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Re: Interesting new psilocybe find? [Re: knarkkorven]
    #23544590 - 08/15/16 04:42 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Hashed you kinda went out on a limb volunteering Adden for the stabilization of a wild find. That is a lot of fairly tedious work and despite loads of F2 possibility there is also a lot of dissapointment involved in projects like that. Pretty much why despite loads of wild genetics being distributed all the time, very few ever go anywhere. I know I wouldn't appreciate someone volunteering me for a job like that, no matter the intent with which it may have been done.




Okay, I had positive intent though. :smile:

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All this egoism and bullshit about inventing a strain or a name stinks! :thumbdown::thumbdown:

The strain name is it's origin and I hope the community growing it will call it texas woodchip-strain or whatever and you cry babies can go f*** yourself.




Pffttttt, shut it, you are full of it, how is it egotistical to want to invent a var. name from unique wild genetics?
:dafuq:

It's not going to be very egotistical putting in the hard work and giving them out by the hundreds, having it circulate and being ingested far and wide, helping people and destroying egos, fuck an egotistical asshole.
I'm doing this because I want another legit var. in circulation with a pure genetic line, originating from a single wild woodchip cube.

Just going to be a well documented contribution to the mycology community, you are a hater, for what. :thumbdown:


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Re: Interesting new psilocybe find? [Re: Hashed] * 5
    #23544713 - 08/15/16 05:23 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Ok guys the whole strain thing is something i want to spread to the mushroom community also but i have one friend who i let know where my spot is. Now i think i have some special genes here no dobt because its crazy the wsy these things are growing on wood. I talking monster caps. Ill post some below. Anyway the day i showed him my spot and my record breaker i found there that was 7 and a half inches across and weighs 330 grams fresh i told him from day one i want to have my own strain since this is my find and its something special and he showed no interest in the idea.  I feel i have the right to name it at least. I have made arrangements to clone a specimen to agar next week. So anyways i see a post last night where he is asking random people who wants to isolate the strain from my spot i showed him after telling him my plan from day one.he was giving me credit but he already named it and is just giving it away. Im like wtf your not naming shit you didn't find it. Im i wrong for feeling this way. I feel like he is stealing from me




This has been bothering me a lot. You said you want to share "your" ""strain"" with the mushroom community. You then said your friend was giving you credit for the strain. Dude, you found some big cubes in wood chips. You are assuming you found a new strain. Jumping to a conclusion which is highly unlikely and self absorbed. From day one you always said you always wanted to name a strain. Someone correct me if I am wrong; Terrance McKenna said it was most selfish and to want to discover a new species just to name it after yourself. R&R 300? Very creative. Lastly, you said you feel like your friend is stealing from you. Although you said he was giving you credit. I feel like you are stealing from the Earth and trying to put your name on something that is far more important than your motives. Nice finds. Just leave it at that. You really can't just be like oh these are huge and growing in wood chips; I better name these!
You have a record monster ego.


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Re: Interesting new psilocybe find? [Re: Hashed]
    #23544752 - 08/15/16 05:35 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Those Texan cubes in that woodchipped area are pretty amazing.. :thumbup: One thing I'd like to remind you guys of is that the cubes that I found were not only growing on straight woodchip, but also in the middle of winter. While the winter temps didn't reach frost point, it is still very unusual for cubensis fruits to form given those two conditions together. If it were just one or the other then it wouldn't be so unusual. It's the combination of these two conditions that leads me to think that there might be unique genetics.

What season were those cubes found in Texas robidoe?


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Re: Interesting new psilocybe find? [Re: PsilocybeHuman]
    #23544895 - 08/15/16 06:12 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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robidoe said:
Ok guys the whole strain thing is something i want to spread to the mushroom community also but i have one friend who i let know where my spot is. Now i think i have some special genes here no dobt because its crazy the wsy these things are growing on wood. I talking monster caps. Ill post some below. Anyway the day i showed him my spot and my record breaker i found there that was 7 and a half inches across and weighs 330 grams fresh i told him from day one i want to have my own strain since this is my find and its something special and he showed no interest in the idea.  I feel i have the right to name it at least. I have made arrangements to clone a specimen to agar next week. So anyways i see a post last night where he is asking random people who wants to isolate the strain from my spot i showed him after telling him my plan from day one.he was giving me credit but he already named it and is just giving it away. Im like wtf your not naming shit you didn't find it. Im i wrong for feeling this way. I feel like he is stealing from me




This has been bothering me a lot. You said you want to share "your" ""strain"" with the mushroom community. You then said your friend was giving you credit for the strain. Dude, you found some big cubes in wood chips. You are assuming you found a new strain. Jumping to a conclusion which is highly unlikely and self absorbed. From day one you always said you always wanted to name a strain. Someone correct me if I am wrong; Terrance McKenna said it was most selfish and to want to discover a new species just to name it after yourself. R&R 300? Very creative. Lastly, you said you feel like your friend is stealing from you. Although you said he was giving you credit. I feel like you are stealing from the Earth and trying to put your name on something that is far more important than your motives. Nice finds. Just leave it at that. You really can't just be like oh these are huge and growing in wood chips; I better name these!
You have a record monster ego.



I dont want my name in it. Thats the whole deal. R&R 330 has my name it. I dont even have a name for it yet. That was all his doing


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Re: Interesting new psilocybe find? [Re: Subsistence]
    #23544907 - 08/15/16 06:15 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

About two or three mounths ago
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Those Texan cubes in that woodchipped area are pretty amazing.. :thumbup: One thing I'd like to remind you guys of is that the cubes that I found were not only growing on straight woodchip, but also in the middle of winter. While the winter temps didn't reach frost point, it is still very unusual for cubensis fruits to form given those two conditions together. If it were just one or the other then it wouldn't be so unusual. It's the combination of these two conditions that leads me to think that there might be unique genetics.

What season were those cubes found in Texas robidoe?




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Re: Interesting new psilocybe find? [Re: PsilocybeHuman]
    #23544913 - 08/15/16 06:17 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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PsilocybeHuman said:
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robidoe said:
Ok guys the whole strain thing is something i want to spread to the mushroom community also but i have one friend who i let know where my spot is. Now i think i have some special genes here no dobt because its crazy the wsy these things are growing on wood. I talking monster caps. Ill post some below. Anyway the day i showed him my spot and my record breaker i found there that was 7 and a half inches across and weighs 330 grams fresh i told him from day one i want to have my own strain since this is my find and its something special and he showed no interest in the idea.  I feel i have the right to name it at least. I have made arrangements to clone a specimen to agar next week. So anyways i see a post last night where he is asking random people who wants to isolate the strain from my spot i showed him after telling him my plan from day one.he was giving me credit but he already named it and is just giving it away. Im like wtf your not naming shit you didn't find it. Im i wrong for feeling this way. I feel like he is stealing from me




This has been bothering me a lot. You said you want to share "your" ""strain"" with the mushroom community. You then said your friend was giving you credit for the strain. Dude, you found some big cubes in wood chips. You are assuming you found a new strain. Jumping to a conclusion which is highly unlikely and self absorbed. From day one you always said you always wanted to name a strain. Someone correct me if I am wrong; Terrance McKenna said it was most selfish and to want to discover a new species just to name it after yourself. R&R 300? Very creative. Lastly, you said you feel like your friend is stealing from you. Although you said he was giving you credit. I feel like you are stealing from the Earth and trying to put your name on something that is far more important than your motives. Nice finds. Just leave it at that. You really can't just be like oh these are huge and growing in wood chips; I better name these!
You have a record monster ego.




What you mean "assuming he found a new strain" You are talking outta ya ass.
Shut it, you can go away.
No shit, if you find a wild cube and stabilize it, you just created a new variety, put you name on it, your find, your name, have it circulate, destroying egos in the process, making the world a better place, how is that egotistical?

Are mycologists who name new species "egotistical"
Was inski "egotistical" when he named P. subsecotioides.

How the heck is that egotistical, hard work and your own var. name, egotistical? Just go away.
That is just like stating mycologists who create species names are egotistical.

You are full of crap, stating that finding wild cubes and wanting to stabilize them and put your var. name on it is egotistical, seriously, just shut it.
If anything you are egotistical for stating that is egotistical, pipe down, shut it.

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One thing I'd like to remind you guys of is that the cubes that I found were not only growing on straight woodchip, but also in the middle of winter. While the winter temps didn't reach frost point, it is still very unusual for cubensis fruits to form given those two conditions together.



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Re: Interesting new psilocybe find? [Re: Hashed]
    #23544957 - 08/15/16 06:30 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

robidoe's find, it should have been robidoe's rights, simple as that.

You should have, however, kept the patch between you and the wife only, and gotten a trusted mycologist to stabilize it.
But you can not change the past, so you will have to make peace with this situation.

To state that is egotistical is foolish, fuck the haters. :gangsta:


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Re: Interesting new psilocybe find? [Re: Hashed] * 1
    #23544960 - 08/15/16 06:30 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: Interesting new psilocybe find? [Re: doctorghosty]
    #23545020 - 08/15/16 06:49 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

BRING THE MOTHERFUCKING HATE!!!!!!!!
AND I'LL DESTROY YOUR HATING AS EGO.
:pimp:
Hate magnet at your service. :hatsoff:
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Re: Interesting new psilocybe find? [Re: Hashed]
    #23545036 - 08/15/16 06:55 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Jokes aside, it's not egotistical at all, whoever says it's egotistical tells you alot about their character, it's the ones who say it's egotistical that are haters and egotistical themselves. :lmafo:


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Re: Interesting new psilocybe find? [Re: Hashed]
    #23545044 - 08/15/16 06:59 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Are all parents egotistical for naming their children?

To many big ego people here using reverse egotism tactics.
Very annoying indeed.


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Re: Interesting new psilocybe find? [Re: Hashed]
    #23545049 - 08/15/16 07:00 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Hashed, i like you lol


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Re: Interesting new psilocybe find? [Re: robidoe]
    #23545065 - 08/15/16 07:08 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Hashed, i like you lol



Word. :hatsoff:
See, robidoe knows wassup, first person other than Subsistence to acknowledge the importance of the "pure concept", excellent. :mrburns:
Your woodchip cube patch is amazing and I hope you get this whole mess sorted out, and I hope we get a variety from them under a name of your choosing!


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Re: Interesting new psilocybe find? [Re: robidoe] * 1
    #23545070 - 08/15/16 07:10 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I don't think it's egotistical but I do think it's pretty premature. Maybe figure out what you actually have before you start worrying about naming rights. Not hating or anything, and I honestly think it's a potentially fascinating phenotype and I hope it turns out to be as awesome as it seems like it could be, but all this speculation on what you might call it is a bit 'cart before the horse'... just my two cents.


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Re: Interesting new psilocybe find? [Re: doctorghosty]
    #23545119 - 08/15/16 07:28 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

It's not premature, doctor.
Subsistence and I have already named it, and decided that no one else ever gets spores from Subsistence's wild woodchip cube patch in the interest of keeping our genetic line pure and unique.
That is that part done and dusted.

Second thing is second, once I receive the print, I write out a whole growlog post about the whole entire back story so far and plans for the future.
Then after that, I get microscope spore pictures done, the works.

Then we find out if they are actually cubes or not.

They are most likely cubes, so yeah, after we get the microscope spore pictures and shit done, then it's time for me to get to work, spawning the myc to both woodchips and typical cube cult substrates like BRF cakes and CVG monos, ect...

Then once I get fruit, Substance and I agree upon what genetics we like, then I begin my stabilization and domestication journey.
If they do take both woodchips AND typical cube cult substrates, there will be a woodchip version AND a typical cube cult substrate version!

Me and shroom head friends ingest every generation and regularly test for potency, and report back, all that shit.

BUT, just in case the aesthetics we like happen to be bunk, I will still have the wild print on back up, always using as little spores as possible at a time, just in case, and like pasty said, never afraid to go back if it is not perfect.

And once I have perfected it, we celebrate with a 100 print give away in the market place! :cool:


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Re: Interesting new psilocybe find? [Re: doctorghosty] * 1
    #23545120 - 08/15/16 07:29 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I'm gonna agree with the Dr here. You have no idea what you have or if its gonna even end up as anything special. If you don't care about it being something special and just want it out in the community then name it what you wish, it will be forgotten in a year. If you want it to be something special (like a wood eating cube assuming of course that's what's at play here and is a trait easily stabilized not to mention desireable), a year from now you might not even be close to done.


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Re: Interesting new psilocybe find? [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #23545164 - 08/15/16 07:53 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I know exactly what I'm in for, that's for cretain. :cool:

In actuality, it's just all speculation so far, nothing is concrete until it's actually happened.

You can say it will be forgotten in a year, you can say it will become the most popular cube variety, you can say it is going to take me a year, you can say it is going to take me 5 years, who knows.

One thing I know for sure is that I'm the ideal candidate to take on this task, because the person who gives a shit the most, is me.

Once I receive the print and get to work, that speculation with be dissolved and actual results shall replace them.

We are assuming this is a cube here, but we don't know for sure.
Once I get that print, then we will find out for sure, that is the first thing that must be done.

First thing is first, determine what this actually is.
After that, regardless of what it is, un-described wood lover, or mere cube that just happened to fruit on woodchips, it's time to get to work. :pimp:

If it is, however, an un-described wood lover, Subsistence will be deciding the binomial name for it, because he found it, it will be his choice entirely if he want to make up the binomial name himself, or both of us decide on one, if this just happens to be an un-described species, that is.


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Re: Interesting new psilocybe find? [Re: Hashed] * 2
    #23545181 - 08/15/16 07:59 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

It's not as simple as all that, you'd also have to have an article published in a peer-reviewed scientific journal.


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Re: Interesting new psilocybe find? [Re: doctorghosty]
    #23545210 - 08/15/16 08:06 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Perhaps, if it is a new species it can be like inski's P. subsecotioides, under the radar. :lmafo:


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Re: Interesting new psilocybe find? [Re: Hashed]
    #23545245 - 08/15/16 08:16 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I really don't want to come off like a naysayer, just having a dialogue with y'all about it. I think it's a really awesome find & can't wait to see what happens with it :thumbup:


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