamine hallucinogens elicit a robust response at the trace amine receptor. While it is currently accepted that serotonin 5-HT(2A) receptors play a pivotal role in the activity of hallucinogenic/psychedelic compounds, we propose that the effects induced by exogenous DMT administration, especially at low doses, are due in part to activity at the trace amine receptor. Furthermore, we suggest that endogenous DMT interacts with the TA receptor to produce a calm and relaxed mental state, which may suppress, rather than promote, symptoms of psychosis. This hypothesis may help explain the inconsistency in the early analysis of endogenous DMT in humans. Finally, we propose that amphetamine action at the TA receptor may contribute to the calming effects of amphetamine and related drugs, especially at low doses.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15780487
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SloppyJoseph
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Seriously? Shrooms at 12? You're little brother?
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larry.fisherman
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There are reports of kids having serious complications ingesting psilocybin mushrooms. It's really easy information to attain. The science seems pretty easy. Kids are underdeveloped and these drugs cause CNS depression. You're taking the last few bricks out of an already shitty Jenga tower.
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Northerner
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Nice analogy bro
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Re: Ok for shrooms at 12? [Re: Sabnock]
#23407874 - 07/03/16 05:42 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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DMT is supposedly the reason why we dream at night. Of course there's no proof of it though. Although I found it kind've weird that I used to never have dreams at all, but after smoking DMT one time I now dream vividly every time I sleep. It's almost like it opened up something in my brain.
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KamikazeKush
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Re: Ok for shrooms at 12? [Re: LSDollar]
#23412550 - 07/05/16 03:26 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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mirraco said: I remember my first time I tripped. I was 13 or 14, pretty sure 13 though. I started smoking weed at 13 aswell. 23 now.
Woah, me too. Twinning
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