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horrible mimosa/caapi experience
    #23388354 - 06/27/16 05:00 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

hi,

I had a horrible experience with mimosahuasca (ayahuasca vine + mimosa hostilis) brew ten days ago.

As soon as it kicked in I just kept hearing voices and felt literally like my body was made of rubber it was such a sickly feeling and my heart was gripped in anxiety and fear and I felt myself descending downwards the whole time while entities were mocking me and sneering at me. And it lasted for about 5 hours. I've been having psychic and mental difficulties since then because of it. I feel really sad, because I was sure that ayahuasca and mimosa would become a beneficial spiritual ally for me. But elsewhere on this forum I read that mimosa is completely unloving and aggressive and indifferent to humans, and that it is not compatible with the ayahuasca path. If that is the case, then maybe I could try again in like a month but with chagraponga instead of mimosa. I really wanted Ayahuasca to become a spiritual guide to me, so that I can transcend my fears and sickness and become more spiritually enlightened. Maybe Ayahuasca vine with chagraponga will be a totally different experience. I am going to try that out eventually and hopefully it will be a better experience. My previous experience with vine and mimosa just sent me spiraling downwards into a realm of confusion and fear; I did not receive any healing from it, nor did I learn anything. It just seems like a big garbled mess, like a 5-hour long computer error.
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Re: horrible mimosa/caapi experience [Re: yogashaman21]
    #23388786 - 06/27/16 07:16 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Mimosa has been awesome for me, but terrifying and weird experiences can happen. It's intense, depending on dosage. What was your dosage of Mimosa and Caapi?


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Re: horrible mimosa/caapi experience [Re: Sabnock]
    #23388841 - 06/27/16 07:35 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

I had 5ml of a 30x caapi extract with 7 grams of mimosa

it was terrible and i no longer wish to repeat anything like that

i also drank this caapi extract by itself, without admixture, twice since then, and also had not good experiences.


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Re: horrible mimosa/caapi experience [Re: yogashaman21]
    #23388904 - 06/27/16 07:52 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Idk much about the x-extracts, but i imagine an actual vine brew would probably be better, or you could use Rue (powdered seed encapsulated, or freebase full spectrum extract) which synergizes very well with Mimosa. Also, common dosages of good quality Mimosa root powder are usually 3 to 5 grams, 7 would be a bit overkill. Also perhaps try a more moderate dosage of the Caapi or Rue, and 3 to 5 grams of Mimosa and see how that goes. Large Harmala (Caapi and Rue) dosages can be a bit too strong for a beginner, and large DMT dosages can be a bit too overwhelming/intense for a beginner.


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Re: horrible mimosa/caapi experience [Re: Sabnock]
    #23390275 - 06/28/16 07:46 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

I read elsewhere on the forum that mimosa is not compatible with the ayahuasca path for some reason, even if using the caapi vine. But then again i've had horrible experiences on vine and chacruna as well, so I think I will be leaving these plants alone for the time being.


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Re: horrible mimosa/caapi experience [Re: yogashaman21]
    #23390372 - 06/28/16 08:20 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Lol, people read and think too much about things. Mimosa is just fine for this Ayahuasca path, Ayahuasca is not all fun and sunshine, it's very challenging, can be difficult or overwhelming, terrifying, weird, but it can also be quite awesome. People who use traditional Aya using Caapi and Chacruna, still have a bad time from time to time, no matter what the plant combo, a good strong dosage of Harmalas and DMT will still be intense.

Though if you're looking for a gentler plant, perhaps try Acacia Confusa, can still no doubt be intense, but for me it's definitely been gentler than Mimosa, and with some Lemon Balm in the mix things can be even gentler.


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Re: horrible mimosa/caapi experience [Re: Sabnock]
    #23390387 - 06/28/16 08:26 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

you said rue is a good plant too, correct? So would a freebase harmala extract made from rue, along with mimosa be a good way to work with ayahuasca? Although it wouldn't technically be "ayahuasca?"

I am looking for a high spiritual ego-death like experience but don't know exactly which plants to use and in what amounts. Any advice would be much appreciated, thanks


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Re: horrible mimosa/caapi experience [Re: yogashaman21]
    #23390489 - 06/28/16 09:13 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

mimosa has yuremamine which is a potent maoi inhibitor and clashes very badly with the RIMA's and mild SRRI's in caapi...caapi should only be used with psychotria (hawaiian is the best) or no more than about 6grams of chaliponga. Psychotria and chaliponga have no maoi inhibitors in it, thus no clash with caapi...stick with traditional only. There are numerous bad reports of barks with caapi--and shaman's never use barks with caapi.


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Re: horrible mimosa/caapi experience [Re: tregar]
    #23390538 - 06/28/16 09:29 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

I was planning on using b caapi vine followed by chacruna leaves when i try. I bought chacruna, mimosa and chaliponga so i can try all three in time. Have some rue also but was gna stick with the vine. Never tried it yet though. I read some users not as keen on chaliponga as its different dmt to mimosa and chacruna?


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Re: horrible mimosa/caapi experience [Re: tregar]
    #23390563 - 06/28/16 09:38 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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mimosa has yuremamine which is a potent maoi inhibitor and clashes very badly with the RIMA's and mild SRRI's in caapi...caapi should only be used with psychotria (hawaiian is the best) or no more than about 6grams of chaliponga. Psychotria and chaliponga have no maoi inhibitors in it, thus no clash with caapi...stick with traditional only. There are numerous bad reports of barks with caapi--and shaman's never use barks with caapi.




Actually, this is misinformation. Mimosa goes fine with Rue, or Caapi, or Moclobemide, Yuremamine breaks down due to heat and is only active when ingesting Mimosa root itself or by doing a cold water extraction on Mimosa. Even then though, it still goes fine with RIMA's, no negative interactions at all. In fact, i started out ingesting Mimosa root powder in capsules, and do cold water and room temp water extractions on Mimosa root to make a residue, and have never had an issue.

Also, Chaliponga's dosage range is 5 to 15 grams if i'm not mistaken. And i prefer non-traditional methods, even if i'm using traditional plants. Mixing Caapi with Rue for example can be awesome. Acacia Confusa is also a good plant to work with.

Also, we don't know for sure what Yuremamine actually does, it's theorized to be a potential MAO-A inhibitor, but if it is, it's weak and Rue or Caapi would definitely be a more potent MAO-A inhibitor. Plus people have taken upwards of 30 grams or more of Mimosa by itself to see if the DMT will be activated by Yuremamine, and most have not had good success though some say it works but is short lasting compared to Mimosa with Rue or Caapi, so Yuremamine must not be that strong of an MAO-A inhibitor apparently. But once again, no negative interactions between Yuremamine and Rue, Caapi, or Moclobemide, if there were, i would know about it by now, i've taken this stuff quite a lot since 2012.


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Re: horrible mimosa/caapi experience [Re: yogashaman21]
    #23390566 - 06/28/16 09:40 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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you said rue is a good plant too, correct? So would a freebase harmala extract made from rue, along with mimosa be a good way to work with ayahuasca? Although it wouldn't technically be "ayahuasca?"

I am looking for a high spiritual ego-death like experience but don't know exactly which plants to use and in what amounts. Any advice would be much appreciated, thanks




Yes Rue is definitely a wonderful sacred plant and get's the job done. It's a bit rougher than Caapi though, but if you take the Rue or freebase Rue extract and build up the reverse tolerance, a lot of the roughness cleans up and the nausea/vomiting/diarrhea and rough/sickly body load goes away. Rue goes great with Mimosa or Acacia. But yeah, a full spectrum freebase Rue extract works a good bit better than ingesting Rue seed or tea, the extract feels cleaner, but not as clean as purified Harmalas, yet not as raw as ingesting Rue seed or tea. I mainly use the extract, but here lately since i'm out of extract i've just been encapsulating the Rue seed powder again.


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Re: horrible mimosa/caapi experience [Re: Sabnock]
    #23390647 - 06/28/16 10:06 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Hey, OP. Are you very experienced with psychedelics, or is this your first endeavor into tripping?


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Re: horrible mimosa/caapi experience [Re: healing]
    #23390705 - 06/28/16 10:26 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Hey, OP. Are you very experienced with psychedelics, or is this your first endeavor into tripping?




no i've done lots of psychedelics but I haven't usually had good experiences.


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Re: horrible mimosa/caapi experience [Re: yogashaman21]
    #23390724 - 06/28/16 10:33 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

There are only four factors that can influence a psychedelic experience: the choice of drug, the dosage of that drug, the mindset of the person taking the drug, and the setting in which the drug is being taken.

If you've tried multiple drugs and multiple dosages, but you generally seem to have bad experiences, then that leaves only two factors that could be the culprit.

What kind of environment are taking these drugs in? Are you doing them in a place where you feel comfortable and safe? Do you feel at ease with the people you are with when you take psychedelics. Do you fully trust them, and feel that you can be yourself around them without worrying about what they might think?


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Re: horrible mimosa/caapi experience [Re: healing]
    #23390789 - 06/28/16 11:00 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

I feel like i'm literally trapped, and stuck, in hell. But the good news is that I am going to go on a deep spiritual healing in an awesome place with great people and a very good plant, as soon as I save up some money. So hopefully once I get more healed and in tune with nature and the cosmos and free from ego and mental sickness and psychic difficulties, I will be able to pursue this path of plants as far as it will take me.

yes its true in the past i have used wrong psychedelics with people i didn't trust in bad environments and I feel like I permanently fucked up my entire life because of it and it frustrates me to no end. But eventually I want to get free from this hopefully through aforementioned plant retreat.


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Re: horrible mimosa/caapi experience [Re: Spellbound]
    #23390795 - 06/28/16 11:04 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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I was planning on using b caapi vine followed by chacruna leaves when i try. I bought chacruna, mimosa and chaliponga so i can try all three in time. Have some rue also but was gna stick with the vine. Never tried it yet though. I read some users not as keen on chaliponga as its different dmt to mimosa and chacruna?




stop trying to sabotage my thread


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Re: horrible mimosa/caapi experience [Re: yogashaman21]
    #23390801 - 06/28/16 11:06 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

I Wasnt? Lol


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Re: horrible mimosa/caapi experience [Re: yogashaman21]
    #23390828 - 06/28/16 11:19 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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I feel like i'm literally trapped, and stuck, in hell. But the good news is that I am going to go on a deep spiritual healing in an awesome place with great people and a very good plant, as soon as I save up some money. So hopefully once I get more healed and in tune with nature and the cosmos and free from ego and mental sickness and psychic difficulties, I will be able to pursue this path of plants as far as it will take me.

yes its true in the past i have used wrong psychedelics with people i didn't trust in bad environments and I feel like I permanently fucked up my entire life because of it and it frustrates me to no end. But eventually I want to get free from this hopefully through aforementioned plant retreat.




If your mindset is the problem, no amount of tripping is going to help that. It doesn't matter what you take, how much you take, where you are, or who you're with, if your mindset is causing you to have bad trips, tripping isn't going to change that. You'd just be banging your head against a wall.

There are a lot of ways to change your mindset. Meditation, counseling, support groups, books. Basically you need to learn more about who you are and grow as a person. Sometimes all it takes is taking a long break from doing drugs.


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Re: horrible mimosa/caapi experience [Re: yogashaman21]
    #23390851 - 06/28/16 11:30 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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I was planning on using b caapi vine followed by chacruna leaves when i try. I bought chacruna, mimosa and chaliponga so i can try all three in time. Have some rue also but was gna stick with the vine. Never tried it yet though. I read some users not as keen on chaliponga as its different dmt to mimosa and chacruna?




stop trying to sabotage my thread




This is why you have bad trips buddy.


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Re: horrible mimosa/caapi experience [Re: healing]
    #23390857 - 06/28/16 11:32 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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yogashaman21 said:
I feel like i'm literally trapped, and stuck, in hell. But the good news is that I am going to go on a deep spiritual healing in an awesome place with great people and a very good plant, as soon as I save up some money. So hopefully once I get more healed and in tune with nature and the cosmos and free from ego and mental sickness and psychic difficulties, I will be able to pursue this path of plants as far as it will take me.

yes its true in the past i have used wrong psychedelics with people i didn't trust in bad environments and I feel like I permanently fucked up my entire life because of it and it frustrates me to no end. But eventually I want to get free from this hopefully through aforementioned plant retreat.




If your mindset is the problem, no amount of tripping is going to help that. It doesn't matter what you take, how much you take, where you are, or who you're with, if your mindset is causing you to have bad trips, tripping isn't going to change that. You'd just be banging your head against a wall.

There are a lot of ways to change your mindset. Meditation, counseling, support groups, books. Basically you need to learn more about who you are and grow as a person. Sometimes all it takes is taking a long break from doing drugs.




I disagree. I was told that I could heal totally and move beyond fear and sadness and sickness and experience healing and also reach a higher level enlightenment by doing an intensive plant diet. Why should I just give up and not try? I don't think that meditation works for everyone; it certainly doesn't work for me, and neither does counseling or support groups. I refuse to stay stuck like this, and I will indeed seek alternate healing from this.


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