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Xevtious
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First timer, got a few questions about whats growing in my FC (pics attached)
#23385642 - 06/26/16 08:51 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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So, I got 24 BRF cakes in the FC for a little over 2 weeks now. I got a couple promising cakes, but a lot of questions and doubt surrounding most of them. FC stays +/-71°F, 99%RH, 12h of light per day.
I've been searching the forums looking for answers with nothing conclusive, so I thought I'd just show the community what I've got here.
 Overhead shot of the FC
 Funky fresh semi-mutant looking mushy, it started its growth in the bottom of the cake against the jar kid which is probably why it's deformed. If someone knows something I don't, please say so.

 No idea what's going on here, some of them have heads forming like pins, but the stipes are all cracked looking and strange.. Thoughts?? Are these aborts?
 Here's my nicest and strongest looking cluster.
So, any thoughts you might have on what's up here would be so great. Why do y'all think my other cakes are taking so long to get started? Thanks in advance! Love yall!
-------------------- My name is Xev, and I am a newb. No matter how much research I think I've done, I don't know better than tek writers. I am not a mycologist. I will follow the tek and not deviate. There is no such thing as "good enough". I will do it right or I will not do it at all.
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Re: First timer, got a few questions about whats growing in my FC (pics attached) [Re: Xevtious]
#23385689 - 06/26/16 09:06 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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What type are you growing? Genetics play a big role in mutants and deformities. That's why we clone and do agar transfers.
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Re: First timer, got a few questions about whats growing in my FC (pics attached) [Re: CosmoKramer]
#23385756 - 06/26/16 09:25 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Almost looks like *Lencacillium fungicola. But based on how the other fruits that shit looks dry as hell. How often do you mist? If its not dry as hell then it definitely is Lencacillium.
Your FC is a poor design. A properly constructed SGFC provides too much FAE for Lencacillium to get a foothold.
*Used to be verticillium fungicola. Has been reclassified.
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Re: First timer, got a few questions about whats growing in my FC (pics attached) [Re: CosmoKramer]
#23385770 - 06/26/16 09:27 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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After your cakes were 100% colonized, did you give them time to consolidate? That could explain why it's taken them nearly 2 weeks to start fruiting.
And like CosmoKramer said sub strain and genetics are a huge factor especially when using a multi-spore solution.
Other than that as long as you keep them hydrated by lightly misting, give them plenty of fresh air exchange by fanning and 12 hours of daytime light in the 6500K spectrum, all you need now is sweet sweet patience.
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Re: First timer, got a few questions about whats growing in my FC (pics attached) [Re: Pastywhyte]
#23385790 - 06/26/16 09:31 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Pastywhyte said: *Used to be verticillium fungicola. Has been reclassified.
So I googled it before reading the whole post.. My reaction was oh pasty you sly bastard, and then I read this part and facepalmed myself lol.
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Re: First timer, got a few questions about whats growing in my FC (pics attached) [Re: Mad Season]
#23385811 - 06/26/16 09:39 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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I agree your pins shouldn't be cracking like that with proper mist/fan routine in sgfc's. It could be that it's bacteria related like pasty mentioned but they are dry.
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Re: First timer, got a few questions about whats growing in my FC (pics attached) [Re: CosmoKramer]
#23385845 - 06/26/16 09:51 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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CosmoKramer said: I agree your pins shouldn't be cracking like that with proper mist/fan routine in sgfc's. It could be that it's bacteria related like pasty mentioned but they are dry.
Lencacillium fungicola is a white mold.
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Re: First timer, got a few questions about whats growing in my FC (pics attached) [Re: CosmoKramer]
#23385855 - 06/26/16 09:53 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Noted on the too dry, I've been misting 2 times a day due to my work schedule but I'll endeavor to pick that up to 4 or so. I didn't think its be so detrimental so Dr my RH is at a stable 99%. How often can/should I mist them?
The strain is Golden Teachers, for those that were asking. I let them consolidate for 1 week prior to birthing, maybe 5 jars only had 5 days considation.
My FC design is a little makeshift, I decided against a proper SGFC because I read on here that they would not work inside a closet. Whether or not that's right or wrong idk, but that was my reasoning at the time.
-------------------- My name is Xev, and I am a newb. No matter how much research I think I've done, I don't know better than tek writers. I am not a mycologist. I will follow the tek and not deviate. There is no such thing as "good enough". I will do it right or I will not do it at all.
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Re: First timer, got a few questions about whats growing in my FC (pics attached) [Re: Xevtious] 1
#23385881 - 06/26/16 09:59 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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You would have been better off to find out what would work inside a closet rather than wing it. Whatever is making you think that chamber is at 99% RH is lying to you. 99% RH is not desired anyways, and if you did have 99% RH, your shit would look saturated and soggy. I can see with my eyes that it's dry. Is there even holes in the bottom? The perlite can't work without holes in the bottom.
FYI a good range for humidity in a chamber is 65% - 90% humidity. Best if it fluctuates.
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Re: First timer, got a few questions about whats growing in my FC (pics attached) [Re: Pastywhyte]
#23385946 - 06/26/16 10:22 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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so, the standing water dropplets on the sides and lid of the chamber at all times Don't confirm a very high humidity?
-------------------- My name is Xev, and I am a newb. No matter how much research I think I've done, I don't know better than tek writers. I am not a mycologist. I will follow the tek and not deviate. There is no such thing as "good enough". I will do it right or I will not do it at all.
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Re: First timer, got a few questions about whats growing in my FC (pics attached) [Re: Xevtious]
#23385985 - 06/26/16 10:33 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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condensation occurs only when you have different temps and humidity between the outside and inside. That won't reflect the real humidity level of your cakes or whatever it is..
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Edited by CosmoKramer (06/26/16 11:05 PM)
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Re: First timer, got a few questions about whats growing in my FC (pics attached) [Re: CosmoKramer]
#23386070 - 06/26/16 11:04 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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It is my understanding that the evaporation of the water droplets usually from lightly misting should give you the proper RH, that's considering having holes on all 6 sides of your FC.
I had some dry and I mean f'ng dry ass cakes once and injected them via syringe with just a couple cc's of spring water and believe it or not it did wonders.
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Re: First timer, got a few questions about whats growing in my FC (pics attached) [Re: Cubensiscat]
#23387501 - 06/27/16 11:52 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Cubensiscat said: It is my understanding that the evaporation of the water droplets usually from lightly misting should give you the proper RH, that's considering having holes on all 6 sides of your FC.
I had some dry and I mean f'ng dry ass cakes once and injected them via syringe with just a couple cc's of spring water and believe it or not it did wonders.
I might have to try that on a couple cakes that aint doing shit and see what happens lol. So, what, 2 CC filtered water straight through the top into the middle of the cake?
-------------------- My name is Xev, and I am a newb. No matter how much research I think I've done, I don't know better than tek writers. I am not a mycologist. I will follow the tek and not deviate. There is no such thing as "good enough". I will do it right or I will not do it at all.
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Re: First timer, got a few questions about whats growing in my FC (pics attached) [Re: Xevtious]
#23387570 - 06/27/16 12:14 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Xevtious said: so, the standing water dropplets on the sides and lid of the chamber at all times Don't confirm a very high humidity?
Condensation and humidity are two different things. You can have 60% humidity and still have condensation built on the sides of the bin if there is a heat difference inside and out your chamber. Honestly I don't mean to be a sgfc stickler but it works. Plain and simple. Closet or not you'll still be getting more FAE than this thing is getting atm. Mist your cakes pins and all and when your cakes start to dry out mist again. As long as your misting enough and you've rolled your cakes don't worry yourself over the humidity of your fc
Edit: there's a hair in your fc on one of your cakes
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Re: First timer, got a few questions about whats growing in my FC (pics attached) [Re: Xevtious]
#23387579 - 06/27/16 12:18 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Xevtious said:
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Cubensiscat said: It is my understanding that the evaporation of the water droplets usually from lightly misting should give you the proper RH, that's considering having holes on all 6 sides of your FC.
I had some dry and I mean f'ng dry ass cakes once and injected them via syringe with just a couple cc's of spring water and believe it or not it did wonders.
I might have to try that on a couple cakes that aint doing shit and see what happens lol. So, what, 2 CC filtered water straight through the top into the middle of the cake?
If the cakes are dry you would be better off setting them in saucers or lids that hold water and bottom watering the cakes.
Injecting cakes is just asking for problems.
Misting, by itself, will not give you the proper RH you need. It also needs to fluctuate vs. remaining at a constant level. A properly built SGFC and wet/damp perlite, and properly hydrated cakes is what creates the humidity... 
I'd like to know where some people come up with some of this info & misinfo that gets posted all the time...
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Edited by FreeWorldOrder (06/27/16 12:20 PM)
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Re: First timer, got a few questions about whats growing in my FC (pics attached) [Re: FreeWorldOrder]
#23387594 - 06/27/16 12:27 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Bottom watering 24 cakes in that fashion would be practically impossible in the space I have available.
So would a series a holes along the side, as close to the bottom of the perlite as possible, help me? I don't have the finances at the time to build a stand to make use of holes on the bottom, and I also don't want to damage my carpet.
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Re: First timer, got a few questions about whats growing in my FC (pics attached) [Re: Xevtious]
#23387608 - 06/27/16 12:32 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Holes on all six sides man. Prop up the sgfc on 4 of the jars you used for your cakes. The perlite holds the moisture quite well. I haven't experienced any drips from the bottom of my fc but if you wanna be safe put a layer of cling film on the floor under your fc or something
Edit: my sgfc setup Basically inside a closet as well. Still getting plenty of FAE

Pay no mind to the heat pad. Its not plugged in and is not reccomended.. before anyone gives me shit about it
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Re: First timer, got a few questions about whats growing in my FC (pics attached) [Re: Xevtious]
#23387648 - 06/27/16 12:51 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Xevtious said: Bottom watering 24 cakes in that fashion would be practically impossible in the space I have available.
So would a series a holes along the side, as close to the bottom of the perlite as possible, help me? I don't have the finances at the time to build a stand to make use of holes on the bottom, and I also don't want to damage my carpet.
lol... oh shit man I just noticed...
The answer to your question is NO.
You need a built to spec SGFC for fruiting cakes. At least if you want the proper environment and good results.
I am not surprised you are having troubles fruiting with that sealed box... 
SGFC = A clear tote with 1/4" holes in a grid pattern (2 inches apart)on ALL 6 SIDES of chamber, about 5 inches of wet/damp perlite, elevate the FC with jars, soup cans, whatever you can find to get it up so air can flow up through the damp perlite.... 
Lighting = 6500K CFL 12 hours on, 12 hours off.
It also a good idea to have about a foot of open space all the way around the chamber to allow for unimpeded air flow.
If you do these very simple things the difference in your success will be astronomical... a properly built SGFC is tried and true...plain and simple.
Not much room for debate as far as SGFC goes...
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Edited by FreeWorldOrder (06/27/16 01:10 PM)
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Re: First timer, got a few questions about whats growing in my FC (pics attached) [Re: FreeWorldOrder]
#23387734 - 06/27/16 01:23 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Alright this sounds like it's going to be a royal pain.. I don't really have anywhere to put my cakes while I rebuild my fruiting chamber and super tight on space and finances. I'll be buying another tote and more perlite on Friday I guess... I'm not wild about the prospect of stacking 2 SGFC in my closet but its better than losing my crop lol.
Just out of curiousity, how was the FC done before the SGFC became a thing? I gotta do SOMETHING until Friday when I can fix my shit..
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Re: First timer, got a few questions about whats growing in my FC (pics attached) [Re: Xevtious]
#23387822 - 06/27/16 01:55 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Shouldn't be a pain at all.
Actually it is easy as hell....lol.
You are going to have to put forth at least a minimal amount of time and effort into growing shrooms... 
You can also just re-use the tote you have them in now...
Just take the cakes & perlite out and drill your 1/4" holes.
It won't hurt them to take them out for that short of time.
Just re-wet the perlite and give the cakes a good misting and fan when you put them back in the FC... 
One of the ways it used to be done is fruiting invitro (right in the same jars)...
There have been many different attempts to design FC's that work well.
It just happens to be that the SGFC is the best way to fruit cakes.
A martha, or small portable greenhouse is another way people fruit cakes, trays, and other types of bulk grows.
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