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Signeg


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Re: ID Cape Town psilocybe [Re: Heyowana]
#23390242 - 06/28/16 07:37 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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I'm going with Psilocybe cyanescens, such a similar species to subaeruginosa though. Nice finds.
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leschampignons
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Re: ID Cape Town psilocybe [Re: Signeg]
#23391267 - 06/28/16 02:31 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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These look like ovoids to me
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myceliups
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leschampignons said: These look like ovoids to me 
I can see that
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inski
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Re: ID Cape Town psilocybe [Re: myceliups]
#23392695 - 06/28/16 11:42 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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This is something from Section Cyanescens, I agree with Alan, probably P. cyanescens.
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fungimunch
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Re: ID Cape Town psilocybe [Re: inski]
#23394586 - 06/29/16 03:15 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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p.cayn would be nice, hope it spreads more around the country. we've had a odd autumn/winter up my side with hot dry conditions, then wet humid and cold then back to warm windy and so on, recently got pretty cold, more coming over weekned. temp in my wooden house at nigh has drop to 10 deg C on many occasions, in day 17 for while, so much colder outside well least in my location. except on those warm dry days went up plenty.. what a turn around. didn't see any a.muscaria this year but found tons of boletes in certain areas, and pine rings, not as much russulas as other years. found lots big cow boletes and cepe's but baboons break cap off and just takes the stems, least got a couple unharmed.. a print of any kind be great can even make a swap if want, doesnt need be clean, have made clean cultures from mushrooms that came to me in weirdest of ways haha fun times... best i can do for now to id if get sample is can get spore size and shape , and maybe some info off gills if can get them to grow if no fresher samples, or dry ones. cant take pics though my microscope on old side and no adapter type object to connect camera and scope will, can try to make a make shift device.
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Alan Rockefeller
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leschampignons said: These look like ovoids to me 
No need to guess, I'll be sequencing this one. Probably not until October though, I am about to go to Mexico for 3 - 4 months.
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knarkkorven
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Nice find!
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Re: ID Cape Town psilocybe [Re: 0.01]
#23401597 - 07/01/16 04:11 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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0.01 said: Yes I'm also doubtful they're p.subaeruginascens - they're overall much smaller and no annulus zone - although the strong annulus zone in the pics on Shrines post from the above link does make me think that what he found was more likely p.cubensis and not p.subaeruginascens. I still think they could be p.cyanescens. They also bear some similarity to the new species found in Germany recently, p.germanica. http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/enhanced/figures/doi/10.1002/dta.1795#figure-viewer-dta1795-fig-0002
I guess the only way to tell for sure would be lab analysis. Either way it's quite exciting to have found these!
went to look at them and went to see a lot of newer finds,new species. kinda amazing how every year or other year and even a more than one in a year new species just seem to pop up, same with the animals new species every other year. not sure about plants though but sure them to , makes you wonder sometimes if thy have been out there all along and just overlooked or was given other name. some probably fall under that category. maybe it is new we are seeing evolution of species taking place as thy also are trying to adapt and survive the ever changing earth.
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Yes I guess we'll have to wait until Alan gets back in October to know for certain what these are...
I went back to the same spot today and found more. They seem to be quite well established over an area of about 50m running down the edge of the forest. I took a few more pictures and also managed to get some pictures of spores from under the microscope:

Edited by 0.01 (07/04/16 05:22 AM)
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inski
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Re: ID Cape Town psilocybe [Re: 0.01]
#23408488 - 07/03/16 09:14 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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The shape of those spores is a good match with P. cyanescens
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Re: ID Cape Town psilocybe [Re: inski]
#23410350 - 07/04/16 01:10 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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some definitely have the look. cap color and wavy margin. nice spore pics look much better that others, probably the cam zoom that also made the difference there. sure everyone can start puzzling it till allan comes back. keep our brains active, gain knowledge in process. gona be awesome find for SA if it is p.cyan.
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Re: ID Cape Town psilocybe [Re: fungimunch]
#23410692 - 07/04/16 03:00 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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GREAT FINDS!!!
Lovely pics,and the colors also.....
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Re: ID Cape Town psilocybe [Re: bluelou]
#23412005 - 07/04/16 09:50 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Oh yeah, I'll be watching this one.
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Re: ID Cape Town psilocybe [Re: Hashed]
#23416229 - 07/06/16 07:56 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Love the blue stems and the staining around the cap edge. Colour of the caps and habitat reminds me of the wavy capped P.subaeruginosa that are so prevalent here in NSW. Keep those beautiful pics coming.
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Re: ID Cape Town psilocybe [Re: Heyowana]
#23417148 - 07/06/16 02:33 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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just for comparison for spore pics above a few pics of web

p.cayn

p.cayn
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Re: ID Cape Town psilocybe [Re: fungimunch]
#23417209 - 07/06/16 02:47 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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the cell walls if i am using correct term in 0.01's spore pics look very thick. thicker than other ones in the pics, can environment also influence it or might be just the type scope/cam view?
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Re: ID Cape Town psilocybe [Re: fungimunch]
#23420024 - 07/07/16 11:59 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Thanks fungimunch for the input - and to everyone else who has given comments, opinions and theories...it's much appreciated. This mystery so far has been a good learning experience for me and loads of fun too.
Looking at the comparisons of the spore pics fungimunch sent, to me they look most similar to ovoids, but also cyans in some ways...but I've never tried to identify by spores before so could be dead wrong. Also, the microscope I'm using is very old (an O. Himmler circa 1910), with an old Sony cybershot over the eyepiece, so the thickness of the 'cell walls' could just be an exaggeration or some light aberration. For what it's worth here is another pic of the spores and some pretty blurry cystidia (I think):

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Quote:
Alan Rockefeller said:
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leschampignons said: These look like ovoids to me 
No need to guess, I'll be sequencing this one. Probably not until October though, I am about to go to Mexico for 3 - 4 months.

These are really interesting for sure. Excited to see results!
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Re: ID Cape Town psilocybe [Re: 0.01]
#23420456 - 07/07/16 02:53 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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..cool pleasure 0.001 i also still learning about the microscopy.this inspires me to wane learn more and aid in situations like this-more ones aides the more one learns. have had my scope couple years and used on and off looking at spores and things, always had a battle to measure things.seemed very difficult, didn't know about micrometers, calibration. only got internet recently at home can learn better sucks on a phone. pc better. just having trouble getting micrometers, ocular and stage. heard of a tech of using a smartphone as a micrometer, have seen some info, but not getting it at moment, seems very technical. would like to understand it more in future. been growing gourmets for couple years so microscopy next on list.
at at time i also was leaning towards the ovoid, but thy more subglobose some have those edges that stand out in their width, hard to get all shape names or chart with all shapes and names or something close to it, have come across some odd ones. more leaning to cayn and subs, also noted that cayn is listed as been found in SA as on the old location file. its hard with spore pics,different magnification or objectives can probably alter look a bit, most of the one i posted was 1000x.
is that the pleurocystidia in last pics? that last one look nice. that dark nipple might be lihgt/shadow effect? have seen i think something like that somewhere.
gona make a nice description as well. will in coming weeks post my find and pics of experiments.
any one out there advice on measuring without micrometer?
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Alan Rockefeller
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Re: ID Cape Town psilocybe [Re: fungimunch]
#23423867 - 07/08/16 02:48 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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I'd just get a micrometer, they are like $10 on ebay or amazon. Sometimes I mount the spores on the micrometer slide, though if the magnification is consistent you can just take a photo of it and measure digitally.
I have thought about ghetto DIY micrometers in the past, but given the low cost of good ones it doesn't seem worth it to mess around with them. Red blood cells are around 8 micrometers but they can vary.
My micrometer was $10 from ebay and I checked it against an expensive Zeiss micrometer and found that it was extremely accurate.
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